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BarryM
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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Oh please....., posted by LP on Oct 24, 2001

You fail to see the things that are truly important. The fact that you're still breathing is one of them.

Haven't you had a decent life ? Haven't you had a life without hunger or poverty ? Don't you have a home ? Don't you have a job and a means of employment ? Don't you have good health ?

Why do you burdon yourself with the greed and envy of others ? By doing so, don't you become one of them ? You are so harsh in your attacks and criticism others you fail to realize your own faults.

You should be rejoicing and celebrating your prosperous life, not blaming the world because you don't get your way.

Also, America is the most prosperous nation on Earth in part because it's also the most generous.

All of us face the prospect of death. It's inevitable. Now that we are at war, it's possible that some of us could fall victims of our enemy.

I cherish my life. I have had a good life so far. I don't blame the world for my shortcomings, I blame myself. God has blessed my with a good life. For that I'm truly grateful.

-blm

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LP
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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to No wonder you're so unhappy and cynical, posted by BarryM on Oct 24, 2001

...lol, Yeah OK, just a little.

Unhappy? Hardly. Got a good job, lotsa dough, free travel,
nice car, Harley, my own airplane, and a sweet young thing to keep me warm. (And she's not 5000 miles away.) Guess I have it all, except house payments, car payments or credit card bills. In fact, payments of any kind. Don't have any of those, darn it.

As I've said before, I've no malice in my posts and never intend to be "vicious". My problem is an honest nature that manifests itself as a lack of tact. I'm working on it, so don't take it personal.

I wasn't refering to the current state of affairs, we've been getting screwed for years by *all* of them. I have no affiliation with any of them. I'll admit, George W *is* an uneducated buffoon, but at least this renders him relatively harmless. I could care less about any of them.

....Haven't you had a decent life ? Haven't you had a life without hunger or poverty ? Don't you have a home ? Don't you have a job and a means of employment ? Don't you have good health ?....

Yes, to all of the above. Guess who is responsible for it all? Not God, nor the Government (in fact, it was a hindrance), but *me*. It has always been me and always will be. What's the problem, you don't have that same control?

Maybe you should stop giving some of it away. In fact, if you had as much faith in yourself as you do your God, you probally wouldn't be here at all.

....You should be rejoicing and celebrating your prosperous life, not blaming the world because you don't get your way...

Rejoicing? Yeah OK. Thats one word for it, but not the one I'd use. I don't blame anyone for me not getting my "way", but thats not a typical senario. I do what it takes to make things happen *without* hurting anyone. Can't say the same for the IRA, Palestinians, Jews, Muslims, abortion activists, tree huggers, etc.

Religion is the source for most of the world's misery, past, present and future. All of you think your way is God's only way and won't budge a twit on it. Give me a break. I'm not an Uzi toting, Islamic hating fanatic who's beliefs and political preesures are half the reason we're in this mess in the first place.

Like WmGo, I agree completely that the principles of the Constitution are worth dying for, all the more reason to focus on it's *true* enemy. You make a great case for the "We The Sheeple" point of view.

I'm not against the current action. After all, we were attacked. I was simply pointing out the gu'ment made it easy for them. Funny, I don't see anyone in the Intel or FBI community stepping down or even admiting any wrong doing in the face of such a debacle. Hey, don't preach to me. I've got people dead in this, and the blame is far from being totally 'ole Bin's fault. Forget it, I see the point of my original post was lost on you.

DE can wave his flag. He's certainly not alone in his delusion. (lol...I didn't press for stronger cockpit doors and that somehow makes *me* responsible. About what I'd expect from a private holder.) I'm far from unpatriotic, on the contrary, I just think patriotism needs to stand for something more than supporting a bunch of fools and criminals.

A recent poll showed the people's faith that the government can always be trusted to do the "right thing" has risen 70% in the last year. Like they did at Ruby Ridge, where they gunned down a woman and her child for no reason whatsoever. Like they did at Waco, where they fabricated lies to cover their gross misconduct. (Say, I bet you also didn't recognize that "church" or "religion" either)

Of course, like I said before, the civilians involved in these incidents were just "nut cases", right? Just an isolated few, the rest of us are happy as clams. If all that doesn't worry you, nothing will.

It's OK. You believe what ya want. Me too. I guess that's one thing they haven't tried to take away from us....Yet.


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yoe
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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Cynical?...., posted by LP on Oct 25, 2001

Lp LP lppppppppppppppp
come to your Papa.............I know you are reaching out. I am here for son.
Love Daddy Joe
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WmGo
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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Oh please....., posted by LP on Oct 24, 2001

Speak for yourself LP!

Take a look at the map of the county by county vote in the November 2000 election. Ninety percent of the counties voted for Bush  - in those places there *is* a way of life worth dying for. And certainly, the United States Constitution and the principles upon which it stands *are* worth dying for.

