trolls do have something right ( I am rambling here)

[thesearch]

The Trolls are really correct about something and that is how they can delude themselves. They set out to and accomplish coming to the wrong conclusions by extending the truth to altered assumptions about reality that are gross exaggerations as it relates to most because of their own mental illness.

For example here is a typical troll claim: You go to Russia/Ukraine etc to find a wife that is of a caliber that you can not get here in the USA. They say that the reason this is the case is because everyone here can not compete with other men for the woman of your choice and so we have to go to the FSU to get the girl we have not caught here.  

Duh, well dang, I hope this is true or you might as well color me stupid. What would be the reason for spending all the money required, all the hassle etc. only to come home with what is exactly right here in our own back yard and easily obtainable? Remember the analogy that Claire gave that people do not go to a grocery store a long ways a way when there is one in your neighborhood for no reason (assuming they both offer what you want at the same price).

Now, here is where their assumption goes wrong. Claire would then explain what this reason is by first choosing to ignore that fact that there are men who simply take a look at the majority of women in their own back yard and then take a look at the women in the FSU and say "My things look nice over there, I think I will take a look see". Some women will perceive this as a big slap in the face. Mainly man haters will look for anything to validate themselves and their distorted perceptions and their desire to express this in the form of criticizing men in general. The distorted concept of men who have to buy their mail order brides is too good to pass up for these trolls.

Of course there are a lot of nice women in the USA. It is not about that. Some guys just want nice along with slender, a bit younger, and more attractive all in one package let alone the perception that many FSU women have more old world values that used to be prevalent in the USA. It is a simple fact that the number of women who fit all of these descriptions is decreasing in the USA. The older you get, more women as compared to their male counterparts have difficulty staying in physical shape so, that category only gets worse with time. So, if you are not finding what you want in the USA or wherever you live then it is a fact you have not been successul in competing and thus they are right. But one must keep in mind that some men's standards are higher than others and if you want a woman that has a fair share of all the right stuff that one seeks in a mate, well you find that you and many others have the same idea. Sure bet you will be among many seeking that ladies attention so, most are going to fail to compete for that one lady's serious attention. Now the troll wants you to lower your standards.  

So, to feed the desire to criticize men it would be counter productive to their agenda to see anything that does not serve their purpose. So, we all have to be lusers as Claire would say. Trolls are unhappy or damaged people who feel out of control with their destiny and they resent plain and simple someone who is attempting to take control of theirs.

What they do not realize is that their posting makes a mockery of themselves. The most amazing part of this is that they actually can not see this which reflects how sick most of them really are.

How could any of us be like Claire and thus be of a troll mentality? - Simple - say that all AW are fat, controlling, only interested in money and have no class.

But some people have the fisherman mentality - i.e. go fishing where the most fish are. Hey it works. Anyone who has compared the Internet ads of the women from the USA as compared to the FSU knows they (the FSU) must have schools of nice fish waiting for a sincere man to net one. Looking at ads of FSU women is like nothing but choices choices choices whereas looking at the ads of AW you realize that you are going to have to look a lot longer and harder. Yes if you are persistent you very well might find what you want but then again that fisherman mentality gets one to thinking.

And if you are like many and just can not get out to meet women good or bad, the Internet is a very simple inexpensive introduction tool. I got introduced to this by accident. I accidently did not put a distance restriction on my search and bingo up came these gorgeous FSU women. If I saw an ad of a woman that I was attracted to, most of the time when I would pull up her profile she was from the FSU. Now at first I said no way am I going to do this but, photo after photo of the same thing happening got me to re-thinking it all.

I have been there, seem them, no illusion

[WilliamMGi]

... in response to trolls do have something right  ( I am r..., posted by thesearch on Nov 28, 2001

You guys are arguing with some troll who isn't even posting here?

[Bob S.]

... in response to Let's see if I understand this, posted by WilliamMGi on Nov 30, 2001

Did I miss something?  Did some troll pop up, incite the board, get banned, and all her posts get deleted from after the time I logged off in the afternoon till I logged back on in the morning?  I see a swarm of buzzing hornets but I don't see the stick that whacked their nest.

[BubbaGump]

... in response to I was kinda wondering that myself..., posted by Bob S. on Nov 30, 2001

It can backfire to bring up trolls because I noticed it's like inviting them back.  They read it and return with another new identity but the same message.

[thesearch]

... in response to I was kinda wondering that myself..., posted by Bob S. on Nov 30, 2001

I was just thinking about the mentality of trolls and decided what the heck - maybe the best time to talk about them is when they are not here - for a change

[Scaught]

... in response to trolls do have something right  ( I am r..., posted by thesearch on Nov 28, 2001

and must "settle" for a BMW? AW-- what vanity!!! I just did a count-- I have dated seven ladies over the past five years (and never was a two-timer). My FSU fiancee is head and shoulders above these immature, comparatively classless AW I chose not to settle for (but really, no hard feelings). I suspect I am pretty typical in taste and experience of the guys who are interested in East European women.

