37 illegals found locked in a bedroom

[fathertime]

    I was happy as I began to read this story about 37 suspected illegals that were found/captured in a drop house here in S. California. They were being ‘stored’ for several days with little if any food.  I thought they would be deported back to their home countries and the cruel perpetrators would be jailed….but NO No NO,  I read that these illegals could possibly be eligible for a VICTIMS VISA which would entitle them to stay right here in the USA.  I can’t believe something this absurd is going to happen.  These dodo’s put themselves in this position to be victimized by human smugglers, and now they get rewarded by our ridiculous country.  Once again I am questioning why I am paying anything into this system, and why should I have to obey laws when others are rewarded for breaking them.
  By the way, so far none of the human smugglers have been arrested either.

Fathertime! 

[william3rd]

Sucks doesnt it? Just as the anchor children or green card girls situations suck. Bring one and then their children come and then their mothers and father, brothers and sister, nieces and nephews, aunts and uncles, secret BF back home after she divorces you. One greencard girl can bring 50 or more if you give her enough time.

[Shadow_mas]

Yeah it totally sucks that people were misled by some criminals, who managed to take their life savings promising a better life and were paid 37 x $25.000 at least.
For this they should be punished and sent to prison back home, before returning them to the streets as their home will be gone.
I hope next time a scam story appear here you will tell the guy he deserved to lose his money and should never date again.

[Jeff S]

The guy mislead by the dating scammer doesn't knowingly set out to commit a crime in the first place.

[Dave H]

Once again I am questioning why I am paying anything into this system, and why should I have to obey laws when others are rewarded for breaking them.
  
Fathertime!  

Hey Fathertime,

I am sure glad I can now answer "I don't" to all of the above!  

When I first read the headline, I thought that there were 37 "foreign" chicks locked in a bedroom...which sounded pretty nice to me!   I guess those femNazis have brainwashed me into automatically thinking "sex trafficking of women."...NOT!

Dave

[fathertime]

Yeah it totally sucks that people were misled by some criminals, who managed to take their life savings promising a better life and were paid 37 x $25.000 at least.
For this they should be punished and sent to prison back home, before returning them to the streets as their home will be gone.
I hope next time a scam story appear here you will tell the guy he deserved to lose his money and should never date again.

The story is for all to read and make observations on.  I’ve made mine.  Based on your misrepresentations it would appear you have a different point of view, so what exactly is it?  Nothing was said about ‘sending them to prison’ back home (although it wouldn't be a bad idea).  Why should us taxpayers house and pay for their healthcare/food and other prison costs? 
 I doubt I will being telling anybody not to date because they got scammed, because the comparison  is apples to oranges.  So lets hear another point of view, what do you want done with these 37 illegals?

here is the link to the story.  http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-drop-house-20100909,0,1859063.story

Fathertime!

[Shadow_mas]

When reading I put various questions.

1. What is the citizenship of the supposed smugglers.
2. Only those who were assaulted by the smugglers might possibly be eligible for a victims visa. It seems doubtful from the text that all 37 will be.
3. Do you or anyone here know what is told to these people before they land in the house ? Then why are you so sure they committed a crime ? It is clear from the description that they are victims of a crime though.
4. Deportation will most often land people at best in the police office in the country of origin. Not many countries will just welcome them back home and give them a free ride from the airport.

What should be done ? They should be given a chance in return for cooperation to stop the smugglers line from doing their dirty business. If they do not wish to help out, send hem home. If they do give them what they were promised and paid their money for. Get it back from those who are smuggling people.

[Jeff S]

1. What is the citizenship of the supposed smugglers.

Nearly all "alleged" smugglers are illegal aliens themselves - so most likely Mexican citizens.

3. Do you or anyone here know what is told to these people before they land in the house ? Then why are you so sure they committed a crime ? It is clear from the description that they are victims of a crime though.

