Frustrated Black American Men in Brazil

[Brazilophile]

I came across this article about a short film (47 minutes) called Frustrated Black American Men in Brazil.  I had never heard of the film before.  The article's author (Demetria Lucas) claims something called World Star uploaded the film in March of 2012.  Has anybody ever heard of it or seen it? 

The author basically says that the Black men in the film are losers because they are saying that Black American women are (mostly) losers.

I think if she had ignored the film, most of the rest of the world would have as well.

Here is a link.   Frustrated.

[benjio]

I came across this article about a short film (47 minutes) called Frustrated Black American Men in Brazil.  I had never heard of the film before.  The article's author (Demetria Lucas) claims something called World Star uploaded the film in March of 2012.  Has anybody ever heard of it or seen it? 

The author basically says that the Black men in the film are losers because they are saying that Black American women are (mostly) losers.

I think if she had ignored the film, most of the rest of the world would have as well.

Here is a link.   Frustrated.

The fact this has anything to do with World Star Hip Hop makes it complete BS. Do some research on WSHH...it's the Black American Community's National Enquirer at best, and even that's a stretch. With that being said I've never met one, not a single, solitary black man in Brazil that wasn't here to monger if he wasn't working or retired here. And most black men that work here still participate in a little pay for play once in a while. I can assure you that none of the men that were interviewed for this article were wife hunting in Brazil. They were sexually frustrated men that wanted an easy piece of ass who fell short of attractive American Black women's requirements for a sexual partner (notice I said sexual partner...not boyfriend or husband. These women won't even consider sleeping with these guys). Successful, beautiful black women in the U.S. are indeed extremely difficult to date. They know they are rare. They have dozens of men knocking their doors down at any given time. So they are picky. I agree this may be to their own detriment, but at the same time I don't blame them.
 
I've never had a problem dating beautiful black women in the states. Never. They are usually just too head strong and bitchy for me.
 
 

[A_Thomas]

 I saw Frustrated as it was finally put on You Tube for free view.


 I found it a bit misleading. I too don't have a problem with Black women. The majority of women that look at my various profiles around the internet are Black. Even Black Dominicans, Black Brazilians, Black Peruvians and Black Colombians.

 That said, if you go inside the Black Male Echo Chamber you would think BW are the worst people on earth. I just choose not to date them, so while I understand their rants, they at the same time do little about it.


 The movie also positions the Black Men featured as Sex Tourist, not men looking for long term relationships. I don't have a problem with it, but the media uses this to demonize Black Man for traveling at all.


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[beulah]

There are a million negative things that can be said about a large group of people.  I usually look at the individual that is saying it and see if they have accounted for there own drawbacks. Usually they don't and I don't pay much attention to their pov.

[Brazilophile]

@benjio,

I had never heard of World Star Hip Hop.  I looked it up.  You are right!  There is nothing about that site to be taken at all seriously.

I have met many Black men in Brazil who were there for reasons other than sex tourism.  I met all of them in the Northeast as that is where almost all of my trips have been.  I have not yet been to Rio.  I have heard and read stories and trip reports of men on sex tours of Rio.

Unlike all of you others who have posted, I have had problems with Black women.  I guess most of that was my fault.  I was more ambitious when I was younger and focused a great deal on my education and career.   Women generally, but Black women more so, wanted to me to make those things a lower priority.  Even though they kept those same things a higher priority for themselves.  I didn't have the patience for the one-way street thing.

Most of the Brazilian women I have met have very few problems with a man of any race being ambitious and working hard to reach his goals.  They often help him by removing obstacles.  (Black) American women generally hinder by adding more obstacles.

[A_Thomas]

@benjio,

I had never heard of World Star Hip Hop.  I looked it up.  You are right!  There is nothing about that site to be taken at all seriously.

I have met many Black men in Brazil who were there for reasons other than sex tourism.  I met all of them in the Northeast as that is where almost all of my trips have been.  I have not yet been to Rio.  I have heard and read stories and trip reports of men on sex tours of Rio.

Unlike all of you others who have posted, I have had problems with Black women.  I guess most of that was my fault.  I was more ambitious when I was younger and focused a great deal on my education and career.   Women generally, but Black women more so, wanted to me to make those things a lower priority.  Even though they kept those same things a higher priority for themselves.  I didn't have the patience for the one-way street thing.

Most of the Brazilian women I have met have very few problems with a man of any race being ambitious and working hard to reach his goals.  They often help him by removing obstacles.  (Black) American women generally hinder by adding more obstacles.

