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Author Topic: The cost of not learning Spanish/wrong agency  (Read 12469 times)
Heat
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« on: June 29, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

There has been an ongoing discussion of what it costs to meet and marry a Latina.  Many folks here have stated that an agency can give you the most cost effect way of meeting a future wife.  The cite the high cost of extended stays and the long and arduous task of learning the Spanish language.  They cite their commitments to their jobs, family and even their love of NFL football as negating factor in their ability and desire to move to a foreign country and search for their wife.  

Some people have even stated that it is not important whatsoever to learn her language.  With almost an elitism attitude the say that she will be living in America and speaking English.  

I understand commitments and family.  I understand that a job is important thing to today’s world where there are mortgages and car payments.  I understand the difficulty of learning a foreign language.

However I would like to offer you the following theory.

Using the wrong agency, not learning Spanish and or meeting the wrong women can lead you to financial and emotional ruin.

This can be the most financially important decision you will ever make in your life.  Not to mention the most emotionally significant.

                       First let’s examine the importance of learning Spanish.

If you expect to understand the hopes dreams and desires of a women you must be able to communicate with them.  You must be able to joke and play with her.  As important as sex is to a man, communication is to a women.  

The need it like we need sex.  If they do not get it they will find someone to give it to them.
So if you plan on waiting till she learns English to be able understand her hopes, desires and dreams.
You might have to wait several years.   This time can be devastating to them.

This can lead to depression, anxiety and loneness that can have a damaging affect on your relationship.  She will go through a hard process of culture shock when she comes to the U.S.  And she will need someone to express herself to.  Someone to listen to her fears and wants.

If she can not talk to you will be viewed as uncaring and selfish.  An outsider who is using her for sex.
This can lead to infidelity and or many other problems.  This is not always the case but it often happens

This is why many of them turn to food to fill the gap of loneliness and isolation.  This is why they tend to gain weight when they arrive.  If they can not fill their emotional needs they will turn to something to try and dull the pain of separation of family and friends. Food can be one of them.

As they gain weight they become more depressed.  This is a cycle where you become the person who will pay the price.  As you begin to see the weight gain you will mention it to them and they will resent you for it.  In short you will be viewed as the cause of it.  And you will pay in less sex and less happiness.

This is just one of the many ways they can manifest their unhappiness.  Drugs, alcohol and infidelity can also be a dynamic.  If you can communicate with them you will lessen greatly the chance of this happening.
And thus increases your chance of success.

And if you want to left out of every family gathering, holiday and social event then do not learn
Spanish.  Because you will be ignored in short order.  You will be viewed as an outsider who is a representative of all the other nasty Gringo who have made them feel unwelcome in the U.S.
This is just human nature.  It may not be right but it’s true.

But if you want to be viewed as king then learn to speak her language.  You will be treated like royalty.
You will be considered as a wise man who cares about her and her family.  And you will never be left out.
You will be the one everyone turns to for advice and the one who everyone wants to help.
When the house needs painting or you need an extra hand they will be there for you.
And you will be able to defend her from her family members who want to take advantage of her.

You will be a king.  

And the sex  and love will be something of pleasure.  Not duty. This is the most important thing to us in many ways.

                                 

                           Using other methods/learning Spanish and moving to her country.

If you learn Spanish this opens up letter writing and other methods that are not open to the non speaker.

Personally I would move to the country of choice and live there.  Why?  Because this is a VERY SMALL PRICE to pay.  When compared to the cost of DIVORCE And CHILD SUPPORT.

Plus the obvious reasons of being  able to meet girls who are not agency girls.  This is a personal decision.

The cost of a divorce is going to be half or more of your net worth.  That could be hundreds of thousands of dollars.  She might get your house, car and bank accounts as well as alimony.  This can leave you without a penny.  Destitute and lonely for life.  Paying a least a thousand dollars a month for each child that you have  together.   While her new Latino boyfriend is living in YOUR house and petting your dog.  Even with a pre nap this can happen.  The judge can throw out the pre up “in the best interest of the children.”
Whatever that means.

That is why it is so important to get to know this women.  If you think you can make a couple of week trips and meet the girl of your dreams then you must like to gamble highs stakes poker.

The cost of failure weighed against the cost of quitting your job and pulling up stakes to move there to me seems like a no brainier to me.  But then I like the odds in my favor when I make a bet.

Thus I see the cost of the changing your life as a small one compared to the failure that can occur.
Maybe you lose $50,000.00 for a years to move there and learn the language.
That makes it a small investment which I say will pay off big some day.

                                         The wrong agency

The use of an agency.  This is very important.  I ask you this question.  Would you take a car to a mechanic who can not drive?  Would you seek spiritual advise from a preacher who himself who does not believe in God?

Then why ask an agency owner what he thinks about a girl if he can not speak Spanish?  If he has not taken the time to learn the language of his host country then why trust him about his opinions? How does he know what’s up about your potential life mate?  If he has to use translators the he is at their mercy.

Translators come and go in this business and they often have their own agenda.  I have seen them outright lie so as to move you to another girls and keep making money.  I have seen them use the gringos to hook up their friends.  Often with very bad intentions.  So why trust an agency owner who can not speak Spanish?
If he is so lazy that he does not care to improve himself then what makes you think he gives a shit about YOU?

If you use an agency who has models and ringers you are asking for trouble.  This is common sense but many choose to ignore this.  If you use a agency who will tell an 80 year old man that a thirty something lady is really “In Love”  with him then you are asking for trouble.

