Colombian Cupid: Good, Bad and Short

[JimD]

Speaking of the “Cupid” sites I’m new to Colombian Cupid.  Like AL I am in Colombia and can actually meet girls I make contact with.  I don’t wait for them to be online to chat on Cupido and I don’t mess with hotmail messenger. I just send them mail via the cupido site and see what happens. So here are some observations from that standpoint. You have to be very careful with the photos they post. On more occasions than I care to mention I’ve looked long and hard at a photo/photos and decided yeah ok I’ll meet her. When I see her in person I ask myself how in hell did she get a camera to make her look that good?!  For example they may be pretty (or sort of)  and figure ok (at least from what you can see in the strategic photo)  but turn out to be a near dwarf (very common) .  I´ve learned that any profiles with just a single photo or profiles with several pictures but all of her face ie no full body shots are suspect.  They are fat plain and simple.  I´ve also found that tgirls who answer my first email with their cel bumber are fat.  Further I suspect many of the hot looking young ones are on the site solely to chat with foreigners with the goal of sooner or later soliciting moneygrams. Such girls obviously have fulltime boyfriends and nothing could be less convenient for them than having to actually meet a gringo in Cali (or pick your city). Of the eight or ten I´ve met in person so far I would say one was quality with actual wife potencial. The rest were enanas whose real life appearance didn´t hold a candle to their photos.

[fathertime]

  The rest were enanas whose real life appearance didn´t hold a candle to their photos.

I don't know how these enanas pull it off but a few years ago I thought I choose to meet a great looking athletic curvy babe and when she showed up she was under 5 feet tall and she also literally looked lopsided.  I was amazed she could hide it and photograph so well.




Fathertime! 

[Gato4Astrid]

Such girls obviously have fulltime boyfriends and nothing could be less convenient for them than having to actually meet a gringo in Cali (or pick your city).

Some of them work as webcam girls  (In other words as webcam prostitutes)

[pablito]

That's happened to me using Internet dating locally in Canada too, I don't know if it's any more common in Cupid than any other site.  Generally, I think the hotter, sluttier (holy headlights, Batman!) and more professional-looking the photo the greater the chance of false advertising.

Coming from a distance, there's a number of methods I've been using to ensure that the girl bears some passing resemblance to the photo, the primary one being video chat.  There was one girl in Arentina who looked fine in the foto, but when I saw her in video-chat, my jaw dropped (no web-cam girl attire, just a beautiful face).  Another girl in Peru that I Skyped with also generally looked better on-camera than in her pictures.


I also related the story early on in my e-mail/chats about my experiences with false advertising with Internet dating as a joke, but at the same time explain how trust is important in a relationship, and I couldn't trust someone who misrepresents themselves.

Another girl, the one that I hope to meet in Costa Rica, and I have become Facebook friends, and her Facebook page didn't date from a week before we met, has some pictures of her with family friends, and no, she doesn't have 1,000 friends either.  When I told her my story about the Internet dating experience, the next day she sent me some photos she said she'd taken that day, and has also occasionally added fotos to her wall for me.  When we were chatting, I asked if we could videochat in Skype, she said OK, I need to get the computer ready, it'll be ready tomorrow, and we were on Skype the next day.  Nothing in life is guaranteed, but these are all positive signs, not just in the looks are as claimed department but in the she hears and responds to my concerns and does what she says departments also.

[dennislevy]

All lof these comments are good.

The other DON T I might add is be wary of women who have jaw dropping fotos but list themselves as STUDENTS

When I traveled in Colombia for 7 months from November 10 to Jul 11 , i used Colombian Cupid  exclusively and 49 of the 50 new women I met were from Cupid.  To an extent I also used Cupid whenI lived in Bogota and Medellin.

I ve tried both ways on cupid, inittiating  a chat, wriitng an emial. I tried to answer every email I got and almost every chat...even if meant looling at their photos and scanning their profile for 15 seconds.....even if they were unattractive women....

 and thEN honestly I oculd reply, I looked at your profile and I Am niot the man for you.

