They change once abroad!

[Ricardo1]

They change once abroad!  I'm assuming this is partly true, or mostly so...
 
Can anyone share  an experience, whether first-hand or anecdotal....
 
here is what I ran into in an online forum....
 
"I suppose the main problem i have is that having lived in a PI area in Sydney and having work with some filipino ...I have found the women very pushy..bossy types.....they are not the warm fuzzy type, people write about on this board."
 
"I can tell you from experience all women change (Especially Asian) if they go to a Western country so judging Filipinas based on how they act on "your own turf" is not the real deal. This is coming from the perspective of a person that lived here in Asia for 10 years back in the 1990s and moved back to the US for another 10 years. Meeting the Asians in the US as opposed to meeting them in their own countries is like NIGHT and DAY..... I was married to a Thai for years, taking her to the US was the biggest mistake I made..... "
 
         
 

[Tanuki]

My wife has been here five months.  I kind of expect there will be some changes as she adapts to her new life here in the U.S.  But, as of right now, she pretty much has the same personality from when I met her over two years ago.

[robert angel]

Moving to the USA from the Philippines will change just about every Filipino to some extent, I think.
 
 
What hasn't changed in eight years here, is that essentially my wife's personality and her underlying values are the same. She's still all about her family, just like she was before we met 12 years ago. They made her who she is, then and now.
 
 
My family and hers are closer, especially when somebody's sick or otherwise needs support. Just today, she was rattling off names of family on my side, politely suggesting I call this one or that one. She not only knows all the birthdays in my immediate family, but also those of my close friends. She remembers them all and encourages me to call them on their B days. I can't remember half of them myself.
 
 
She's still sensitive about not hurting other people's feelings and will give me a subtle glance, squeeze or a little kick under the table when I'm getting a bit out of hand. She never 'calls me out' in public.
 
 
She's still very well mannered, still always clean. Still has a wonderful, often corny sense of humor. I know I need to come up with something when she says: "Make me laugh". Still loves sentimental, sappy pop music, has a sense of style fashion wise, but always wanting to look 'tasteful' being certain to not ever remotely appear tawdry. Always asking me "How does this look, Honey?" Stays in fine, healthy shape and encourages me (without nagging) to do the same.
 
 
She still wants me to look good and while she can sleep in almost two hours later than me, gets up every morning to fix my breakfast, which I take in bed. Sometimes she skips Saturdays--sometimes I make breakfast on the weekends, but she likes to eat at the table, lol. She will often set out my cleaned and ironed clothes, having asked me the weather----she always insists I check on my phone for some reason. She choses what she feels looks best clothing wise, then looks me over from our bed before I leave, for any extra shaving cream or Q tips left sticking out of my ears, sending me packing with a homemade lunch.
 
 
Obvious some things that have changed including: She drives almost everyday, including to and from work. She has worked in a few jobs, from an American public school  for about 5 years, to the headquarters of a U.S. based multinational corporation. She's experienced attending college here. She is amazed at how much most Americans have and how little most appreciate it. She's amazed at the lack of manners in old and young Americans alike. (including me sometimes, LOL)
 
 
She has managed a major corporate affiliate business here in the USA, being in a position managing, hiring and firing thirty some people, but never was the pushy, overly bossy type. She lead by example, nicely telling employees in a matter of fact way to shape up, get written up or worse as needed, and she followed through.
 
 
I don't like the way it sounds, but becoming a bit more materialistic is inevitable to some extent. In the USA, you make money, you spend money. So does she, but she sends a lot of it home to help out with basics and occasional little luxuries too.We do like to shop sometimes, usually shopping for quality and value. In the USA, you see so much conspicuous consumption--so much rampant, over the top consumerism. The sheer amount of retail at all levels here is amazing to a person who didn't grow up around it. But she and I are also consumers and can make a day of it occasionally, be it an outlet mall, regular mall, stores or on-line. That's different than 'back home'.
 
