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Author Topic: Pleading for a 'stan report (Uzbekistan)  (Read 4115 times)
Colonialjd
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« on: October 17, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

Hello Gentlemen,

I hang out on the Latin Page, but recent events have turned my attention to the FSU republic of Uzbekistan.  For all of my live the 'stan Nations (Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, and Kazakstan)have been a mystery to me.  Most of my knowledge of foreign countries comes from immigrants to the United States and I don't think we have many immigrants from any of the FSU 'stan nations.  

Uzbekistan and the USA inked a military partnership and we have 1000 troops on the ground in Khanabad, Uzbekistan.  Will they be bringing home Uzbek brides.  Are the females thre receptive to Americans/Westerners.  How westernized are they?  I understand they they are mostly moslems and their economy stinks to high heaven.  Those of you who are old FSU hands please fill me in, I would love to hear about the culture, women, food, politics, economy of this place.  I am motivated into becoming a 'stan expert.

Kind regards,

Jim

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anon
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Pleading for a 'stan report (Uzbekistan), posted by Colonialjd on Oct 17, 2001

I've been to Uzbekistan twice this past year, and I have a fiancee there who is Russian.  I think it is a beautiful country, but everyone has their own tastes.  It is very hot in the summer.  Tashkent is the most modern city in the country.  They are amazingly tuned into american culture.  You can hear Britney Spears being played in the bazaars (oops, I did it again).  My fiancee has probably seen every American movie that I have seen.  (You can buy movie videos at the bazaars.)  Many people dress very american, and others dress conservatively.  A lot of the women in the country are very attractive and they wear figure-flattering dresses.  The people there seem very friendly to americans.  But some men from Uzbek might resent the fact that you are there to be with one of "their" women.  (I never had any bad experiences there, and I never felt any danger.  But then again, I wasn't alone -- I was with my fiancee.  You might face more problems by yourself.)  I didn't hang out at any nightclubs; they didn't look all that great from the outside.  

I suspect a lot fewer people are going to travel to Uzbekistan now, given it's nearness to Afganistan.  I was very happy in that country.

Hope that helps.

P.S.  My fiancee is the best woman ever.

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William
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Pleading for a 'stan report (Uzbekistan), posted by Colonialjd on Oct 17, 2001

A few of the russian sites have women from the 'stan' countries. From the larger cities, I'm sure.
These seem to be russian women in those countries.
Other posters are correct, military personnel will, no doubt, be restricted to base, and will not
be mingling with the locals at all.
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Vox
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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Pleading for a 'stan report (Uzbekistan), posted by Colonialjd on Oct 17, 2001

It depends of what kind of women you are talking about, the Uzbek or Russian, obviously two different people. The Uzbeks are about 88% and the Russians live only in the large cities, especially in Tashkent. It's a special situation and requires more research on your part than simply reading some articles here. (I may post a comprehensive info later about it since at this point it's in my attention and my focus.) After all my research this city may be the best source of what some here are looking for, it certainly is for me at this point, it's like going farther back in time even compared with "European" Russia and Ukraine in terms of well-kept family values and integrity, while at the same time some ladies here are extremely well educated as there is a very rich Russian culture hub and community, closely-knit. A veritable oasis. Here one can find real gems. Unexplored teritory in many ways. A more complex and difficult world to understand. More dangerous in some ways. The price is higher though, distance, knowledge of Russian very important. The ladies are much sweeter, nicer and much more willing to get out. It's a different mindset and culture, totally different in some ways from Moscow or St. Peter, more laid-back, very much influenced and transformed by the Far-Eastern mentality and life. It's like comparing New York to ... I wanted to say Phoenix, Az, but it's not a good parallel, one can't find a good comparison, Tashkent is too different.
Don't expect the US military to come home with women from the place. They are totally isolated from each other, all military instalations are incredibly guarded in utmost secret, the present security is at the level KGB was way back. In some ways it's almost like being during the cold war, yet so different. And not as bad as it seems.
Russians have absolutely equal rights to the Uzbeks and a lot of freedom, yet it's still a Muslim state, however more tolerant.
But still not much explored but worth it. Perhaps one of the best and most well kept treasure for some.


In yesterday's New York Post there is this interesting article:
(it's at: http://www.nypost.com/seven/10152001/news/worldnews/31810.htm)

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UZBEKS AIDED CIA AFTER '98 BOMBINGS

Post Wire Services

October 15, 2001 -- The CIA secretly teamed up with the former Soviet republic of Uzbekistan more than two years ago to try to undermine the Taliban and terror thug Osama bin Laden, it was reported yesterday.
The vital covert alliance began after the terror attacks on the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 - when President Bill Clinton secretly authorized the CIA to try to thwart bin Laden further, The Washington Post said.

Last year's attack on the USS Cole in Yemen further strengthened the spy pact, the paper said.

"Our cooperation began long before the events of Sept. 11," acknowledged Rustam Jumaev, spokesman for Uzbek President Islam Karimov.

The significant joint military and intelligence efforts began "two or three years" ago, he said.

U.S. Special Forces began working more brazenly with the Uzbek military on training missions more than a year ago.

The newly uncovered revelations help explain what has been a surprisingly cozy relationship between the United States and Uzbekistan since the Sept. 11 attacks.

Most recently, under a joint agreement between the countries publicly announced Friday, U.S. troops will be allowed to operate from an Uzbek air base while America helps protect the nation's northern border with Afghanistan.

That follows the placement of more than 1,000 U.S. troops from the New York-based 10th Mountain Division in Uzbekistan - with the promise of at least 1,000 more to come.

Uzbekistan is about the size of California and shares an 85-mile border with Afghanistan, making it perfect as a launching pad for anti-Taliban activities by the United States.

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Quasimoto
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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Pleading for a 'stan report (Uzbekistan), posted by Colonialjd on Oct 17, 2001

I only know a little, and it is statistical. So here goes:

It is one of the poorer FSU countries at $426 per captita GDP (about half of Ukraine, and 1/8 of Russia's economy)

It is composed of:
  80.0% Uzbek peoples
   5.5% Russian
   1.5% Tartar (I included them because some of the ladies
        are attractive.

It is 88% Moslem
Literacy is 99% or in other words much better than the US as are all FSU countries. It is extremely polluted with agrichemicals and salts.

Steve

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BubbaGump
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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Pleading for a 'stan report (Uzbekistan), posted by Colonialjd on Oct 17, 2001

It's from the recent archives.  It has pictures from the countries that look interesting.  Picture yourself heaved from the Tower of Death by and angry mob (or maybe MOB).

http://www.wlc.com/oxus/centasia.htm

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