Two fiancee visas for life rule

[robert angel]

My marriage is good, but I had occasionally wondered about the 'two fiancées for life' limit that I had heard about. I didn't see anything here in 'search' and I saw this on-line:
 

>>The International Marriage Broker Regulation Act (IMBRA) has the practical effect of limiting a man to two fiancée visas in his entire lifetime.  In other words, you better be very careful whom you chose to bring into the United States on a fiancée visa.  You are only allowed two opportunities (subject to a government waiver) to marry a foreign woman.  If neither of the two women want to marry you, then that is the end of it for you.  It is quite clear from the statements of the feminist lobby that they think that IMBRA is a “de facto” ban on more than two visas being issued. 
 
This makes the process of finding a foreign wife much more difficult.  The feminist lobby has arrogated to itself the right to determine how many foreign fiancée visas an American man should be allowed to have in his lifetime. 
 
This would also apply to women as well, but since there aren’t, for all intents and purposes, any foreign men that want to marry American women through international dating agencies, this is a mute point.
 
Due to the fact that an American man is limited to two foreign fiancée visas in his entire lifetime (subject to a government waiver), the cost of pursuing foreign women goes up commensurately.  One would have to travel to the various countries much more frequently to be sure that the woman that he will sponsor for a fiancée visa is worth risking one of his two lifetime visa opportunities for. 
 
This will eliminate a lot of men who cannot afford such expenditures.  What IMBRA does is it effectively eliminates the three-month period of the fiancée visa as a trial period to determine if you want to actually marry the foreign woman.  The American man will have to make that decision while the woman is in her home country. 
 
This is not only problematic for the man, it is also creates certain problems for the woman.  Ironically, this fiancée visa limitation will almost certainly make it much more difficult for foreign women to make informed choices about the men that they will be marrying.  In fact, the limitation on fiancée visas actually does more harm to the foreign woman than it does to the American man.<<

http://www.online-dating-rights.com/forum/index.php?topic=577.0;wap2

 
OK--anybody know about the validity of the above? Does it pertain to spousal visas too or just to fiancée visas?
I noticed mention of a 'waiver' if you desire a third fiancée visa----anyone heard if that's extremely difficult to obtain? I assume it would be through the USCIS and that a Congressman and/or Senator's assistance would help.
 

[bcc_1_2]

This is why you don't give a feminist professor the benefit of the doubt when they come on the forum. You might as well equate it to a lobbyist group that promotes sexism and discrimination.
The stop and frisk law in NYC is incredibly unpopular in the African-American community and leaders of the community refer to it as de facto discrimination against people of color. They have some pretty good stats to back that up too.
The feminist lobby in the same way promotes legislation that de facto discriminates against men. There aren't moderate and friendly feminists and guys need to get that out of their heads. I've seen very progressive men speak out against feminism. I've seen the scientific community speak out against it. A world renown biologist has trashed this as well because feminism goes against biology and is anti-science. They basically find themselves in the same group of fictional non-sense as the bible colleges that teach students that the world is 5000 years old.
American woman can't make it most places in Latin America. They would be "sexually harassed" and "abused" (or ignored if they are bow wows) daily and they simply wouldn't last. In Asia the female English teachers hardly ever last. Plenty of blogs where these spoilt little princesses bitch online that nobody loves them in Japan.
Spending time in a feminist studies class is no different than taking "The Purpose Driven Life", Greek mythology, or the flat Earthers seriously. 
You can be 100% for equal pay for work and equal rights while washing your hands completely of feminism. Women that want to be happy and appreciate healthy male attention understand this and even the most liberal men can see the difference between equality and feminism.

[robert angel]

This is why you don't give a feminist professor the benefit of the doubt when they come on the forum. You might as well equate it to a lobbyist group that promotes sexism and discrimination.
The stop and frisk law in NYC is incredibly unpopular in the African-American community and leaders of the community refer to it as de facto discrimination against people of color. They have some pretty good stats to back that up too.
The feminist lobby in the same way promotes legislation that de facto discriminates against men. There aren't moderate and friendly feminists and guys need to get that out of their heads. I've seen very progressive men speak out against feminism. I've seen the scientific community speak out against it. A world renown biologist has trashed this as well because feminism goes against biology and is anti-science. They basically find themselves in the same group of fictional non-sense as the bible colleges that teach students that the world is 5000 years old.
American woman can't make it most places in Latin America. They would be "sexually harassed" and "abused" (or ignored if they are bow wows) daily and they simply wouldn't last. In Asia the female English teachers hardly ever last. Plenty of blogs where these spoilt little princesses bitch online that nobody loves them in Japan.
Spending time in a feminist studies class is no different than taking "The Purpose Driven Life", Greek mythology, or the flat Earthers seriously. 
You can be 100% for equal pay for work and equal rights while washing your hands completely of feminism. Women that want to be happy and appreciate healthy male attention understand this and even the most liberal men can see the difference between equality and feminism.