 
Today we  picked up a 8 piece box of fried chicken after church. We sat around the table eating and she said; "I remember the first time I brought a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken for the family back home". I said; "I don't think that if I was there, that I could eat any--I'd enjoy it more watching THEM enjoy it than myself eating it". She was thinking the same thing, telling me how in fact, she DIDN'T eat any!
 
 
But being some nine thousand miles away for 8 years will bring other changes.
 
 
She has a LOT more shoes and clothes than before. We shop sales and really aren't into high end designer stuff, but she always looks nice--well 'put together'.
 
 
Guys----what I am writing sounds pretty dang good, and indeed it is good and true, but I'd dare say that if you meet and marry a well raised Filipina, one who already has her head screwed on right, it's not that uncommon to find. Maybe it's a little harder to find someone who retains these characteristics after a while in the USA, but it can be done. A lot depends on the friends--the company you keep--and again, often upon how she was raised.
 
 
We've traveled a bit, but Like me, I think she'll always want to do more---there are places in Asia, Europe and South America we'll want to see, cruises to take--we'll always have that sometimes expensive 'travel bug'. Like my parents, that's probably our biggest 'vice'--saving to spend money and time traveling. She never got to do that much back home.
 
 
 
I am very, very thankful that she doesn't covet what others have. Too many people, including Filipinas, drift that way. We can go to visit friends who have a big, fancy new home and or fancy new cars and she makes little or no mention. She might point out how nice a curtain arrangement some home has is and how it would work well at our house, maybe how tidy someone's house was and how she wishes I could reduce clutter some and be bit neater, but it's not a big deal--no constant nagging.
 
 
She knows it's a good thing that our small home's house payment is small and our cars are paid for. She knows couples that stress and fight over money.
 
 
She has seen (really 'heard about' more precisely) how too many Filipinas 'lose their way', becoming loose sexually, drinking, smoking, gambling, getting into credit card debt and worse.
 
 
She's aware she has legal rights in the USA that she wouldn't dream of back home. Sometimes she'll do something that irks me a little bit--more often something I'll 'pretend' annoys me a bit and I'll lift my arm (in private) and say "Why, I really ought to spank you for that"--she'll laugh, her eyes brightening up a bit and say "Don't you forget, I'm an Amereeecan Beeeetch, now and I'll call MY lawyer!!" (Not that she has or needs one) and we'll laugh.

 
If I really keep threatening to spank her like that, she will remind me how she she told me she retains the right run off with one certain man--Leonardo DeCaprio--but not to worry--that he would likely compensate me monetarily. I think in such event, as a 'consolation prize', I get actress Angel Locsin! (I am starting to worry a bit about singer Michael Buble' also)
 
 
But she is a dual citizen now and along with certain rights, I suppose she has a sense of empowerment she just doesn't feel the need to use.
 
 
So, you can go quite a while without a whole lot changing. We have seen some changes, but by and large, it's been great. Her going home for a month or so and coming back always seems to make us stronger and more appreciative of what we have together.
 
 
More changes will surely come, maybe our age difference will come between us eventually, maybe other things will divide us--it's so hard to tell what may come. For a while, my two sons gave us some serious fits, but we've gotten through that pretty good by now. So while I always tell myself that nothing lasts forever and I could conceivably still screw this up, if that should happen, I'll always be thankful for things we've experienced together. I'm pretty sure that given the way she is--the manner in which she was raised, that she'll always be a fine person and at the very least, my friend.
 
There aren't a whole lot of women, never mind American women, with these qualities, I don't think....
 

[JWR]

Great post Robert.  She is a catch.  Breakfast in bed......you are spoiled!  Ha ha.


Having only a month or so experience with Filipinas, the main thing I've noticed that changes once they arrive here is their online age preferences.  When they are in the Philippines, age is not an issue.  Good luck with meeting and dating one that is already here that is 15 years younger.  They know their market value has changed.