Trust me... everyone in Mexico and Latin America knows it's illegal to come into the US. Otherwise they wouldn't hire coyotes to smuggle them in. They HIRED the smugglers to help them commit a crime. That's a crime in and of itself.

4. Deportation will most often land people at best in the police office in the country of origin. Not many countries will just welcome them back home and give them a free ride from the airport.

Mexico does. No one deported to Mexico ends up in jail in Mexico for their act of entering the US illegally - ZERO. I've never heard of any other Latin American country punishing those deproted back to their home country. Mexico not only welcomes them back but also gives them instructions on how not to get caught as fast next time.

[fathertime]

When reading I put various questions.

1. What is the citizenship of the supposed smugglers.
2. Only those who were assaulted by the smugglers might possibly be eligible for a victims visa. It seems doubtful from the text that all 37 will be.
3. Do you or anyone here know what is told to these people before they land in the house ? Then why are you so sure they committed a crime ? It is clear from the description that they are victims of a crime though.
4. Deportation will most often land people at best in the police office in the country of origin. Not many countries will just welcome them back home and give them a free ride from the airport.

What should be done ? They should be given a chance in return for cooperation to stop the smugglers line from doing their dirty business. If they do not wish to help out, send hem home. If they do give them what they were promised and paid their money for. Get it back from those who are smuggling people.

Thank you for expressing your point of view.  I disagree with some of your assertions that have led you to this point of view. 

1. I don’t believe for a moment that these people aren’t fully aware that what they are doing is illegal. 

2. How exactly are we going to extract money from these criminals if we capture them?  In nearly all circumstances, there is no way we are going to offset the costs.  If anything, the criminals are going to be an additional cost to the system.

3. We have no way of knowing who is a ‘victim’ but it would seem to me that all 37 could make that claim and back each other up on it. 

4. To use the example of a Mexican that was deported back to Mexico being given jail time. I have a very hard time believing that to be the case but if you can provide me a source showing that to be the case I will stand corrected.  Even still, these individuals have committed a crime by entering the USA illegally, and should suffer some consequence.   It is better for our country if that consequence is on the nickel of their home country. 

Are you living in the US?  This is a huge cost to our system and those few times we actually do capture illegals in a bulk like this, we need to damn well get them back to their home countries.  We should be fingerprinting them too, and if they come back a second time, give them 10 years hard labor. 


One thing your comments do make me wonder is, how will human smugglers be prosecuted if the witnesses are all outside the USA.   I want to see them prosecuted too, but I don’t want us to have to make citizens out of all the ‘victims’.  There should be a procedure in place for this, but victims can't be given incentive to lie, like being granted citizenship.

Fathertime!

[Researcher]

   It's like drug deal gone bad,IMO.They know what they are doing is illeagl.What would happen if it were a crack house that was busted?Everyone is busted!Too many excuses made here.


  And the smugglers aren't captured? What if it were 37 puppies found? There would be a dragnet going on with Michael Vick as prime suspect.This illegal immigration needs to be treated as a crime(which by the way it is)

  A "victims visa"? I can't believe it.Why don 't government start inventing more visas to hand out.Here are a few ideas:

   1)The fastest time for climbing a border fence visa.
   2)Most illegals that fit into a Volkswagon Beetle visa.
   3)Anyone that crosses the border into Arizona visa.


    Researcher

[Ray]

Yeah it totally sucks that people were misled by some criminals, who managed to take their life savings promising a better life and were paid 37 x $25.000 at least.
For this they should be punished and sent to prison back home, before returning them to the streets as their home will be gone.
I hope next time a scam story appear here you will tell the guy he deserved to lose his money and should never date again.

Oh, you’re breaking my heart! Bring on the violin music…. 

These “victims” aren’t going to be locked up in jail by anyone. They should be brought to the border and tossed back over the fence. Or maybe we could launch them over one at a time from a giant slingshot. How cool would that be?

Pictures Dave?  LOL!