 Actually your experience reflects other BM's experience with BW. As I said the main problem is so many complain but yet so many complain and do nothing.


 I've pretty much ignored them since we left Inglewood for the San Fernando Valley, where in the early 80's we were one of the few Black families in the area (Canoga Park).


 Its been a steady diet of White women... Now that age is becoming a factor and too many women in my dating pool have children from previous relationships, I've decided to look elsewhere. However this started in the mid 90's with it only being broken by a couple of relationships.


 

[benjio]

Brazilophile and A_Thomas,
 
Great posts. After reading some of the viewpoints of several men on the board (especially the married guys), I try my hardest not to generalize anymore because there's always the exception. As men looking for a significant other, wherever in the world that may be, is that not what we all on some level aspire to find? An exceptional woman?
 
As previously stated I don't have a problem dating black women in the states and never have. However, there are some personality traits many have that I've learned to have patience with. The first and probably most problematic is that many of them grow up in single parent homes. There are a large percentage of black women being raised by their mothers and have little to no contact with their biological fathers. I think many of them lack an understanding and an appreciation for the male ego because of this. There are quite a few I've dated that want to lead and have the most control in a relationship because they've never had a male figure take the role of a leader in their households. Bitter mothers only make the situation worse. Often a single mother has had a bad experience (if not multiple bad experiences) with men, and raise their daughters to believe that men are more of a burden than a compliment to themselves. I can only blame that on black men for not sticking around to be fathers...regardless of how the relationship ended up with the mother of their daughters.
 
Another huge disadvantage for black women in the U.S. is most of them absolutely refuse to date outside of their own race. Many of them have told me they couldn't see themselves with any man that wasn't black. Black men on the contrary, have no problem whatsoever exploring the possibility of dating and marrying women of different races. Many black professional atheletes and entertainers choose white or latina women for wives because of the aforementioned personality traits of black women. When a man has worked that hard to become that successful, the last thing he'll want is a woman that's going to try and run him instead of stand behind them.
 
I still adore black american women. "MY MOMMA WAS BLACK!!!!" - Stever Martin in The Jerk.    They are very strong, resiliant and when they actually open their hearts to a man, they love HARD!!!

[Brazilophile]

Benjio, you are an admirable man!

I have a preference for women of Africa descent of any nationality.  However,  I have matured and know the difference between 'want'  and 'need'.

I feel strongly that in North America a Black man cannot struggle all day against the forces in society which target him and come home to a household/wife against whom he has to struggle all night.  It is an impossible task that will lead to premature death.  (The few White men with whom I have discussed this agree it applies to them as well.)

I need a wife who will contribute to a home environment in which I (and she) can let our guards down, rest, and rejuvenate ourselves, in order to meet the next day's challenges.  If I find this in a woman of any race, ethnicity, nationality, or religion, then she is potential wife material for me.

For better or for worse, I am not finding what I need in the US at a 'cost' I can afford. 

[bcc_1_2]

Huh I hadn't put too much thought into this... and well not being black I suppose that makes sense. My black friends date as many whites & latinas as they do black. I have heard them complain that the hot black women are few and far between. Weight is a big complaint. I'll just leave it at that... what I heard. I've dated a few black women when I was younger. It was a period that most guys go through that they aren't just that serious about "getting serious" but I've heard the complaints about black women. And amoungst friends I've been honest and said there are some really hot black women around town... but there are lots I'm just not attracted to. Obesity is a problem for all races but when I'm out I still notice the in shape, curvy, athletic... hot black women are rare. And if they are dating whites, latinos, asians, etc that makes it all that more challenging I suppose.

[htown]

One thing I'll add, a little bit off topic.  Before I went to medellin I'd heard how supposedly the paisas are more "white" than most colombians so I wasn't expecting to see too many black women.  Well I found out there is no shortage of FINE GORGEOUS black chicks in medellin.  I was in this club district they have and one of the clubs must have been having black night because there was a long line outside of nothing but black people and damn I saw some of the finest black chicks I've ever seen in my life.


Another thing bcc, you say your wife is from la ceiba.  I've met alot of ceibeñas here in htown and they're all mixed mulatta race type women.  I love it when they dance punta music.    I used to date a girl from there and I want to slap myself every time I think of how I screwed up that relationship.

[benjio]

Well I found out there is no shortage of FINE GORGEOUS black chicks in medellin.  I was in this club district they have and one of the clubs must have been having black night because there was a long line outside of nothing but black people and damn I saw some of the finest black chicks I've ever seen in my life.

DAMN! Really?!!! Sounds like I need to get my ass down to La Eterna Primavera and get that ass whipping Micky has been promising me for the last couple of years. 