[robert angel]

Great post Robert.  She is a catch.  Breakfast in bed......you are spoiled!  Ha ha.


Having only a month or so experience with Filipinas, the main thing I've noticed that changes once they arrive here is their online age preferences.  When they are in the Philippines, age is not an issue.  Good luck with meeting and dating one that is already here that is 15 years younger.  They know their market value has changed.

JWR,
 
As usual, right you are. Even 'back home' nowadays, there seems to be a narrowing of the age gap that most women find acceptable and hence what they put on their dating site profiles. Further more, it seems that there are a lot more uneducated young ladies who are more willing to accept a wider age gap than there are educated ones with good jobs.
 
When you see a 20 y/o pretty young thing who puts age '20 to 70' as her 'age range' that should raise a flag that she wants out of her country badly.
 
Women the same age, but with higher education and socio economic (money) status are more likely to want someone closer their own age.
 
I think very generally speaking, women who were raised out in the provinces (countryside) both those well educated and those barely high school graduate alike, are more likely to look for and be happy with, a wider age gap than  those born and raised in dense metro areas. Out in the country, it's more acceptable.
 
Then again, some women are only willing to accept a real wide age spread because they have seen so many 'bad dog guys'---guys their own age who are promiscuous. They assume an older guy will be more mature and better behaved--less likely to have outside love affairs. So, they are likely to have already seen or had some trauma in relationships and may be 'damaged goods' in a way.
 
Once they get to the land of 'milk and honey', these pretty young women, who might not have looked extraordinarily pretty back home, are all of a sudden, 'exotic beauties' and they can let that go to their heads. Obviously, that can cause big trouble if she's not committed to her husband or otherwise doesn't have her head screwed on right.
 
Then there's a dynamic with women once they get into their late 40's and 50's and see first hand in what rough physical shape too many guys in their 50's and 60's actually are in. She may be raring to go and he can't even get it up anymore. A woman's libido can remain quite strong for a very long time. Then the acceptable age range for them often decreases--again socio economics is a variable factor there.
 
Bring a gal over here who's married an older fellow and all bets can be taken off the table--the game, rules and moral pressures become different. She can fall in with the wrong type of gals, women who'll try and persuade her to trade up for a younger guy with more money--they'll even supply her guys to fool around with and refer her to lawyers to help her max out in divorce court.
 
 
From what I've seen, Filipinas who've been married to an older guy, then divorced or become widowed after coming to the USA or Canada, won't accept an age difference similar to what they had. Some even set their age range to include guys younger than them, which is almost unheard of back home.
 
 
I'm glad we keep our circle of friends small and that when we do attend a party or social event, that we're usually amongst the first to say a polite good bye and leave.

[Kaz1983]

When you see a 20 y/o pretty young thing who puts age '20 to 70' as her 'age range' that should raise a flag that she wants out of her country badly.

This I did my 'search' twice, giving up for a year in between .. my first search wasn't very successful as I wasn't use to the one in demand, I was use to 4 guys trying get the attention of the good looking girl at the bar  - situations .... the table here are turn, us guys are in demand and have multiple Filipinas interested in us .......... I would learn later that:


A) 20 percent probably aren't totally serious about finding love first and fore most - then moving abroad if it happens in the future... cos don't know what they want.
B) 20 percent had hidden motives for want to find a boyfriend and aren't totally sure they want to leave their country anyway.
C) 60 percent are serious about wanting to get married and meet someone special, they know what they want.

Then you got the 20 to 70 age thing Robert mentioned, it usually girls in A) and B). Me I settled on late 25+ to 40, I was 28 then. That and once I meet them instead chatting for months and months - I just got a list of 6 girls and need to tho as the first one I meet everything just fell into place and we have been in a relationship coming 1 and half years.