I guess you missed this part:
 

OK--anybody know about the validity of the above? Does it pertain to spousal visas too or just to fiancée visas?

I noticed mention of a 'waiver' if you desire a third fiancée visa----anyone heard if that's extremely difficult to obtain? I assume it would be through the USCIS and that a Congressman and/or Senator's assistance would help.

[bcc_1_2]

NUMERICAL LIMIT: Under current USCIS reading of Section 832 of IMBRA , there is a numerical limitation to how K 1 Visas you can do freely without restriction, namely a "lifetime" limit of two (2) previously approved K-1 Visa petitions unless you can secure a Section 832 Waiver (or special exception) from Homeland Security. TIME LIMIT: Also, under current USCIS reading of Section 832 of IMBRA, if you have filed one approved K-1 Visa in the past 24 months, you must wait 24 months from the filing date of the last K Visa petition, before you may file a new K Visa petition, unless you secure a Section 832 Waiver (or special exception) from Homeland Security.

http://www.usaimmigrationattorney.com/IMBRAWaiverPetitions.html
 

[robert angel]

http://www.usaimmigrationattorney.com/IMBRAWaiverPetitions.html

Thanks--I think info like you supplied might help others--hopefully make them a bit more cautious, pausing before making one trip for one woman and after a week or two, deciding to get married!
 
Here's a little additional insight from our friends at visajourney.com (should've known to look there before) http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/316265-chances-on-a-3rd-k-1-visa/
 
Now I wonder if you had two fiancee visas and decide the third time to go for a spousal visa, if it would avoid this issue all together?
 
In this day and age, few things last 'forever'.

[JWR]

Glad your marriage is good Robert.  You're like a rock around here.  I missed the 1st line of your post the 1st read, and I was thinking.....holy crap not Robert too! 

[Kaz1983]

I wonder if Australia is the same?

[Ray]

What IMBRA does is it effectively eliminates the three-month period of the fiancée visa as a trial period to determine if you want to actually marry the foreign woman. The American man will have to make that decision while the woman is in her home country. 
 

For the millionth time, the 90-day period for the fiancée visa was NEVER intended as a trial period to see if you really wanted to get married.
　
If IMBRA stopped some of these bozos from using the fiancée visa for a short sex visit and then dumping her ass, then that's a good thing.
 
 
Ray
 
 

[bcc_1_2]

For the millionth time, the 90-day period for the fiancée visa was NEVER intended as a trial period to see if you really wanted to get married.
　
If IMBRA stopped some of these bozos from using the fiancée visa for a short sex visit and then dumping her ass, then that's a good thing.
 
 
Ray

When I think of the differences between living in San Jose (CR)  and Mexico City versus Cali (CO)... there are some big differences. I do think location matters. Dubuque, Iowa is far different than LA, NYC, Chicago or even some small town in Florida. In some cases these women get married without ever visiting the United States. In fairness to Robert I'd say there is a lot more to this than sex.
Your point is valid on the K1, but that doesn't mean it is "right" or the "best" way to do things for the foreign women or the American guys. It certainly makes things harder for honest minded men and women. 

[fathertime]

This is why you don't give a feminist professor the benefit of the doubt when they come on the forum.  .

The stop and frisk law in NYC is incredibly unpopular in the African-American community and leaders of the community refer to it as de facto discrimination against people of color. They have some pretty good stats to back that up too.
 
 

all your rude crap with the new poster with the book was shot down by a half dozen posters...you grumble and whine about guilt by association yet you are guilty of the very same thing...so it is ok for bcc to be acting like a hypocrite....lol


Fathertime! 

[robert angel]

For the millionth time, the 90-day period for the fiancée visa was NEVER intended as a trial period to see if you really wanted to get married.
　
If IMBRA stopped some of these bozos from using the fiancée visa for a short sex visit and then dumping her ass, then that's a good thing.
 
 
Ray

It's true that too many guys think that the 90 day period is a "Let's see if we're REALLY right for each other" period.
 