Find an agency that has a long reputation for telling the truth.  Find one that has a track record and no ringers or models.  One where ALL the girls are available.  One where the agency know the gossip around town.  One where the owner knows who might be a hooker or a bad girl on the side.  This can save you from the wrong girl and save you from financial and emotional ruin.

If you think what I’m saying is wrong then read the archives here.   And read about the high cost of choosing the wrong women.  There are men on this board who have lost everything.  Homes, cars and vast amounts of money by marrying the a bad girl.

Many have done it more then once and still do not get it.

Many are headed for disaster as we speak.   There girls are cheating on them and they don’t know it.
They think their girl is talking to her uncle Jamie.  Well if they only spoke Spanish they would be surprised.

Remember this is gambling game and it’s not for the faint of heart.  But the reward is big.

But with all things worth having it requires much investigation, dedication and passion.

But when faced with an American girl I see it as the only alternative.

And never forget this is the WAR between the sexes  So don’t go into to battle unarmed and untrained.

Good luck gentlemen…Your going to need it

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Frank O
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to The cost of not learning Spanish/wrong a..., posted by Heat on Jun 29, 2005

I know one couple who have been together for years & get a long great. I GREATLY envied him because he would call his wife & she would answer him "que quiees mi rey?". Oh my God!! I would KILL to have a lady answer ME like that. Anyways she speaks VERY little, close to NO English. He speaks very little, close to no Spanish. how they do it?! I don't know. I guess you always have those few exceptions to the rule. Mi rey eh?! What a lucky guy.
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utopiacowboy
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to I forgot the exception to the rule, posted by Frank O on Jul 1, 2005

My wife never calls me anything other than "mi amor", "mi vida", "mi cielo", "mi querido", "mi tesoro" etc. Hell, I'm lucky I can remember my own name.
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Frank O
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to That's normal, posted by utopiacowboy on Jul 1, 2005

By the way UtopiaCowboy you mentioned about me leaving out Colombia. I'll be visiting one next month ;-)
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utopiacowboy
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to yeah but "Mi REY"!? by the way, posted by Frank O on Jul 2, 2005

Good for you! I think you'll see what we're talking about.
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Frank O
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: yeah but "Mi REY"!? by the..., posted by utopiacowboy on Jul 2, 2005

I hope it's not a train in the tunnel coming my way. NO seriously she's not a little girl like my ex. She's 29 years old, a nurse, has a 3 year old child. She once got a visa for the USA for work but didn't make the trip so she's not exactly the "typical" lady on a MOB site. I'll be seeing her next month in Bogota. VERY different from the Ukrainians. She loves my Spanish. Funny she say's I speak Spanish like a Mexican. I told her funny the MExican make fun of our Spanish because it's not "proper" Spanish. She laughed about that. I think she thought I was a gringo from my pic.
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Dan Las Vegas
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to The cost of not learning Spanish/wrong a..., posted by Heat on Jun 29, 2005

Outstanding post!!!  For me, learning spanish is a priority. My girlfriend who is from Venezuela and living in the states for five years speaks fairly good english, however, we still have misunderstandings due to language difficulties. I could not imagine how difficult it would be if she spoke little or no english and I with my poor Spanish.

Seeing the smile on her face when I speak to her in her language makes all the effort learning spanish worthwhile.  

Dan

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Frank O
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to The cost of not learning Spanish/wrong a..., posted by Heat on Jun 29, 2005

I'm writing so MUCH in Spanish now that I'm getting very good at it. I can speak it well but writing it I never had to do so this is a little different. Oh well. 4 Panamanians & 1 Colombian will do that to ya!
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Hoda
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Tell you what I'm using my Spanish!!!, posted by Frank O on Jun 30, 2005


You'll find out soon enough friend....
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Cali James
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to The cost of not learning Spanish/wrong a..., posted by Heat on Jun 29, 2005

Good Post!  As Patrick suggested, I don't think the agency is as much of a factor for success as what the person himself brings to the table.  A lot of it is just plain judgement.

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Patrick
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to The cost of not learning Spanish/wrong a..., posted by Heat on Jun 29, 2005

I think you can condense everything into probably two factors for success.  Both of them lie within the man, not the agency.

Communication skills (including Spanish)
Good judgement

If a man has those two, it won't matter what agency he chooses (or whether he uses one or not).   If a man is lacking in either, he's in trouble, and no "method" is going to ensure success.  Of course, anyone can fail in marriage.  You gotta be lucky to some extent as well.

Heat, you mention that the "reward is big."  What is that reward in your mind?

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Heat
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: The cost of not being capable, posted by Patrick on Jun 29, 2005

The reward is love, dedication and sex at a mythical level.
Unlike what we are used to from the majority of American women.  And a life long partner.  

A Latina who really loves you will stick to you like glue.

American women think of love as a business deal.

A Latina thinks of it as eternal.

Your mileage may vary of course.

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Patrick
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to The reward., posted by Heat on Jun 29, 2005

Glad you mentioned life long partner.  For some, success is more the third part of your first sentence, and temporary is okay.
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Heat
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: The reward., posted by Patrick on Jun 29, 2005

Yes but I do not live in a dream world.  People change and if my current girlfriend becomes my wife one day I will live each day ready emotional and legally to kick her ass to the curb if I absolutely have to.  Since we will have mo children this is much easier.

I'm not saying I want to but I can always go back and get another one if I have to do it.  By Speaking Spanish you have an insurance policy so to speak.

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Frank O
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2005, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: The reward., posted by Patrick on Jun 29, 2005

I notice especially from us men many emphasise the sex aspect. My soon to be ex wife was GREAT in bed. The best I've ever done however living with her was a LIVING HELL!!! I would have settled for mediocre sex if living with her would have been better. I would have preferred to still be married.
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