As for them changing once abroad I can see it happening once we make the move, as I will be heading over there for another 6 months in 3 weeks. At this rate I will end up living over there for a bit ... but I like the idea just of her changing too much when we do make move to Perth, Australia ........ that said I'm sure she will eat rice 3 times per day and miss stupid things like Jolibee hahahaha .. like most Filipino's she is very proud about her country even tho they have their fair share of social problem that if were're there is no simple fix. I want don't her changing too much or at least not in a negative way, but as was said on ''No Reservations - Philippines'' ... ''the difference between the Filipinos who live abroad and the Chinese who live abroad is the Filipino put adapting and assimilating into other cultures before their own culture, for example the Chinese a very strong identity and stick together socially more so - you will see groups of 17 yr old Chinese students talking say Mandarin Chinese in groups -laughing and what not''


 

[bcc_1_2]

of course they change when they come to the land of chocolate covered fried butter. The goal is to improve over the gringas not find that illusive (unrealistic) perfect woman. If you moved from Kansas City to Moscow you'd change too.
Sure there are plenty of AFA stories or just guys in general that took one trip, "fell in love", and filed the k1.

Before flying to the poor coast of Colombia or Cebu City a guy ought to first go overseas and date women with options (ones able to travel to the USA on their own, or with careers and things really going for them). This would be a pretty humbling experience for many. While men might get rejected more respectfully overseas... you'll find economics do play a very real role.

[Researcher]

Overall I have found many Asians to be pushy. Not all of them of course but many.

Yes, moving to a different country/culture does change most people. It can be for the good though.

[fathertime]

Before flying to the poor coast of Colombia or Cebu City a guy ought to first go overseas and date women with options (ones able to travel to the USA on their own, or with careers and things really going for them). This would be a pretty humbling experience for many. While men might get rejected more respectfully overseas...

Gee what a great idea from a 'brilliant' mind, take the time to travel abroad and look for women that are not likely to be very interested in you....you old gringos don't deserve a woman, but rather humiliation. 


Fathertime! 

[bcc_1_2]

but rather humiliation. 

Clearly you didn't try it out because it would not be a humiliating experience. It would basically drive a stake through the agency PR you read, but humiliating is a poor choice of words. The women would be polite to you.

[robert angel]

Overall I have found many Asians to be pushy. Not all of them of course but many.

Yes, moving to a different country/culture does change most people. It can be for the good though.

I wonder if this a regional or size of population thing. I think that where there's a large population of Asians and a strong regional 'flavor', be it California or New Jersey, (which both have a lot of Asians) that things, including how outgoing a lot of people are, will be different compared to more rural areas and smaller cities elsewhere.
 
I really don't see many--actually I can't think of a single Filipino around where we live and the south east in general, that I'd imagine being 'pushy' in public. Then again, some of the Vietnamese, the 'nail shop lords' can be a bit much, so I'll retract that a bit. Among all the various Asian groups, there's a social 'pecking order' that we avoid like the plague.
 
Worst characteristic I've seen are the ones who make it a point to know everything about everyone else's business and then relish in sharing what they see as 'juicy tidbits' with others, thinking they're scoring points. Boy, they'd love to get some dirt on my wife, but they know no one would believe them and it'd back fire.
 
They try and pull her into their nasty web sometimes and the best they'll get is if they say: 'Oh--her daughter's failing Math'--she'll say something like "Her Mom told me her grades are coming up--she's staying for tutorial" or 'She's gotten really fat', my wife might say, "I saw her at the gym working out". You can't avoid people like that 100% of the time, but you can deflect their nastiness w/o being nasty yourself.
 
I'm more inclined to say to these nasty broads: "Have you looked at yourself in the mirror lately?"--but then I'd get an earful the whole ride home. Just let the hens peck, I figure.

[Howard]

I gotta side with Robert here and add my experience on the subject.


From what I have seen, they don't necessarily "change" when they get here.  They just simply become who they always were.  All of us are on our best behavior in the beginning.  As time goes by we simply revert to who we really were in the first place.  This is a human thing, not just limited to women or Filipinos.