In a way LP I think I understand your thoughts. But they are misplaced. I have been a major critic of American foreign policy since my teenage years. And as a conservative libertarian I abhor big government. But the simple fact of the matter is that there is absolutely nothing America has ever done or failed to do that justified the terror attack of September 11. This fight, which unfortunately *is* war, represents the classic historical clash of cultures, peoples and religions that are totally different from one another. The Arab and Islamic world correctly criticizes the West for its moral debauchery (as you have seen me do here many times)and preoccupation with materialism. But that is exactly where they are hypocritical. In those lands people treat people like they are somehow less than human. Their leaders are despots without humanity. They have no real freedom as we know it in the West, and as we all know woman are treated like chattel property, while the rich oppress the poor. In terms of morality, even with its moral decline the past four decades America is *still* the most moral country on Earth - and that has ever existed. So the Arab and Islamic countries are completely hypocritical when they criticize the moral environment of America. Heck, they are not even familiar with what most of us are really like.

Everyone wants our money and help, demands it, takes it and then never reciprocates. They only harbor resentment. Why? It is called jealousy. They are jealous for what we have materially. They despise freedom. And they are jealous of our might and power.

Because they have corrupt governments (which they seem to like) and blaspheme the Creator and seek to do evil against His people they suffer with poverty, disease, war, famine and discontent. That is *their* fault, not ours.

They should count their blessings that America still is the most moral nation on Earth; if we weren't we would incinerate them from Casablanca to Islamabad. We have that kind of power.

Best regards.

WmGo

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DE
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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Oh please....., posted by LP on Oct 24, 2001

You've been flying a little to high in an under pressurized cockpit.  You say the government is to blame for not watching close enough our borders, than you say it wouldn't suprise you that the Antrax issue may be a result of someone in America like Tim McVeigh (I take that to mean Antrax spread by Americans).  If that's the case, it really wouldn't matter how much they wacthed our borders, would it?  In fact, the terrorists could have just hijacked international planes heading for America and slammed them into the buildings.  London to LA would still have had enough fuel on board to do a lot of damage by the time it hit the east coast.  In addition, there are plenty of flights from Canada.  So your blame of the government is totally inrresponsible since if there is a desire to attack us, they will find a way!!  Like many other Americans, you believe its always someone else's fault and of course blaming the government is easy.  What were you doing to advocate stronger cockpit security doors prior to these attacks??  Maybe we should blame pilots for their failure to refuse to fly without tighter airplane and airport security measures.  And yes LP, that includes YOU!  So, go suck some O2 and quit blaming others for what you should share as part of the problem!  And quite frankly, waving a flag is a heck of a lot better than your rhetoric!
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Ryan
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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: moving to ukraine/biological warfare, posted by Scaught on Oct 23, 2001

I feel this type of answer is silly to say the least.  Your chances on getting hit by biological warfare are slim compared to the many issues involved in moving to the Ukraine.  Why not talk about the poor health system, the corruption at all levels that runs so deep.  The simple issue of pollution and poor living conditions...  I mean come on they shut your water off in Lugansk at 11:00 at night and your lucky to get hot water.  With all the little issues that make life so hard in the Ukraine and here we have someone whom want to run from the greatest country in the world because someone coward threatens his life.   Stand up boy and be a man. Shocked)    
My one cent…
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JohnG
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: moving to ukraine/biological warfare, posted by Scaught on Oct 23, 2001

My fiancee tells me there are cases of anthrax in Russia in her town too. I have not seen this published anywhere, and I suspect the Russian government will be quiet about these things as usual.

I don't think there is anywhere on the planet where you will be safe. We have a rough ride ahead of us, because we were caught sleeping.

All we can do is stay alert, and pray.

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Oatmeal
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« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to moving to ukraine, posted by timm on Oct 23, 2001

I know that he is working in Kiev area for the past year or so.  I think maybe he can help you with a few details but probably won't be able to help you out on every issue.  I am sure he would be happy to help.
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Jimmy
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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Contact "Jimmy" from this boar..., posted by Oatmeal on Oct 23, 2001

Yes, I am still here in Ukraine.  I am just as worried about the state of affairs as most of you.  I have thought about staying here and not returning home but I have young childen living in the US and would want to be with them during any frightening times.  So, I am working towards going back home sometime early next year.  I need to figure out how to get Elena home with me.  The K-1 visa seems attractive but I need advice.  Marry her here or US?  Which is a better way?

I hope you are all OK and my heart and prayers go out to you.  If you need any help or advise then please contact me.  Life is not easy here and it will be difficult to transition here without help.  But I am here to do what I can.  Let me know.

Best Regards,

Jimmy
Ukraine

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