Ukraine train schedule found

[jj]

... in response to Ukraine train schedule found, posted by wsbill on Nov 26, 2001

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[Dan]

... in response to Good information but the prices are infl..., posted by jj on Nov 26, 2001

jj,

Your response to wsbill's post would have more credibility if you offered something, anything, substantive to support your claim. To simply say; "the prices are inflated" really doesn't help anybody, now does it? If you have information to substantiate your claim, include it. If you don't have that information, then what value does your post add - except to add to the ambient noise level?

You know - it strikes me that someone else used these same sorts of posting tactics on this and another board. Hmmmmm . . . I wonder who (MAx) that may (MAx) have been (MAx). Oh well, I am sure it will come to me later.

- Dan

[jj]

... in response to Credibility . . ., posted by Dan on Nov 26, 2001

I recently caught a train from Kiev to Odesa..  cost if I recall was less then 60 UAH  This site lists the cost at 45 USD...  You work it out...

[jj]

... in response to Facts,,,, posted by jj on Nov 26, 2001

Copyof post by Emil on Brama.com

I have only the price for a one-way ticket - a return ticket costs twice as much as a one-way ticket.

The prices are only valid for train ticket bought at a Ukrainian railway station.

You can find the train timetables at http://bahn.hafas.de/english.html,
and http://www.poezda.net/train.htm.

[Dan]

... in response to Facts,,,, posted by jj on Nov 26, 2001

You offer a shred of info - with no consideration of the many variables. Cattle car class cost a lot less than Premium service - which did you take and which is posted on the site???

Keep trying MAx (oops, I mean jj), you are in the right direction.

- Dan

[jj]

... in response to What Class of Service?? Need More Inform..., posted by Dan on Nov 26, 2001

The site lists
1st Class at 59USD (300UAH)
2bd Class at 42USD (223UAH)This is about four times the actual cost..  

[Dan]

... in response to Both Classes are inflated...  . . ., posted by jj on Nov 26, 2001

As follows:

Obschy (sitting car)
Platskartny ("rolling dorm")
Kupe (4-berth compartment) - aka 2nd Class
SV (2-berth compartment) - aka 1st Class

And that does not include the international trains nor the special trains such as the Grand Hotel special wagon. Are you sure you actually took a train in Ukraine???

- Dan

[jj]

... in response to "Both Classes" ?!? There Are A..., posted by Dan on Nov 26, 2001

It only listed two ./...  and this is what we are talking about...  ...  comparison between what was lited on this iste and the real cost...   Do you support teh prices listed pomn this site Yes or No...

[Dan]

... in response to If you read rge site in question...., posted by jj on Nov 26, 2001

I know about the classes of service of train travel in Ukraine from first-hand experience.

It is simply surprising to me that you would only reference 2 classes of service when, if you know much about Ukrainian train travel, you'd know there are 4.

More to the point, you accuse this one website of inflating their prices. It may be so - but where is your evidence? Do you really expect anyone to believe your report on the simple strength of your claiming it is so??? If you intend to supply evidence, then you need to compare apples to apples, hence, the need to be specific about which class of service you are referring. Is this getting too complex for you MAx? I recall you having serious trouble following simple logic paths in the past - so maybe it is plaguing you once again??

- Dan

[jj]

... in response to I've Visited The Sites - AND - What's Mo..., posted by Dan on Nov 26, 2001

If you do then you will notive that they only make reference to two classes..  Do you dispute the FACT that the prices listed on this site are inflated...  How much did you pay for your trips and how did they compare to those listed on this site...  Are you associated with this site or something??

[Dan]

... in response to Again read the site..., posted by jj on Nov 27, 2001

Or does that FACT escape you?!? Burden for facts to suport the accusation are not on me MAxie - they are on YOU!!

We've had this dance before MAxie - with your endless tactics of deflection and obfuscation. It did not work then - and it will not work now.

- Dan

[jj]

... in response to I Wasn't The One Making The Accusation -..., posted by Dan on Nov 27, 2001

So if you are disputing what is being said then you supply what FACTS you rely on..  FACT the amount displayed on this site is not the price charged..  I guess you know that ...  ask anyone here how much they paid for a trip from Fiev to Lvov and compare...  m

[Dan]

... in response to You are the one that seeks to debunk the..., posted by jj on Nov 27, 2001

Is whatever shred of credibility you had remaining. You've lost it MAxie - and it wasn't even me that did it to you. You managed that all on your own.

- Dan

[jj]

... in response to The ONLY Thing Being Debunked Here . . ., posted by Dan on Nov 27, 2001

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[ron]

... in response to And you still failed to comment on the l..., posted by jj on Nov 27, 2001

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