Spend the time.  Do your due diligence.  Get to actually know who you are considering spending the rest of your life with.  Let her get to know you and then proceed.  If your expectations are realistic, you should be a success story rather than a horror story


That's my story and I'm sticking to it!


Keep the Faith!


H

[robert angel]

I gotta side with Robert here and add my experience on the subject.


From what I have seen, they don't necessarily "change" when they get here.  They just simply become who they always were.  All of us are on our best behavior in the beginning.  As time goes by we simply revert to who we really were in the first place.  This is a human thing, not just limited to women or Filipinos.


Spend the time.  Do your due diligence.  Get to actually know who you are considering spending the rest of your life with.  Let her get to know you and then proceed.  If your expectations are realistic, you should be a success story rather than a horror story


That's my story and I'm sticking to it!


Keep the Faith!


H

Yep--if the foundation is built really well, the rest usually holds up pretty well too!

[Kaz1983]

Tampo out. Acting civil, expressing yourself as a fellow human being and working thur your problems/differences IN!


Change can be great!

[fathertime]

Clearly you didn't try it out because it would not be a humiliating experience. It would basically drive a stake through the agency PR you read, but humiliating is a poor choice of words. The women would be polite to you.

humbling/humiliating whatever you said...it was stupid advise, rooted in a desire to see people struggle/fail....and of course anybody who has traveled to Colombia as often as I did would make efforts along the way to meet ladies in places like malls/supermarkets/gyms etc etc...you act like it is a such a big deal to do these things...it isn't, it is normal and hardly worth a mention.


as usual you have tied the 'evil agencies' to the subject...let me educate you a bit AGAIN...if a person has used an agency and seen a few ladies he has likely run across a few, or a lot that weren't interested in him...it isn't a big deal AT ALL...it is unrealistic to think all women will be enthralled with an older man with children of his own, and the limitations it often creates...
the good news is quite a few ladies don't view these things as deal-breakers so a slightly older man can still attract a nice looking woman and have children if he wants...whether you like it or not.   


Fathertime! 

[bcc_1_2]

humbling/humiliating whatever you said...it was stupid advise,

It is merely a trip back to common sense-land.  Latinas have a check-list and wants as well in this bargain.

[fathertime]

It is merely a trip back to common sense-land.  Latinas have a check-list and wants as well in this bargain.

Nobody was EVER denying that ladies have their own wants (it is a given)....exactly who said anything different or even implied different?


Fathertime!

[bcc_1_2]

Nobody was EVER denying that ladies have their own wants (it is a given)....exactly who said anything different or even implied different?


Fathertime!

If you haven't experienced Latinas from all walks of life its is hard to understand what those wants might be and how much finances play a big role or little to no role at all depending on the individual and her situation. 99% of those with a profit motive gloss over this issue with their marketing and sales pitch comparing gringas to Latinas. Latinas will still turn you down. They'll just be more respectful and courteous about it. In many of these places young men will run into Latinas with a gringo fetish. They are interested in a physical relationship and partying while that guy in their country, but they are not interested in relocating.
 
 

[fathertime]

If you haven't experienced Latinas from all walks of life its is hard to understand what those wants might be and how much finances play a big role or little to no role at all depending on the individual and her situation. 99% of those with a profit motive gloss over this issue with their marketing and sales pitch comparing gringas to Latinas. Latinas will still turn you down. They'll just be more respectful and courteous about it. In many of these places young men will run into Latinas with a gringo fetish. They are interested in a physical relationship and partying while that guy in their country, but they are not interested in relocating.

So you just learned that Ladies have different reasons for wanting a man?  Wow that is deep.  Maybe you can next explain that the earth is round. 


Just about EVERYBODY knows that in many cases economics is a key driver of international relationships, it allows a foot in the door where it otherwise might not happen. Still once the foot is in the door, a man still has to perform and help create a nice relationship/marriage.


Fathertime! 