I never looked for women who were jaw droppers in their fotos  jsut women who I thought were attractive and more,   All told, from mid 2009  util the end of june 2011, I met 70 to 80 women based on iniitial cupido contact all throughout Colombia, 50 of them were in those seven months on the road.

I have NO complaints, I learned a lot about  women, I improved my Spanish, and IeaRned how to quallfy, really qualify women.

I remember that both Andy Lee and ii have written extensivley about cupid...so if anyone is i9nterested they can do a searchand checck the threads

To use the web site to its full advantage I think a man  has to be in Colombia or be no more then 60 to 90 days, away form a trip to Colombia, other wise  its jsut a chat site.

Some things I have done to qualify women.
1. I asked  then their age, as in their  specific date of biith.  I was always been truthful aBOUut mine and I ve told women...if we meet    at the first cita, I´m gong to  to ask you  if I can see oyur cediula.....

2. I tiied  to have the ocnversationa about sexual attiudes and values at the earlest approproate time but in a gentlemany way.

The way tio do this is NOT to ask a woman if she likes sex.......jejejeje!

3. If i was in a  city and looking to fill in some time, I looked at women who were were from that city who were chatting on cupido at that moment or from no more then 2 days before....  I wasnt that direct with qualification, and there were some  one and outs, but I remember with a smile on my face some same day or day after citas after the fiirst chat..that turned into sleepovers...

All in all at least for Colombia,  I think cupido is a perfect venue for smart guys.

Im using latincuopido right now and ginning  up a dating campaign for Lima, Peru in ealry octOber.

Caballeros, vayan con Dios!




   

[AndyLee]

I remember that both Andy Lee and i have written extensivley about cupid...so if anyone is i9nterested they can do a searchand checck the threads

right on DL.....I like both ColombianCuipid and LatinAmericanCupid. Over 3 years I've had 8 girlfriends from these two sites. These are women like I would never be able to date in the US.........late 30's and early 40's, attractive, sexy, and for the most part not neurotic.
I'm now living with the woman of my dreams and we met through Colombian Cupid.


By the way Dennis, it's good to see you posting here again, welcome back. thanks for all the reports on Ecuador. If I decide to go there, based on your feedback, I'll go for the food and the prices, not for the women. Good luck in Peru.

[AndyLee]

Another girl, the one that I hope to meet in Costa Rica, and I have become Facebook friends, and her Facebook page didn't date from a week before we met, has some pictures of her with family friends, and no, she doesn't have 1,000 friends either.  When I told her my story about the Internet dating experience, the next day she sent me some photos she said she'd taken that day, and has also occasionally added fotos to her wall for me.  When we were chatting, I asked if we could videochat in Skype, she said OK, I need to get the computer ready, it'll be ready tomorrow, and we were on Skype the next day.  Nothing in life is guaranteed, but these are all positive signs, not just in the looks are as claimed department but in the she hears and responds to my concerns and does what she says departments also.

This is a good story Pablito. It points out something I've been thinking for a long time. When a woman is REALLY INTO you she will do what it takes to persuade you she wants you and she will do anything you ask her to do as soon as it is possible. She will open new Internet accounts, take new photos, meet you on video chat, call you on the cell phone, dress up nice for the video chats.
Her letters to you will be longer and full of good news and lots of questions. She will even smother you a little bit with questions and concerns about your life. She just wants you to be happy.
In my experience about 1 out of 200 will be this nice to you, they are the vein of gold in the wall of rock.

[dennislevy]

Andy et al.

I dont want to give the impression rthat that Ecuasdior is just about good food and cheap prices.