[bcc_1_2]

She's from Tela . Creamy light skin with raven black hair. But yes you are right on your account. Take a girl with natural curves that loves playing futbol on the beach and you end up with a chica that leaves you with constant wood lol. If you are crazy enough to venture to Honduras these days.
I am terrible with written descriptions but I saw a chica in Cali that looking back was the perfect shade of dark moca, jet black hair, and dark eyes. I was meeting a lot of girls and looking back she was the best option in Cali that I met.... took me awhile to figure that out though. Slender(ish) girl too... probably 5'7 and 130 lbs.

[htown]

If you are crazy enough to venture to Honduras these days.

No need to.  More than enough of them right here in my hometown.

[A_Thomas]

Brazilophile and A_Thomas,
 
Great posts. After reading some of the viewpoints of several men on the board (especially the married guys), I try my hardest not to generalize anymore because there's always the exception. As men looking for a significant other, wherever in the world that may be, is that not what we all on some level aspire to find? An exceptional woman?
 
As previously stated I don't have a problem dating black women in the states and never have. However, there are some personality traits many have that I've learned to have patience with. The first and probably most problematic is that many of them grow up in single parent homes. There are a large percentage of black women being raised by their mothers and have little to no contact with their biological fathers. I think many of them lack an understanding and an appreciation for the male ego because of this. There are quite a few I've dated that want to lead and have the most control in a relationship because they've never had a male figure take the role of a leader in their households. Bitter mothers only make the situation worse. Often a single mother has had a bad experience (if not multiple bad experiences) with men, and raise their daughters to believe that men are more of a burden than a compliment to themselves. I can only blame that on black men for not sticking around to be fathers...regardless of how the relationship ended up with the mother of their daughters.
 
Another huge disadvantage for black women in the U.S. is most of them absolutely refuse to date outside of their own race. Many of them have told me they couldn't see themselves with any man that wasn't black. Black men on the contrary, have no problem whatsoever exploring the possibility of dating and marrying women of different races. Many black professional atheletes and entertainers choose white or latina women for wives because of the aforementioned personality traits of black women. When a man has worked that hard to become that successful, the last thing he'll want is a woman that's going to try and run him instead of stand behind them.
 
I still adore black american women. "MY MOMMA WAS BLACK!!!!" - Stever Martin in The Jerk.    They are very strong, resiliant and when they actually open their hearts to a man, they love HARD!!!

 Thanks and yes my Momma was Black too (Still alive, down the hall...) and I agree about being strong because they have had little choice. Poppa was a rolling stone was not directed at White men...


 That said I've had a father the entire time, either my real father (RIP) or "Ronnie B" my step pappy.


 Even he says BW are nutty and this go back to his dayz of being married to his ex Carroll and all the BW in Watts and Compton he dealt with. My real pops was a mack, he dated all sorts of women, some White (European) some Asian, some Black.


 I don't have much in common with most Black Men let alone Black Women, not saying I'm corny or sumthin, its just I'm a product of my environment. Suburbia at its finest, now its been invaded with inner city African-Americans and FOB Latinos, spraying up the retaining walls around here. That's just the tip of the nonsense, minor gang activity; even got the White trash kids doing dirt (Wha set your from, I heard on the best and surprised it was two White kids talking like that...). This old BM that I was with at the bus stop, said these kids (Latinos,White, Blacks) don't respect nothing.


 He's been living in SFV since the late 60's. He's right... Idle hands, youth unemployment is 19% last time I checked has those FOB's from across the way take up those fast food jobs that teenagers usually took not so long ago. I still see some students working at box people at supermarkets, but even that started to get invaded by adult immigrants and seniors who should be enjoying their golden years but can't make the pension check meet endz.


 Anyway, the goal this year is to finally get this done.


 There some tight BW in DR. I've been telling whinny ass BM to pack them bags and head south if they want as DJ Quik said "Sweet Black P***y".


 I'll skip it, I want vanilla or at least some butterscotch...


 


 Karisa from Sao Paulo, I originally found her on Black Planet, guess you know what that means... lol


 

[benjio]

 Thanks and yes my Momma was Black too (Still alive, down the hall...) and I agree about being strong because they have had little choice. Poppa was a rolling stone was not directed at White men...


 That said I've had a father the entire time, either my real father (RIP) or "Ronnie B" my step pappy.


 Even he says BW are nutty and this go back to his dayz of being married to his ex Carroll and all the BW in Watts and Compton he dealt with. My real pops was a mack, he dated all sorts of women, some White (European) some Asian, some Black.