[benjio]

I've never brought a foreign woman stateside and don't ever plan to but I'd imagine a change in personality, expectations, etc. would inevitably accompany such a drastic change in environment. That's the natural order of things all the way down to microscopic organisms. I think whether or not that change has a negative effect on the marriage has a lot to do with the man. I mean seriously, we're not exactly dating women from cultures where they traditionally run the household.   
 
BCC, (and please correct me if I'm wrong) it once again seems like you're taking the stance that dating more educated foreign women from affluent backgrounds will automatically increase your odds of success if you decide to bring then to the U.S. And again, I'm just not buying that. I understand your belief is that by dating women who are better off in their home countries, a gringo can reduce if not altogether eliminate the risk of encountering women whose primary motivation is improving upon their quality life. There's definitely some logic behind that; but IMHO opinion, this is a crap shoot no matter what color dice you're rolling. Without any statistics to back up either argument, couldn't I just as easily claim that a woman that already knew English and was well educated would be quicker to leave if things didn't work out because she'd be better equipped to take care of herself in the U.S.? Couldn't I also say that if with time she began to feel differently, she'd have no problem with leaving you and going back home because life wasn't so bad back where she came from?
 
Here's the skinny of it all. In the end you're dealing with two variables that money has nothing to do with...emotions and cultural values. Rich or poor...if a woman truly loves you, she's most likely going to stick around (unless you're some alcoholic, wife beating [snip]...and unfortunately a lot of Latinas will still stick around). One inevitable change I think every foreign woman experiences in the U.S. is a new found sense of options and the upperhand. I don't care who your wife is or where she's from. If she's been in the U.S. a while she knows she can leave your ass and still be taken care of in most cases. The second is cultural values. It doesn't matter if they're based in religion, tradition or whatever. There are still cultures on this Earth that view divorce as a huge failure in life and a loss of face. One of the reasons I prefer Latinas that were raised SOTB is because for the most part in Latin America, divorce is still considered to be a bit taboo. In the U.S. getting a divorce is so common it's something you can do the paperwork for yourself if there's no significant assets involved. Not to mention the fact that it can happen in a little as a couple of months. I don't know about Asia, but it's not that easy anywhere I've been in Latin America. And in most cases there will be pressure from the family, the community and the church for the couple to work things out. 

[robert angel]

Money in a marriage is always going to be a variable--a 'wild card' if you will. And it can and typically does to an extent, change over time. You can marry a woman who comes from money who's either going to be OK about money matters, be they having plenty to spend or going through leaner times. Then again, you might find you married a woman who's going to have 'issues' about money, for richer OR poorer.

 
Typically most issues arise on the 'poorer' side of things, especially if you go down in income. People can get too used to the 'good life'.

 
Some women from money are spoiled princess's, with a sense of entitlement that never goes away.

 
As said, typically it's the leaner times that are hard, but in my previous marriage to a woman from overseas, our real problems happened to start about the time we both started making enough money in our jobs respectively. We found we really didn't 'need' each other anymore to have the material/economic lifestyle we'd grown accustomed to.

 
Sad to say, but money was a binding factor that kept us together. Once we had more than enough, we weren't as 'essential to each other--to 'us'. Cold yes, but that's how it was in that case. She loves 'things'.
 
 
She was an orphan and had virtually nothing being raised--no solid foundation for her personality. To say she was 'kicked around' about sums it up. Some people can overcome such a start in life, but more often, it leaves scars and wounds that never really heal.

 
I guess that's why so many people who win huge in the lottery end up divorced and their lives ruined in other ways as well. Like the guy who won 7 million dollars and like most folks in said situation, blew it all--but then tried to sue the govt. for ruining his life. (he lost--again)
 
 
I'd dare say bad things can happen when a guy marries a gal from a dirt poor back ground, brings her to the USA and she can't get a decent job to support herself and there's not a whole lot on the table and things relationship wise get cold.
 