I met peple from a buinch of countries who came for eco tourism,


And althiough I havent yet posted about it,  on the spur of the moment  moments, I went to the Galapagos Isands for 5 days...the islands are 900 miles off the coast of Ecuasdor...... Lots of incredible species of animals...incrediible scener.y

In Ecuadior, I didnt climb any inactive volcanoes..Im not in that kind f shaoe .but took cable cars part way up a couple mountains ...but if someone jsut wants to see beautiful natural  sights...

then Ecuadior is impressive!

OK, over and out, dont wanto hijack the thread.

[opusone]

Speaking of the “Cupid” sites I’m new to Colombian Cupid.  Like AL I am in Colombia and can actually meet girls I make contact with.  I don’t wait for them to be online to chat on Cupido and I don’t mess with hotmail messenger. I just send them mail via the cupido site and see what happens. So here are some observations from that standpoint. You have to be very careful with the photos they post. On more occasions than I care to mention I’ve looked long and hard at a photo/photos and decided yeah ok I’ll meet her. When I see her in person I ask myself how in hell did she get a camera to make her look that good?!  For example they may be pretty (or sort of)  and figure ok (at least from what you can see in the strategic photo)  but turn out to be a near dwarf (very common) .  I´ve learned that any profiles with just a single photo or profiles with several pictures but all of her face ie no full body shots are suspect.  They are fat plain and simple.  I´ve also found that tgirls who answer my first email with their cel bumber are fat.  Further I suspect many of the hot looking young ones are on the site solely to chat with foreigners with the goal of sooner or later soliciting moneygrams. Such girls obviously have fulltime boyfriends and nothing could be less convenient for them than having to actually meet a gringo in Cali (or pick your city). Of the eight or ten I´ve met in person so far I would say one was quality with actual wife potencial. The rest were enanas whose real life appearance didn´t hold a candle to their photos.

Man, Jim,


You're like a patriot missile , shooting down a lot of the "scud" missile myths about, Colombianas. Granted every man has his own experience, but its good to read things from a different perspective.  A lot of guys have 'ginned' up Colombia to be such a perfect place to find a wife, that everything else goes so unchecked when a newbie makes out his list of things to look for. You would swear not one Colombiana, is fat , ugly, or want you for your money, which is so untrue. I think the ratios  for any of the cupid sites are a about the same when trying to find an honest girl who isn't a cunning opportunist. In fairness, I think Brazilian women on their respective sites are not as known for all the games I've seen on the others and appear more genuine and true to what you hear and see. In summary, when you do find the right Colombiana (and this takes time unless you're father time) ,there is no comparison to it when you factor in all the qualities that makes a man call his mother with good news.. YMMV

[AndyLee]

but turn out to be a near dwarf (very common) .






 Of the eight or ten I´ve met in person so far I would say one was quality with actual wife potencial. The rest were enanas whose real life appearance didn´t hold a candle to their photos.

Well said JimD.....all points well made.


I think the dwarfism has to do with a recessive Indigenous gene, or two. I'm pretty astounded when I stand in Mass and I'm the tallest man in the church, at only 5'9".


Your experience is very similar to mine.....out of 1000 Colombian women only 100 will be wife material and only 10 of them will be outstanding. What's that, about 1%? Still better odds than AWs in my honest opinion.

[pablito]

This is a good story Pablito. It points out something I've been thinking for a long time. When a woman is REALLY INTO you she will do what it takes to persuade you she wants you and she will do anything you ask her to do as soon as it is possible. She will open new Internet accounts, take new photos, meet you on video chat, call you on the cell phone, dress up nice for the video chats.
Her letters to you will be longer and full of good news and lots of questions. She will even smother you a little bit with questions and concerns about your life. She just wants you to be happy.
In my experience about 1 out of 200 will be this nice to you, they are the vein of gold in the wall of rock.

Thanks Andy for the feedback, I certainly do feel very much like she is into me, and she does pretty much everything you mentioned.  She was the one who found me on Facebook and invited me to be a friend, knowing my location from my profile and my name from our MSN correspondence.  I thought that definitely showed interest, and some gumption.  But I'm definitely trying not to get ahead of myself and to keep to reasonable expectations, otherwise I'll be hard pressed to live up to the cyber image she has of me!