Ray

[Researcher]

.....4)The best distance after being launched from a slingshot visa....


  Researcher

[fathertime]

Well, I wasn't happy about the first story I posted about and after briefly glancing the news, I find two more stories that further erode my goodwill towards the leaders of this country.

1.  ICE is not trying to push for a new policy that will enable them to NOT pursue deportation after an illegal immigrant is pulled over for a routine traffic stop.  So that would mean that a police officer can be told by the illegal immigrant, "I am here illegally, just give me my ticket, I have more important things to do".   
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/09/immigration-policy-change/


2.  The Pennslylvanian town that is trying to keep illegals out of their town, has been slapped down.  Pennsylvania is not allowed to interfere with the federal laws.   What federal laws?  The ones that they refuse to enforce.  I find it amazing that local governments can't enforce immigration policy in the absence of the feds doing their jobs.  Part of the judge's reasoning was, that it COULD be that the person is in the process of obtaining a "VICTIMS VISA" or could be a college student that the feds have chosen not to remove. 
 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39087531


I gotta ask, does the govt. want a revolution or what?  Christ, I'm beyond disgusted with leadership NOT representing us legal citizens.   

Fathertime!

[fathertime]

It's like drug deal gone bad,IMO.They know what they are doing is illeagl.What would happen if it were a crack house that was busted?Everyone is busted!Too many excuses made here.


  And the smugglers aren't captured? What if it were 37 puppies found? There would be a dragnet going on with Michael Vick as prime suspect.This illegal immigration needs to be treated as a crime(which by the way it is)

That is a good way to look at it.  No 'witnesses' are needed in a drug deal.  If a person is caught with drugs/illegal humans. That is the evidence.  If we had somebody in the know on how these human smuggling cases are prosecuted it would be nice to hear how the process works.

Fathertime!

[Shadow_mas]

Thank you for expressing your point of view.  I disagree with some of your assertions that have led you to this point of view. 

1. I don’t believe for a moment that these people aren’t fully aware that what they are doing is illegal. 

That is more based on your prejudice as on facts. They may have been offered an opportunity to work legally, and only during transport found out they were scammed and held prisoner.

2. How exactly are we going to extract money from these criminals if we capture them?  In nearly all circumstances, there is no way we are going to offset the costs.  If anything, the criminals are going to be an additional cost to the system.

You know they will have got at least $ one million for this group, and as it is a steady stream they are likely to have a lot more. Seems to me that you can make a pretty good operation for that kind of money.

3. We have no way of knowing who is a ‘victim’ but it would seem to me that all 37 could make that claim and back each other up on it. 

That is for the authorities to find out. I would be rather strict and be sure to punch some holes in the stories.

4. To use the example of a Mexican that was deported back to Mexico being given jail time. I have a very hard time believing that to be the case but if you can provide me a source showing that to be the case I will stand corrected.  Even still, these individuals have committed a crime by entering the USA illegally, and should suffer some consequence.   It is better for our country if that consequence is on the nickel of their home country. 

If they knowingly and willingly entered illegal, I would agree. If they are led to believe they were in fact using a legal way (even if by a loophole) there is no reason to punish them.

Are you living in the US?  This is a huge cost to our system and those few times we actually do capture illegals in a bulk like this, we need to damn well get them back to their home countries.  We should be fingerprinting them too, and if they come back a second time, give them 10 years hard labor. 

A huge cost to the system ? I am pretty sure that if they got whatever these people had to pay to the smugglers, the US would not be losing anything.
And no, I do not live in the US, or plan to enter illegally. 

One thing your comments do make me wonder is, how will human smugglers be prosecuted if the witnesses are all outside the USA.   I want to see them prosecuted too, but I don’t want us to have to make citizens out of all the ‘victims’.  There should be a procedure in place for this, but victims can't be given incentive to lie, like being granted citizenship.