Fact: The typical American woman simply cannot complete with the typical Eastern European lady. (1) Your own two eyes, (2) a tape measure and (3) a three-minute conversation will prove this to be true time and time again. It is not more complicated than that, although people will try to obfuscate the issue. It is simply a preference issue for the vast majority of us. Don't fall into the trap of being made to feel guilty and that you have to plumb the depths of your soul to justify why you prefer the tasty and nutritious name brand, more expensive "V-8" juice over the inferior generic supermarket knock-off concoction that leaves a lingering bad taste in your mouth.

One foundation of American culture is strong competition. In TV commercials that reach the masses you see the messages: "Just do it" (I take this to mean to "follow your deepest dreams and test your limits")-- "Go for it"-- "Be all you can be." We don't want to settle for second best and there is no reason why we should unless we lose out in competition for the best. The Claires of the world say we go where there is no competition. What an insult against all FSU men! And in the internet age, the competition we are talking about is no less than GLOBAL! The situation is the polar opposite of Claire's twisted view.

Like among law schools, there are first-tier, second-tier and third-tier schools, AW are mostly 2nd tier at best in general (I know I am being generous), and the typical FSU ladies are first-tier. They don't come any better on planet Earth these days. That's why tens of thousands of them MOST TRAGICALLY are lured out of the FSU and basically sold as slaves.

When you try to get into law school, you choose what tier you want to compete in. You can apply to Harvard or, quite conversely, to El Crappola School of Law. What a joke it is for the flea-brained Claires of the world to say we are losers because we choose to compete in the top tier and not settle for low-tier, beat up Fords running on empty like her. Yes, Claire, let's turn the world upside-- you'd be on top, then!

With the internet, we are no longer the captive audience of the AW. Men from Earth's currently ruling superpower (and allies)-- those with the greatest resources and self-actualization compete for the top females on the planet. The spawning grounds are getting worse and worse for the AW beasts as they can no longer compete for the best AM, and they are completely off my radar screen.

Occam's Razor... slice.. slice...

[thesearch]

... in response to Claire: Am I a loser because I don't dri..., posted by Scaught on Nov 30, 2001

asd

[KenC]

... in response to Claire: Am I a loser because I don't dri..., posted by Scaught on Nov 30, 2001

Scaught,
The kick I get out of trolls is that they have azz backwards on the self esteem of the guys going looking for FSU women.  Although there ARE guys that just want a woman (any woman), there are also a group that are searching for the BEST woman they can find ANYWHERE.  This second group's self esteem will not allow them to "settle" for the BS that they find here in America.  They feel that they are "entitled" to better than can be found here.  To attack a group of guys that have this kind of confidence is, well, just plain stupid.  I also feel that the difference between the two groups I mention is the cause for a lot of friction on this board.
KenC

[LP]

... in response to self esteem issue, posted by KenC on Nov 30, 2001

....the issue is what the split is. Honestly, which group do you believe is the majority, both on the board and in total?

Do you feel using the board as a microcosm one can infer the total?

[KenC]

... in response to Quite correct Ken, but......, posted by LP on Nov 30, 2001

Search,
This board is probably way out of whack with the overall averages in favor of the more confident type guys.  I am not the one to have a valid opinion on this though.  Someone like Jack would be a better judge of the numbers than I.  My guess would be that the "confident" guys would not be in the majority of the overall split.  But that is just a guess.
KenC

[LP]

... in response to good points, posted by KenC on Nov 30, 2001

....You gotta be kidding me.

While those *not* here make them a complete unknown, many here offer (through actions, thoughts, expression, ect) at least *some* insight into who they are, what they think about and how they approach this endeavor.

It doesn't take an experienced shrink to see how wrong you are. They will never admit it, but the vast majority here fall into the latter group, as I feel does the entire total of those involved. All but a few of the men I've personally met who are involved in this are classic examples of individuals unable to deal with normal past relationships or admit to their part in the failures.

I'm not saying all, but come on, it's as plain as the nose on your face that the majority have some serious sh!t goin on upstairs about women in general and their relationship history in particular. You gotta be blind (or a diplomat) to state the majority here are stable, confident extroverts with other choices.  

Not a popular opinion, to be sure, but accurate to anyone who has even a basic grasp of human behavior. They would do well to be honest with themselves first, before they try the "quick and dirty" R/W solution.
I also find the cult-like thought processes exhibited by many simply fascinating. Amazing how easily they get swept up without any real research, how quickly they surrender control in making one of the most important decisions of a lifetime.

I'm speaking in generalities only, not to insult any individual, but geez, come on. I'm not even saying it's a bad thing, they can do as they see fit. I'm just wondering how you could have possibly come to your conclusion. "Outta whack in favor of the confident" indeed. Yikes!

Btw, it was I who asked the question, not "search" to whom you responded. lol...No wonder I'm "cranky".