[Zon]

QUOTE = Some of them work as webcam girls  (In other words as webcam prostitutes)

web cam PROSTITUTES ?  I do not think I have every heard of anything soooo stupid.  What does undressing in a private booth / bedroom in front of a computer have in common with prostitution?!?!?!?  I know a lot about these two activities and one has nothing to do with the other. 

[AndyLee]

QUOTE = Some of them work as webcam girls  (In other words as webcam prostitutes)

web cam PROSTITUTES ?  I do not think I have every heard of anything soooo stupid.  What does undressing in a private booth / bedroom in front of a computer have in common with prostitution?!?!?!?  I know a lot about these two activities and one has nothing to do with the other.

oh, oh, here we go again......Rese and FT where are you? We need you.
According to Gato, a girl who sells her images via video is a prostitute. Does that mean a Playboy Centerfold is a prostitute because she sells her images via photography?
IMHO, Zon is correct, there is a vast difference in web cam and prostitution. But, I only know both of the them by reputation, not by experience. 

[JimD]

True Andy however in my (albeit limited) experience the two activities tend to be connected. It´s sort of like that old saw about pot leading to heavier drugs. I´ve somehow met three girls in recent months who are webcam girls. Two of them are prepagos.

[AndyLee]

True Andy however in my (albeit limited) experience the two activities tend to be connected. It´s sort of like that old saw about pot leading to heavier drugs. I´ve somehow met three girls in recent months who are webcam girls. Two of them are prepagos.

Good point, JimD.....first she smokes a cigarette, then a weed, then pop a pill or two, then the next thing you know she is mainlining the bad stuff......
So, first she is gives a couple blow jobs in the back of the gym, then she is a promiscuous girlfriend, then she turns her hand at web cam performances.
A guy likes her so he buys her a set of tits if she pops his nut a few times each month, next thing you know she's turning tricks full time and the next thing after that she's mainlining hard drugs and hard men at the same time and winds up screwed.....yes, I think these activities are connected. What begins innocently enough ends tragically.

[Traveler]

I agree that it's likely for a webcam girl to transition into a full prostitute.  Are Playboy centerfolds prostitues?  No.  They don't do anything sexual besides getting naked for money.  Webcam girls actually do sexual activities for money.  I don't really see any fundamental difference between the two, except the former based on my limited experience do not make any money, and the whole concept is silly.  But surprisingly there are plenty of people willing to pay for this type of "entertainment".

[opusone]

QUOTE = Some of them work as webcam girls  (In other words as webcam prostitutes)

web cam PROSTITUTES ?  I do not think I have every heard of anything soooo stupid.  What does undressing in a private booth / bedroom in front of a computer have in common with prostitution?!?!?!?  I know a lot about these two activities and one has nothing to do with the other.

Zon,


 I don't think that Gato's statement should be categorized  as"stupid". He did say that some, (which is true) do in fact, double as prostitutes. They may have not started as such, and some may never sell themselves as such, but they are enough women who are "web-cam girls" (an adjective to describe girls who take off their clothes and do your bidding via web cam) who, invariably double as prostitutes for the right price. Sort of like strippers. Not all strippers sell themselves, but the  conventional wisdom is that if  a woman is spreading her legs for an innumerable amount of strangers  and showing her "meow" ( for money of course) she is probably one that can be bought for the right price. It's her right by the way.

[AndyLee]

I agree that it's likely for a webcam girl to transition into a full prostitute.  Are Playboy centerfolds prostitues?  No.  They don't do anything sexual besides getting naked for money.  Webcam girls actually do sexual activities for money.  I don't really see any fundamental difference between the two, except the former based on my limited experience do not make any money, and the whole concept is silly.  But surprisingly there are plenty of people willing to pay for this type of "entertainment".