That said, you can try and justify it all you want, but I think that the reality of a Fiancee Visa and the 90 day period in the USA is that with the paperwork involved and what turns out to be a relatively shorter amount of time than they thought it would actually be, most couples (including most of the clowns described above) do end up getting married, as was their original, initial intent. The whole thing just gains momentum and often seems unstoppable and 90 days really isn't enough time for most people to realize their 'significant other' is actually train wreck material. Of course, there probably aren't any reliable figures on this, one way or another, so in the time tested P-L way, we could argue this until the cows come home and get absolutely nowhere.

 
I really don't think that too many guys (overall) have the money or the inclination to bring women over for 90 days of sex and games, send her home and do it again and again. I guess it does kinda sound like 'Californication', but by and large, I just don't see it.

 
No doubt some I guess--again, not many I don't think, do (did) abuse the 'system'--as there's always a few loose screws in the tool kit, but because of a few, every guy in the USA is getting his rights limited. That's what truly sucks.

 
I think that you ought to be happy over the course of a lifetime with two marriages, but that the reality of this crazy, messed up, disposable mentality world of me, me, me--here and now--is that over the course of 30, 40, 50 years, some pretty decent people DO get married three (or more) times. For those people, who feel their chance of getting a long term wife overseas is better overseas, I think that they've been dealt an injustice with this two K1 visa limit..

[bcc_1_2]

you grumble and whine about guilt by association

If only we had male leaders standing up and fighting for male rights and making a counter argument. That would be great.

[robert angel]

Glad your marriage is good Robert.  You're like a rock around here.  I missed the 1st line of your post the 1st read, and I was thinking.....holy crap not Robert too!

Thanks JWR, Yea--we're still making the best of it. Things take more work as the years go by, I think. People go through inevitable changes and showing commitment and a willingness to 'meet in the middle' as well as not take things for granted, becomes more important, more necessary for a lot of couples, us included. She tossed away the idea of using her engineering, decided against teaching, nursing and is doing well in medical equipment sales. I didn't push her. I bet part of her sales territory is in your neighborhood, in fact!
 
But as long as we keep not letting bad moods and arguments carry over for days, things look good. I guess.  The other night I got her pissed off and I decided just to roll over and sleep, rather than 'carry on' about it any longer. About 15 minutes later, she was really pissed, saying: "You're  not even going to hug and hold me???"--Geeze--sometimes a guy can't win!
 
I'll start to worry if we don't periodically talk about where we hope to be 5, 10, even 30 years from now. She's younger than I am, and she always amazes me with her ability to think long term and keep it positive, even to the point where if I'm in diapers some day she imagines caring for me still!
 
Well enough about us, in here anyways--we need to give each other a call again on the phone sometimes, outside of this soap box, so you can tell me first hand we're you're at, lady wise!, LOL!

[Ray]

 
NOBODY should lose any sleep over the 2 K-visa lefetime limit.
 
I can think of at least two members here who asked for a vaiver and were promptly appoved.
 
In the rare event that you are ever denied a third chance at a fiancee visa, you can take heart in the fact that there is always the marriage overseas route and the CR-1 spouse visa, which is NOT subject to IMBRA rules.
 
 
So theoretically, you could apply for 300 spouse visas over your lifetime with no fear of those evil feminist bitches who sponsored IMBRA ever coming between you and your most recent love interest... LOL!
 
 
Ray
 
 

[Ray]

This is why you don't give a feminist professor the benefit of the doubt when they come on the forum. You might as well equate it to a lobbyist group that promotes sexism and discrimination.
The stop and frisk law in NYC is incredibly unpopular in the African-American community and leaders of the community refer to it as de facto discrimination against people of color. They have some pretty good stats to back that up too.
The feminist lobby in the same way promotes legislation that de facto discriminates against men. There aren't moderate and friendly feminists and guys need to get that out of their heads. I've seen very progressive men speak out against feminism. I've seen the scientific community speak out against it. A world renown biologist has trashed this as well because feminism goes against biology and is anti-science. They basically find themselves in the same group of fictional non-sense as the bible colleges that teach students that the world is 5000 years old.
American woman can't make it most places in Latin America. They would be "sexually harassed" and "abused" (or ignored if they are bow wows) daily and they simply wouldn't last. In Asia the female English teachers hardly ever last. Plenty of blogs where these spoilt little princesses bitch online that nobody loves them in Japan.
Spending time in a feminist studies class is no different than taking "The Purpose Driven Life", Greek mythology, or the flat Earthers seriously.
You can be 100% for equal pay for work and equal rights while washing your hands completely of feminism. Women that want to be happy and appreciate healthy male attention understand this and even the most liberal men can see the difference between equality and feminism.