[KenC]

... in response to Yikes...., posted by LP on Nov 30, 2001

LP,
Sorry for not giving you the credit you deserve for the previous post. I still think there is a great % of confident guys here on this board than there are in the whole process.  As I said, Jack would be a much better judge of this question because of the number of clients he has come in contact with over the years.  All I can gage my opinion on is the guys I met at the agency while I was in Russia and the few I met after.  With that in mind, I would estimate 80% of them had "relationship inadequacies" of one form or another.  Look how many regulars here know what they want and don't want.  It isn't a matter of finding ANY woman but THE woman.  We can start with you, LP, your twin brother Yoe, Mark from TX, Mark from Boston, Mark from Ohio, Oatmeal, DR, Search, JohnCC, Kenman, Dan, and many more that I cannot think of right now.
KenC
ps (besides I prefer to be diplomatic not blind)

[LP]

... in response to Re: Yikes...., posted by KenC on Nov 30, 2001

...Ok Ken, I'll take credit for the first post, but I'm not so sure I want credit for that last one.

Btw, they say we admire in others the same traits we see in ourselves. Maybe so, but I also prefer to admire the ones I wish I had, and your diplomacy is one of them.

[LP]

... in response to Re: Yikes...., posted by KenC on Nov 30, 2001

...I could have softened that and still got the message across. In hindsite it didn't come out the way I intended. lol..Like I said, I'm working on it.

First, I was not refering to only the current crop of posters, that would be to few a sample. If one studies the board, including the archives (as I have done in an effort to extract information about the process), a certain pattern of opinions and behaviors appear. This repeats enough so that, considering the entire board from day one, a majority emerges.

That's the only point I was trying to make, and based on that along with others I've met, I stand by my opinion that well over 50% are are a tad off balance from some internal issues they're dealing with.
Not to say there is anything wrong about that. After all, we all have to deal with it at times, but many engaged in this seem to have crossed the line in haste. There are more options available than the R/W solution.

I admire anyone who takes the initiative to improve their lot, but I see many who become almost obsessed with this one avenue. Their on a mission, plain and simple, and can't wait to get it over with. I'm only pointing out that a little self evaluation, on occasion, is good for one's clarity.

Confidence to engage in this endeavor isn't what I meant, it clearly takes commitment and resources. I was more thinking about the confidence to move past, well, the past in many cases.

I know what I want and, frankly, I'm beginning to see it maybe isn't available in the FSU. But I'm not sure yet so I'll mosey on until I am. I started this only as a curious investigation and it continues as such. Gotta admit there's something there, wish I could put my finger on it but I can't.

Anyway, didn't mean to come across quite so harsh.

[DE]

... in response to Re: Yikes...., posted by KenC on Nov 30, 2001

while is certainly a part of one's character, it doesn't encompass the whole character.  You can have a room full of men that are all very confident individuals, and while there may be some other traits that are similiar or prevalent, there will still be numerous different personalities and characters, some which you may associate or identify with and others that you won't.  And of course while some may be very confident of themselves and women and relationships, others will have higher self confidence in areas other than relationships.  Therefore, I tend to agree with Ken, that yes, a majority of the men on this board are by nature self confident, however, the personalities vary as well as the degree, knowldge, experience and growth in relationships with the opposite sex.

Relationship inadequacies, well let's face it.  I'm willing to bet 100% of us have failed in some relationship at sometime and that some of those failures are our own fault (at least I can speak for myself:)).  Therefore, I would say that yes, everyone here has some relationship inadequacies.  It then becomes to what degree.  No relationship, RW or otherwise will resolve relationship inadequacies.  That can only come from as was pointed out earlier, understanding where you have failed, accepting that you were either the cause or at least 50% of the cause and finally, taking corrective action to change the behavior or cause.

There is a partner, soul mate, finacee, wife, yada, yada, yada, for everyone, however one has to realize that it just may not be this one (currently with, including RWs).  Many falsely believe that RWs are the answer.  They cannot solve your problems and will only add to them due to the numerous other difficulties that they bring to a relationship.  Read DSD's post if you don't believe this!  If anyone is seeking these ladies for their looks, or because it just seems easier, because they want someone younger, or because they continue to fail with AWs then it will likely fail with RWs.  Its no different than here in America, you must find someone where you mutually compliment each other's personality, that is exactly what each of you are seeking, both can deal with adversities in a relationship on a contructive and adult level and then the fact that they are RW will then and only then compliment the relationship.

Now I'm of the opinion, that everyone is entitled to seek an RW.  In fact, I wish every single man in America would pursue this.  These ladies aren't stupid.  Heck, if they wind up with someone that it isn't working out with because of his "relationship inadequacies", they'll be gone!  Hopefully though, they'll stay here in America!  Hopefully, the man will learn from this experience that no women, regardless of where she is from will tolerate his failure to identify and correct his "relationship inadequacies".  In the meantime, I believe more RWs is what the AWs need to correct some of their "relationship inadequacies" especially in the area of how some of them seem to believe, we are here soley to serve their needs (and I don't mean sexually).

But overall, I think most men on this board do have a high level of confidence.  It takes that to even pursue a women half way around the world.

JMTCW.