Are you saying that Playboy Centerfolds don't make any money? Or web cam girls don't make any money? Either way, I'm terribly disappointed. Seems like they both should be compensated well for their attributes and skills.
I agree, Gato's statement is not "stupid" it's just his viewpoint on the topic. Like saying no question is stupid then no view point is stupid.
So, the part of prostitution that makes it worth the money is the physical contact. Lacking the physical contact, as in web cam girl, then the "john" i.e. customer is paying money for what? Visual images?
So when you buy a Playboy magazine are you buying it for the articles? Nope, you're buying it for the visual images.
Do you pay the web cam girl directly? No, you pay the web site she works for (Zon's end of the business). Do you pay the Playboy Centerfold directly? No, you pay the magazine she works for (Again, Zon's end of the business). When you hire a pro on main street do you pay her directly? No, the money goes to the pimp she works for. Even if you hand her the bills she will pass them on to her boss.
These are all, in most cases, her choice as pointed out in the previous post.
Sometimes it's not her choice, it's the only job she can get.

[opusone]

I once asked a very beautiful high end prostitute what was the reason for selling "meow" , to which she posed this to me " .. "Who would you say is worse off, the girl who stayed with you for 5 years and walked away with nothing or me who who gave you the same "meow" and now I have shoes, cars, home, clothing, and everything else I want"? I happily agreed with her assessment, and asked her how much?   

[Zon]

Well, from my experience ...

- the models who last in real companies have to be responsible and apply themselves.  That means getting to work at 7;00 AM sharp and doing a tough job for 7 - 8 hours a day.  (almost impossible for a US performer to work those shifts.

- the personality types are either desperate and / or motivated.  The models come from poor families, and are able to make 1000 - 1200 a month (good money there).  Or, students paying for college.

- not all models are compromised ethically (meaning party girls that do drugs, have many boyfriends, etc..)

- web cam activities are benign.  There is less biological and physical danger. There is privacy and protection in the businesses. 

- In many studios, there is child care / baby sitting; language classes, ; full kitchens preparing meals for the entire staff - 90 models a day.

- I have a good friend that runs 4 studios in Colombia - over 200 models.   When I was in Cali, he drove EVERY NIGHT 2 hours to give one of the former models important medication at his own cost of 50 bucks USA a day.  He did this EVERY  NIGHT for 2 weeks.  I don't think the reality of his relationship to his staff (or his wife's; daughter's; or son's relationship with the staff) conforms to these images of a pimp. 

EXCEPTION TO THE RULE?  of course, but you get my point.

=====

I dated many Russian and Romanian immigrants in New York City, and the same thing applies.  The women are Young and beautiful. They have unmet physical needs, and there are many options for them to solve those issues.  That is life, and it can be a slippery slope.  But, these are best understood as individual based judgements.   

would I ever date a web cam model?  Duh!  yep.  would I ever date a prepago?  been there / done that.  (one man's prepago is another man's wife).  would I want / allow my girlfriend to do either - hell no.   would I ever consider a woman to be my wife if she has ever done those things?  I can't imagine so.

[opusone]

 


would I ever date a web cam model?  Duh!  yep.  would I ever date a prepago?  been there / done that.  (one man's prepago is another man's wife).  would I want / allow my girlfriend to do either - hell no.   would I ever consider a woman to be my wife if she has ever done those things?  I can't imagine so.

So you would date a web cam model, dated a prepago, yet you wouldn't allow your girlfriend to do either. So, is the word "date" in your paragraph defined as just sex? Or did you date them because you were looking for a girlfriend?

[Zon]

to me a girlfriend has commitments ... dating is what a single guy does when he is not working or getting drunk with the boys:) entirely different things.

For DATING, I only concern myself with physical attraction, chemistry = > I got to have a degree of honesty too.  For example, both the women I mentioned above admitted to me that they had novios during our time together.  The older woman told me "say the word, and the other guy is chau pescado".  The younger women had a boyfriend in a far off pueblo.    I would rather know the truth than be the one that is being lied to for sure.  I make an excellent medio novio, anyway.