It is your option to keep them outside the USA. In my case the victims and witnesses would have a chance to remain, in exchange for breaking up the human smugglers organization and impounding their a$$ets to pay for the whole operation.

[robert angel]

Re:

>>If they are led to believe they were in fact using a legal way (even if by a loophole) there is no reason to punish them<<

I seem to remember the judge saying to me "Sorry, Son--but ignorance is NO excuse"--"Guilty"--"Step to the left.....

[fathertime]

That is more based on your prejudice as on facts. They may have been offered an opportunity to work legally, and only during transport found out they were scammed and held prisoner.
You know they will have got at least $ one million for this group, and as it is a steady stream they are likely to have a lot more. Seems to me that you can make a pretty good operation for that kind of money.
That is for the authorities to find out. I would be rather strict and be sure to punch some holes in the stories.
If they knowingly and willingly entered illegal, I would agree. If they are led to believe they were in fact using a legal way (even if by a loophole) there is no reason to punish them.
A huge cost to the system ? I am pretty sure that if they got whatever these people had to pay to the smugglers, the US would not be losing anything.
And no, I do not live in the US, or plan to enter illegally. 
It is your option to keep them outside the USA. In my case the victims and witnesses would have a chance to remain, in exchange for breaking up the human smugglers organization and impounding their a$$ets to pay for the whole operation.

I don’t think for a moment our government would recover the money these ‘human smugglers’ might have got from these illegal immigrants.  Whatever money they received is likely scattered in many directions why would the criminals give it up?  Their max penalty is 10 years and with our generous prison system, that probably equates to 5 years.  If I were one of these guys and the police were to offer to take a year off for the money I extorted, I’d probably keep the money so when I got out I was a relatively rich man (in mexico) rather than a pauper.  Regardless, the citizens of this country don't want another 37 'so called victims' living here.  There is a process in place for people to immigrate legally and we should be able to decide who we want living in the country and who we do not.   


Well shadow mas,  while I like hearing opinions I certainly don’t agree with yours.  I have found that those that don’t live in the USA sometimes have a very strong opinion on how the US govt. should be pampering these criminals that enter illegally.  I don’t know what country you are currently in, but I would wager that if you were living with some of the consequences of having literally millions of non-citizens creating havoc in the schools, prison systems, and social fabric of your society, then your opinions might change.  I would like to see a more diverse group of people entering this country LEGALLY.  These people need to be deported to their home countries and tattooed so if they enter the usa illegally again, we can imprison them.  (I’m joking about the tattoo, but definitely fingerprinted)

Fathertime!

[Shadow_mas]

I do not think that criminals and those who enter a country illegally should be pampered or even be allowed to stay. Note that we have illegal immigrants and all their problems here as well, so  do not get me wrong.
What I would like to emphasize is that many human smugglers offer people a 'golden opportunity' like a work visa and job. People pay part upfront, and another part later.
As you might know such opportunities do exist (for instance in the medical field), so people might be led to believe they are entering legally and officially, until they get locked in a shed and forced to work illegal or pay off the rest of the money.

I have no sympathy for those who enter in it knowingly and willingly, but those who were scammed in to such a thing, and that does happen, should be assisted.

Now if I read that the US Government can impound the bank accounts of Osama Bin Laden in Switzerland, surely some Mexican low-life criminals could not escape similar treatment if someone really wanted...

[william3rd]

That is more based on your prejudice as on facts. They may have been offered an opportunity to work legally, and only during transport found out they were scammed and held prisoner. THERE IS NOT A SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE FOR THIS PREMISE. PEOPLE COMING HERE LEGALLY KNOW THAT THEY GO TO THE US CONSULATE FOR A VISA AND DONT HAVE TO RIDE HIDDEN IN THE BACK OF A TRUCK. THE POLLOS KNOW FULL WELL HOW IT WORKS. THEY ALSO KNOW ABOUT THE SNITCH VISA AND OTHER SIMILAR FREE RIDES.
 