 I don't have much in common with most Black Men let alone Black Women, not saying I'm corny or sumthin, its just I'm a product of my environment. Suburbia at its finest, now its been invaded with inner city African-Americans and FOB Latinos, spraying up the retaining walls around here. That's just the tip of the nonsense, minor gang activity; even got the White trash kids doing dirt (Wha set your from, I heard on the best and surprised it was two White kids talking like that...). This old BM that I was with at the bus stop, said these kids (Latinos,White, Blacks) don't respect nothing.


 He's been living in SFV since the late 60's. He's right... Idle hands, youth unemployment is 19% last time I checked has those FOB's from across the way take up those fast food jobs that teenagers usually took not so long ago. I still see some students working at box people at supermarkets, but even that started to get invaded by adult immigrants and seniors who should be enjoying their golden years but can't make the pension check meet endz.


 Anyway, the goal this year is to finally get this done.


 There some tight BW in DR. I've been telling whinny ass BM to pack them bags and head south if they want as DJ Quik said "Sweet Black P***y".


 I'll skip it, I want vanilla or at least some butterscotch...


 


 Karisa from Sao Paulo, I originally found her on Black Planet, guess you know what that means... lol

Yeah, suprisingly I've found that as black men we get a lot more attention from light skinned, blue or green-eyed blondes as supposed to the morenas in the south of Brazil. Unfortunately that's never been my type.... You're focused on the right region if that's what you're looking for though. In my opinion being black in Colombia lowers your value no matter what. It's easy to find girls that will date you but there are still many that won't even consider it. I attribute this more to their physical preference in men as supposed to racism or overexaggerated stereotypes though.
 
In Argentina it's even easier. It's so rare that people in the bigger cities see black men (especially those that appear to be educated and successful) if a woman has ever been interested in dating men with darker skin they won't keep it a secret it. In Buenos Aires I sometimes have trouble figuring out if a woman is staring at me because they are interested, or they are amazed because they've never seen a black man wearing a suit in person.

[mambocowboy]

 In my opinion being black in Colombia lowers your value no matter what. It's easy to find girls that will date you but there are still many that won't even consider it. I attribute this more to their physical preference in men as supposed to racism or overexaggerated stereotypes though.
 

Being African-American , you'd know better than I . However, as you said there are plenty of people with "physical preference." My wife who is black with brown eyes, prefers white guys and the generally lighter eye color, but her sister, who has blue eyes, HAS TO HAVE a black guy. You could show her a homely black guy and she'd pick him over  a handsome white guy. Of course, there's always that other aphrodisiac, money, which can help women overlook physical preferences, including racial ones. My wife's friend who's a nurse fell hard for a less than handsome african american gringo with plenty of plata...That being said, maybe light skinned people are more "exotic" in BAQ. On my second trip to see my wife a bunch of the neighborhood kids stood at the front door to my wife's parents' house and stood there staring at me while I ate lunch. They literally stood there and stared at me for minutes on end like I was some exotic animal at the zoo, as though they'd never seen a tall white man before....

[fathertime]

Being African-American , you'd know better than I . However, as you said there are plenty of people with "physical preference." My wife who is black with brown eyes, prefers white guys and the generally lighter eye color, but her sister, who has blue eyes, HAS TO HAVE a black guy. You could show her a homely black guy and she'd pick him over  a handsome white guy. Of course, there's always that other aphrodisiac, money, which can help women overlook physical preferences, including racial ones. My wife's friend who's a nurse fell hard for a less than handsome african american gringo with plenty of plata...That being said, maybe light skinned people are more "exotic" in BAQ. On my second trip to see my wife a bunch of the neighborhood kids stood at the front door to my wife's parents' house and stood there staring at me while I ate lunch. They literally stood there and stared at me for minutes on end like I was some exotic animal at the zoo, as though they'd never seen a tall white man before....

Although I can appreciate most any good looking lady, I gravitate towards darker skin...that is just a preference...nothing to do with racism, i just like the look the most... 


Hey mambo, if we ever meet in SD, we better keep an eye on each other or we might swoop on each others wives! jajaja


Fathertime! 

[mambocowboy]

Although I can appreciate most any good looking lady, I gravitate towards darker skin...that is just a preference...nothing to do with racism, i just like the look the most... 


Hey mambo, if we ever meet in SD, we better keep an eye on each other or we might swoop on each others wives! jajaja


Fathertime! 