　
 

 
　
bcc, are you still obsessing over Felicity? I think you need to get your head examined.
　
If you want to actually read her book and critique it from a position of knowledge, then by all means do so. Otherwise, nobody is interested in your never-ending ignorant rantings about feminists and guilt by association.
　
For your information, she has been posting here on this forum since WAY before you ever showed up on the scene. She has never spouted any of the feminist propaganda that you repeatedly rail against, so how about you just put a cork in it bozo…
　
Ray
　

[bcc_1_2]

. She has never spouted any of the feminist propaganda that you repeatedly rail against
　

That's because you aren't in her feminist studies class. It sounds like you haven't stepped on a college campus or been around this stuff before. What she says to you versus what goes on in class is two very different things. Just like what I hear at a buy a plate/table fundraiser dinner is much different than what candidates say to the public out on the trail. Keep the men in the dark... it's better that way.

 Too much on the internet about these visas being declined to turn a blind eye. Some might be fraud or simple mistakes but this process is designed to be challenging.
 

[fathertime]

That's because you aren't in her feminist studies class. It sounds like you haven't stepped on a college campus or been around this stuff before. What she says to you versus what goes on in class is two very different things. Just like what I hear at a buy a plate/table fundraiser dinner is much different than what candidates say to the public out on the trail. Keep the men in the dark... it's better that way.

There you go Ray, bcc knows much more than you (or anybody else) so sit down and be quiet and 'learn' from him and his trembling obsession about 'feminism' 


Fathertime! 

[fathertime]

Thanks JWR, Yea--we're still making the best of it. Things take more work as the years go by, I think. People go through inevitable changes and showing commitment and a willingness to 'meet in the middle' as well as not take things for granted, becomes more important, more necessary for a lot of couples, us included. She tossed away the idea of using her engineering, decided against teaching, nursing and is doing well in medical equipment sales. I didn't push her. I bet part of her sales territory is in your neighborhood, in fact!
 
But as long as we keep not letting bad moods and arguments carry over for days, things look good. I guess.  The other night I got her pissed off and I decided just to roll over and sleep, rather than 'carry on' about it any longer. About 15 minutes later, she was really pissed, saying: "You're  not even going to hug and hold me???"--Geeze--sometimes a guy can't win!
 
I'll start to worry if we don't periodically talk about where we hope to be 5, 10, even 30 years from now. She's younger than I am, and she always amazes me with her ability to think long term and keep it positive, even to the point where if I'm in diapers some day she imagines caring for me still!
 
Well enough about us, in here anyways--we need to give each other a call again on the phone sometimes, outside of this soap box, so you can tell me first hand we're you're at, lady wise!, LOL!

thanks for the nice post and insight...no matter which route is taken the challenges never end...I don't find myself talking too much about the distant future which for me would be 5 years even...


btw...i figured you were already in diapers, but i'll tell you this..if/when i get to that point I don't think i would want to stick around very long...I remember PeteE who posted here many moons ago, he was ill with a nasty case of Crohn's disease and had a colostomy bag...when i sat down with him with him in Cali he said he didn't want to live like that forever, he would rather take his chances with a risky surgery in colombia that wound up killing him...I kinda feel the same way, if I'm crapping myself, I can't imagine being very satisfied with life...but that is just me, i can respect others that it doesn't bother as much.


Fathertime! 

[Ray]

That's because you aren't in her feminist studies class. It sounds like you haven't stepped on a college campus or been around this stuff before. What she says to you versus what goes on in class is two very different things. Just like what I hear at a buy a plate/table fundraiser dinner is much different than what candidates say to the public out on the trail. Keep the men in the dark... it's better that way.

 Too much on the internet about these visas being declined to turn a blind eye. Some might be fraud or simple mistakes but this process is designed to be challenging.

 
Well, well, now. Are YOU in her feminist studies class bcc?
 
For your information oh ignorant one, I graduated from San Diego State University, which is ground zero for the womens studies/feminist studies movement, which started back when you were still in diapers before you were born. So I definitely don't need a lecture on the subject from a rookie like you.
 
But if you haven't been in Felicity's class yourself, then you are doing nothing more than blowing smoke out your anus, as usual.
 
Instead of trying to imagine what this lady is saying in her classes, why don't you just get her book and read it, if you can even read. Then you are to write up a book report and make a presentation to the rest of the forum.
 
Now get busy bozo...