I know a guy---used to be a golf club pro--now he basically mans the cash register in the club house for low pay. At home, them living with his Dad, he won't care for the baby, won't change a diaper or lift a finger and although the money's not coming into good, he won't let her work on his days off. He goes to Vegas alone. The kid's never going to play ball with his dad, it looks like. She desperately needs to get out of the house, besides going to church, just her and the baby, without him.
 
There's a risk of her feeling stuck in marriage because she can't 'go it alone', but although my wife and I stay out of it, I don't think it'll last. She'll get sick of it enough eventually and leave, even if it means struggling financially. My wife only listens, but the day she moves out, we'll get all new furniture, kitchen gear, have one less TV and someone needy, namely her, will have ours. Again.
 
Some guys, here and elsewhere, buy into the 'marry a simple girl, keep her barefoot and preggars and everything will be OK'. lifestyle. They might be surprised one day.

 
I am NOT saying that marrying a woman from a poor background, someone without much of an education is a recipe for disaster--far from it. There are women from such circumstances who given the opportunity for a better life and a good husband, will stay with you to your last dying breaths. Add children and the loyalty factor should be (I hope) stronger.

 
It's more about the person than the money when it all boils down to it. If they're grounded and I mean really grounded, it shouldn't be an issue, regardless of changes.

 
There may be compatibility issues about things to talk about, mutual interests and more, but those variables exist among and between people of the same, as well as different socio economic-educational backgrounds. My wife says in our case that 'Opposites Attract'.

 
I love the differences I've seen and learned from those things 'different' that exist in her--I'm GLAD she's not like me in many ways. The way they look at money, love, religion, education and medicine for starters where she comes from, is very different than what I learned.

 
Money--for better or worse, richer or poorer--and how much sticktuitiveness she's going to have towards you, not only depends on YOU, (if you always treat her like dirt, she's going to leave you regardless) but also on how well grounded she is--namely her personality and sense of loyalty.

[bcc_1_2]

BCC, (and please correct me if I'm wrong) it once again seems like you're taking the stance that dating more educated foreign women from affluent backgrounds will automatically increase your odds of success if you decide to bring then to the U.S. And again, I'm just not buying that.

Nothing is automatic but if I was generalizing I'd say middle class (not necessarily affluent) is the way to go. If you are in poverty you'll do anything to get out of it. Each and every guy has to look in the mirror and evaluate themselves outside of the Russian models want to date grandpa sales pitch you'll get.
Let's look at my own personal circumstances as a young person. This is not just an age or looks thing that applies to older guys. In some parts of Latin America the women are much less likely to want to leave. They fall under the category of what the young playboy would classify as DTF (down to... cough... party and have sex). So by traveling to these places I experienced that some Latinas don't even want a long-term relationship with me in my country. Yet when I travel to another destination I find almost all the single women want to move right in with me back home.
So I had to evaluate why that might be along with everyone else that heads to Latin America. This just doesn't happen to be an issue for you as you are not bringing a woman back.

[robert angel]

As to:

 >>In some parts of Latin America the women are much less likely to want to leave<<

 
I'd gather it's the same in other areas of the world as well. In the Philippines for example, I've noticed women, including relatively poor women, are far less likely to want to leave Cebu City than they are in other Philippine cities.  Why, we have no idea, as my wife and I find it to be overcrowded and polluted, too far from decent beaches, a traffic nightmare----it's pretty much a smaller version of Manila.
 
Perhaps not coincidently, many Filipinos think their nation's prettiest women come from in and around Cebu City. I personally think the hottest babes come from the Makati City section of Manila, which is the same kind of nation wide babe magnet that mid town NYC's fashion district is to pretty babes from all over the USA. Too bad that maybe 20% of the really hot 'girls' in Makati are actually lady boys, choke, choke....

 
Still, you'll see plenty of personal ads looking for mostly older foreigners  to join up with women in C.C., ostensibly for long term relationships.