Gotta love them morenas

[whitey]

.That being said, maybe light skinned people are more "exotic" in BAQ. On my second trip to see my wife a bunch of the neighborhood kids stood at the front door to my wife's parents' house and stood there staring at me while I ate lunch. They literally stood there and stared at me for minutes on end like I was some exotic animal at the zoo, as though they'd never seen a tall white man before....

That's more or less exactly what my wife (barranquillera) said when reading Benjio's post yesterday ... black men are very common on the coast, but white guys aren't, therefore they are seen as more exotic and desirable for many.


Like FT, my personal taste gravitates to morenas.  Light skinned blondes don't do anything for me.  So, same situation in reverse.

[A_Thomas]

 Threads like these are fun, as long as they remain civilized.
 
 Paul Wall's crew was/is know as the Color Changin Click. His wifey is Black (Paul Wall is White if you don't know). Of course Robin Thicke, Alan Thicke's son, R&B singer is married to Bi-Racial Woman (Paula Patton). David Bowie and many others.


 White men to be honest have been able to date/marry who ever they want and its proven out by the man marriages on the various forums around the net. Doesn't matter if its Latins, Asians, Africans, African-Americans or other Europeans.


 For Black men its different and I won't get into the history of the United States but I think you all know what I am talking about.


 Because of this fact, BM's self confidence on average is not nearly as high as it should be. So there is always constant discussions of personal safety usually stemming from experiences with Americans being projected on others of similar appearance.


 The truth is, BM can go into any country and find at least a few women that would be interested in him and that find BM attractive.


 Then again....  (We are) "Lost in a storm" - Chubb Rock


 


 

[Bob_S]

White men to be honest have been able to date/marry who ever they want and its proven out by the man marriages on the various forums around the net. Doesn't matter if its Latins, Asians, Africans, African-Americans or other Europeans.

Not necessarily.  Numbers are a tricky thing.  While the number of white American male marriages outside their race or ethnic group is larger, typically to Asian women mostly and then Hispanic, they only constitute about 2.3% of all WAM married men.  Whereas nearly 11% of Black American men who do marry marry outside their race, though the vast majority are to white chicks.  So seeking a Latina wife is not so much bucking the overall trend of marrying outside your race as it is slightly shifting the statistics within that subset of which ethnic group you do chose as a spouse.

[bcc_1_2]

I can't speak on the stats. But I would suspect if I traveled to Latin America and Asia with a black friend... I'd probably have it easier than him. The same can likely be said about the FSU countries. Those seem to be the three popular destinations for male tourists looking for the ladies... so I think realistically it doesn't hurt to be a white guy from the USA or western Europe when going to these places.
I've definitely heard racism towards dark skinned people in general traveling south. Verbal bad mouthing, talking down, that sort of thing.

[Brazilophile]

Mrs. Obama's "Freudian Slip" is an example of what I perceive with American women generally, but Black American women in particular.  A Black man decides to run to become president of the US.  He necessarily spends considerable time away from home campaigning, AND SUCCEEDS.  His wife publicly states that she sometimes feels like a single mother. 

In my opinion, an educated intelligent woman who consensually married an intelligent ambitious man should have known what she as getting into and NOT COMPLAIN afterwards.  SHE WAS NOT FORCED INTO THIS MARRIAGE.  She experienced part of this when her husband successfully campaigned for the Senate.  If she didn't want a husband who accomplishes things she should have married someone else; not marry him and then complain about who he allocates his time.

Her comment may have been taken out of context.  I just find that the event a Black American man making history and a Black American woman focusing the negative aspects of it, occurs too frequently in the present and has occurred too frequently over the past 30 years or so.

[bcc_1_2]

eh I wouldn't read too much into that. Maybe Mrs Obama is trying to relate to single moms or something. I suspect the Obamas actually get along really well and it is not just a show like Bill & Hill. The Obamas also have grandma staying in the house plus all that staff. I'm sure the stress is quite intense but they have plenty of resources and help in taking care of the kids. I wouldn't read anything into it.

[benjio]

eh I wouldn't read too much into that. Maybe Mrs Obama is trying to relate to single moms or something. I suspect the Obamas actually get along really well and it is not just a show like Bill & Hill. The Obamas also have grandma staying in the house plus all that staff. I'm sure the stress is quite intense but they have plenty of resources and help in taking care of the kids. I wouldn't read anything into it.

Michelle Obama displays the classic Black American Female characteristic of wanting to be an equal to her husband in all aspects, but I'd suspect a man being the most powerful person on Earth would sort of calm that desire down a bit. She is a good compliment to him and I don't believe she's a bad wife in the respect that we think of most black women in the United States. Who knows what goes on behind the walls of the White House though.