 If they knowingly and willingly entered illegal, I would agree. If they are led to believe they were in fact using a legal way (even if by a loophole) there is no reason to punish them. AND HOW DO WE KNOW THE POOR LITTLE POLLOS WERE DUPED- WHY, THEY TELL US SO!!!
I am pretty sure that if they got whatever these people had to pay to the smugglers, the US would not be losing anything. MONEY IS IN CASH AND STAYS, FOR THE MOST PART, IN MEXICO.

 In my case the victims and witnesses would have a chance to remain, in exchange for breaking up the human smugglers organization and impounding their a$$ets to pay for the whole operation. OF WHICH OPERATION, THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. HOWEVER THEIR STORIES ARE USUALLY HIGHLY ENTERTAINING. YOU HAVENT LIVED UNTIL YOU LISTENED TO THE PREVARICATIONS OF THE ILLEGAL ALIEN!!!

[Dave H]

Oh, you’re breaking my heart! Bring on the violin music…. 

Mine too...NOT!!! Release them all in Europe!

Pictures Dave?  LOL!

Ray

Hey Ray,

Here you go...

I wonder how many Mexican illegals are smuggled into the US in new  "American" automobiles...made in of Mexico?  Anyone check the seats in their Dodge Ram pickup?


How many illegals can you fit into a  Louis Vuitton seat?

[Dave H]

A friendly "thank you" from the new arrivals! No...F-You pendejo!


"Amnistia?" "Anesthesia"...At least learn English so that liberal Americans can give you what you are demanding!



Although, it wouldn't hurt Americans to learn some Spanish...important sh-it like "Yo Quiero Taco Bell!"  

[Dave H]

Now I know why Obama is upset with Arizona...he can't visit there during his re-election campaign! He will only be able to visit the other 56 states.    

[Dave H]

Psss...psss...psss..Oye baby, dame los granos y  Mongolito cho you hes boobs!  



Hey esé the Pizza Patrón is here. Tengo mucho hambre...I sure hope it's got chorizo!

[Researcher]

I do not think that criminals and those who enter a country illegally should be pampered or even be allowed to stay. Note that we have illegal immigrants and all their problems here as well, so  do not get me wrong.
What I would like to emphasize is that many human smugglers offer people a 'golden opportunity' like a work visa and job. People pay part upfront, and another part later.
As you might know such opportunities do exist (for instance in the medical field), so people might be led to believe they are entering legally and officially, until they get locked in a shed and forced to work illegal or pay off the rest of the money.

I have no sympathy for those who enter in it knowingly and willingly, but those who were scammed in to such a thing, and that does happen, should be assisted.

Now if I read that the US Government can impound the bank accounts of Osama Bin Laden in Switzerland, surely some Mexican low-life criminals could not escape similar treatment if someone really wanted...

        Look at the numbers of how many people enter the US illegally and you will probably see that the odds that the 37 found were tricked.The sort of thing you are talking about isn't very common and smugglers don't have to trick people when there are soooooo many that are willing to pay to come here illegally.The arguments for illegals is flimsy at best and to claim prejudice against those that oppose illegal immigration is a desperate attempt to quiet them.IMO, most people are more upset with the US government than the illegals themselves.

        Just recently in a own near me a police officer was caught pulling illegals over and taking money from them.He knew they wouldn't tell on him so he was getting away with it until a sting was setup and he was caught.I was glad to hear he was caught and arrested. I also have heard of situations where employers of illegals will fire them and not pay their last paycheck because the illegals won't say anything.Part of the problem is that illegals are taken advantage of and exploited, because they are illegal.Just another reason illegal immigration should be taken more seriously and stopped.We certainly don't need any more BS ways that they can come here and stay.It is just motivates people to do things like pay someone to smuggle them here.


   Researcher

[Dave H]

Gerber comida para bebé.


He shouldn't have married an AW!