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Offline Osa

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Long Term Goal: Building a Dream House in Colombia
« on: January 07, 2011, 04:50:49 PM »
I decided some time ago that I would like to build a dream abroad, and eventually retire there.  Here is the long term plan; its needs details, advice, figures, critiques, and most, importantly, personal connections.

Rough Plan for Dreamhouse in Cali, Colombia

LAND

1) I want to buy a lot (terrain) on which to build my house within the next two years.  I hear very disparate numbers on how much a this land will cost.  When I was in Colombia last March, we took a few days to look at lots. In Yumbo, a small village to the north of Cali, nice lots seemed to go as low as $3,000 to $4,000.  When I look at websites on the subject though, lots seem to be *starting* at around $30,000,000 CPs.  Anyone have buying experience they'd wish to share?

2) I am looking for about 3 acres.  Definitely not less than two.

3) I need the confidence that the land is developable before I buy.  What is the process for having an engineer/surveyor check out the place before the deal is sealed?

4) Yumbo, for example, is too far from the action.  I know my girl wants to live closer to Cali.  I dont want to live in Cali exactly, but on the outskirts, with a view looking down upon it, would be perfect.  Any neighborhood suggestions?

5) Any other tips for getting local prices, and not rip-off-the-american prices?  I plan on doing this with my girl and her mother, who, though poor, is pretty street smart

ARCHITECT

1) I have made a few architect friends over the years, but I am open to meeting one is perfectly adequate for this job.  Should I hire someone from the states, or someone local to Cali, Colombia?

2) I have a basic design laid out.  How well can the architect design the home given that he doesn't know what the terrain will be like?

3) How much can I expect to pay a competent architect?

BUILDING PROCESS

1) I plan on living in the US, with my wife, for the next 18 years.  The plan is to build the house slowly over about 10 years, vacation there once its done while we can, and then retire there in 18 years.  

2) In other words, i would not be there to supervise the building, which I heard can be suicidal.  Again, I am hoping that my soon to be mother in law, and brother in law, can be my eyes and ears in Colombia during the building. Perhaps we can arrange to have her visit the site at least once a week to hold workers accountable.  Do you think this will work?  I need to plan ahead to not get ripped off.

3) Once the building is designed, I need the foreman/master planner/engineer or whoever the divide the project into distinct phases. I will be paying for this project with cash (no loans), so I want to subsidize each phase of the project when i have the money to do so.  For example, if we come up with Phase 1: laying the foundation = $10,000, then I will provide $10,000 for that phase, and I dont want to hear about "we ran out of money on phase one we need more money."  No way. Anyway, when phase 1 is finished, it needs to be "building the basic infrastructure and plumbing = $12,000" or whatever.  And I might be like "Okay I dont have the $12,000 now, but I should in 9 to 12 months, and I'll give it to you then. In the meantime, take a break from this project and do other work."  When I was in colombia I was told many people build in cash this way, and I also saw this "slow building" when i visited West Africa.

OTHER THOUGHTS

1) My soon to be mother in law might be key to alot of this.  If she can help supervise with the building, and once building is done, move into the place and take care of it while we are not there (who wouldnt want to move into a luxury house and house-sit it for the pitance of keeping it safe and clean?).  Anyone had experience with something like this?  How did it go?

2) I get a whole WIDE range of figures as to how much this whole project will cost.  I have been telling myself I can do the whole thing for about $250,000.  I think the key is to not get ripped off.  Not getting ripped off by outrageous high prices, and not getting stolen from (materials, man hours) throughout the process.

3) Does anyone know of website that deals precisely with this topic (building a house abroad or specifically in colombia)?  Actually, a good forum for expatriates in Colombia would be great.

Thanks in advance

cross posted on:
planet-love.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ColombiaExperts
http://colombia.vanillaforums.com/
theflipsideforum.com
« Last Edit: January 07, 2011, 05:01:15 PM by Osa »

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Re: Long Term Goal: Building a Dream House in Colombia
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2011, 10:30:25 PM »
the idea of doing it all with cash sounds really good to me.

i am not sure what problems you will run into if you can't be there while the house is under construction. I know in the Philippines you order materials & then want to use them up quickly so they don't "grow legs"
my understanding is also if you wait till you are out of materials the workers will be really happy because they then get to sit around for a day or 2 until the new batch of materials arrive.

maybe you could take a month off a year so that you could be there while the building is taking place??

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Re: Long Term Goal: Building a Dream House in Colombia
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2011, 10:49:24 PM »
I'm sure you will hear this from your architect, but make sure you get a proper survey of the site and take care of any drainage or erosion issues and make sure your architect has that information. The integrity of the landscape is going to play a large factor on the cost and structure required to compensate for any issues.

Also, I think the design you have is pretty cool, but I'm a guy. Got a industrial look going for ya. Have you showed her your design?

Right now I'm doing a bit of brainstorming for a house design. You are focusing on aesthetics in your design. My design emphasizes large interior spaces while maintaining extreme energy efficiency and keeping costs down. (Dude, consider basements if the soil conditions permit. You will save a lot of money each year on cooling.)

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Re: Long Term Goal: Building a Dream House in Colombia
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2011, 10:49:24 PM »

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Re: Long Term Goal: Building a Dream House in Colombia
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2011, 12:57:59 AM »
You could ask the same question in http://colombia.vanillaforums.com/ because I remembered one of them had done almost the same way as you did.

As for Architect, I would recommend you to have a Colombian architect rather than USA, because it would cost you lots of money as architects would need to visit the site - not just once but few times if required.   I used to work as an architectural technican - about 20 years ago - my 1st job lol.   You would also need a surveyor to check the ground where you plan to put your dream house on.


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Re: Long Term Goal: Building a Dream House in Colombia
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2011, 01:53:41 PM »
Dudes,  I totally forgot i posted this here, so sorry if it seemed like I was ignoring. I'm still stoked about building this house. But more stoked about bringing my girl home as that is seeming imminent now

@woody - yes my girl has seen the design and she likes it.  The deal we have made is I will design the house and she will be responsible for the interior design

Can anyone recommend an architect in the cali area? And a surveyor?

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Re: Long Term Goal: Building a Dream House in Colombia
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2011, 03:44:33 PM »
Osa -

I can recommend not to build anything here,  unless you are here to supervise,  and put your foot up a culo.  But a good plan,  using local materials and being here,  you can get things without spending tons,  for sure.

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Re: Long Term Goal: Building a Dream House in Colombia
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