I tend to take more traditional women, with some basis and foundation, much more seriously.

[opusone]

to me a girlfriend has commitments ... dating is what a single guy does when he is not working or getting drunk with the boys:) entirely different things.

For DATING, I only concern myself with physical attraction, chemistry = > I got to have a degree of honesty too.  For example, both the women I mentioned above admitted to me that they had novios during our time together.  The older woman told me "say the word, and the other guy is chau pescado".  The younger women had a boyfriend in a far off pueblo.    I would rather know the truth than be the one that is being lied to for sure.  I make an excellent medio novio, anyway.

I tend to take more traditional women, with some basis and foundation, much more seriously.

What if the "web -cam model, or prepago you were dating, decided to quit her "job"? Would you consider dating her in terms of a girlfriend? You did say "one man's prepago is another man's wife"

[AndyLee]

So you would date a web cam model, dated a prepago, yet you wouldn't allow your girlfriend to do either. So, is the word "date" in your paragraph defined as just sex? Or did you date them because you were looking for a girlfriend?

See, Zon, there's one of the problems in your communications methodology. You tend to contradict yourself, sometimes even in the same sentence. That's not a bad thing  necessarily. It could be ADD or it could be brilliance. At any rate, I tend to agree at least in principle with your viewpoint.
For example, when I was dating I spent a considerable amount of money each month on travel, meals, hotels, gifts etc. I got laid occasionally and it was always fun. In my estimation my "dates" were sometimes trading their sexual favors for the nice restaurant meals and the gifts. So, in the exact sense of the word, these are prepagos which means prepaid girlfriend (since your Spanish is so horrible ).


Financially I might have been better off to stay home in my pueblo and have one of the local girls, a prepago, come over from time to time and meet my sexual needs and in exchange I'd give her a gift of either money or something she really wanted like an iPod or bigger tits let's say.


So, let me ask you, what is the difference between prepago and prostitute? Do we call them prepagos because they sell sex for money and gifts but they only do it part time?
If that's the case then why don't we call her a part time prostitute, or a semi-pro?
Do we call her a prepago because she has a real boyfriend and a pay for play boyfriend and she is the girlfriend of the first one and prostitute of the second one?
Is she a prepago because she has an ongoing relationship with ONLY me for pay and comes to blow my pipes a couple times each week and the rest of the time she hangs out with her friends? Again, why don't we call her a semi-pro?


Confusing, yes?


However, a web cam girl is easy to describe. She strips and does sexual  tricks on camera for men (or women) who pay the web site a lot of money. I don't get it. Why isn't a web cam girl a prepago? Why isn't she a semi pro? For that matter, why isn't she a prostitute? She's selling sex, whether there is any "touch" involved, it's still sex.
Damn, I just wore myself out trying to understand all this.

[opusone]

See, Zon, there's one of the problems in your communications methodology. You tend to contradict yourself, sometimes even in the same sentence. That's not a bad thing  necessarily. It could be ADD or it could be brilliance. At any rate, I tend to agree at least in principle with your viewpoint.

 

Well, Andy, it's a small world, and Zon makes it a little smaller for people like you and me. I think when we say "I'm going on a date" most people would see this as you are going out with a girl to see if things would work out for even more dates and eventually a relationship. This is why I asked him to clarify what "date" means. Now, when someone goes out on a "date" with a prepago(prostitute), I think the conventional wisdom is that, he , is one of many "dates", she will be having that day/evening. I can't imagine telling my friends that I am going out on a "date" with the hooker on 9th street and therefore they should "wish me luck, since this might be the one". In the escort business, "date" is often described as the "john" for the time/money spent. The lines can get blurred with such words, but I'm sure Zon knows this business better than you , me, and this entire board put together.