Arizona Immigration Enforcement Law

[JimD]

The Arizona Immigration Enforcement Law went into effect on April 23rd. Has anyone seen any statistics resulting from the new law such as before and after deportation numbers?  On the face of it as reported by the news agencies it gives the police in Arizona the right (maybe obligation) to ask for proof of citizenship of anyone they stop for “reasonable suspicion” of something. But I’m not clear, can they just stop someone walking down the street and ask for citizenship papers or do they have to “suspect” something? I think police “checking someone out” is a pretty standard procedure anywhere in the US. Take St.Louis for example. If I were a St. Louis County Police officer cruising through Jimmy-in-St Louis´ neighborhood in West County and I came upon a young black guy in a hooded sweatshirt walking through the subdivision I’d probably pull over and say “Hello sir may I see some ID?” And if I were stopped myself in my car or on foot anywhere in the US and asked by a police officer to submit my driver´s license I would hand it over and think nothing of it (other than how fast was I going???) . It wouldn’t occur to me to challenge a police officer’s right to see my documents. So what’s all the hoopla?  What are the other aspects of this law that have so many people up in arms?

[Jeff S]

The law requires two things: 1) being stopped for some appropriate police activity (robbery, drugs, speeding, jaywalking, broken taillight, whatever....) and reasonable suspicion that they're here illegally (speaking only Swedish and not having a passport or visa, having only a Matricular Consular card as ID, etc.) Then the only thing the Arizona cops can do (other then whatever the punishment for what they were stopped for in the first place,) is turn them over to ICE.

The law specifically prohibits busting into the local taqueria, lining everyone up and arresting them for BBP (being brown in public) in other words, racial profiling.

No stats in yet. I didn't think it was in effect yet, but am not sure.

[Ray]

The Arizona law has not gone into affect yet and if the messiah Obama has his way it never will.

[JimD]

Gosh, Being brown in public could put a lot of people in jeoperdy.

[Ray]

Gosh, Being brown in public could put a lot of people in jeoperdy.

Huh? Where did you hear that, MSNBC?

Don't believe everything anything you hear from the leftist wackoes...

[JimD]

This is confusing then (maybe a miss print):

by Craig Harris, Alia Beard Rau and Glen Creno - Apr. 24, 2010 12:00 AM

"Before and after Senate Bill 1070 became law at 1:30 p.m., civil unrest punctuated by loud protests and several minor clashes took place at the state Capitol."

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/04/23/20100423arizona-immigration-law-passed.html#ixzz0t2ltMjh2

[JimD]

From Jeff S´s post above; "arresting them for BBP (being brown in public)".

That he is a "leftist whacko" is truelly news worthy.

[Ray]

From Jeff S´s post above; "arresting them for BBP (being brown in public)".

That he is a "leftist whacko" is truelly news worthy.

Nice try, but why didn’t you quote the entire sentence?

“The law specifically prohibits busting into the local taqueria, lining everyone up and arresting them for BBP (being brown in public) in other words, racial profiling.”

[JimD]

What "try"? It was right there in his post. Didn´t you read it?

[fathertime]

Barring anything crazy happening we have about 24 hours before the law comes into play. 

The law has already served a purpose, thousands of illegal immigrants have already left AZ because of the less than hospitable environment nowadays.  This serves as evidence that this immigration issue can be solved if states decide they want to take the issue on. 

I'm curious to see what winds up happening if this law stands and we get 1000's of protesters getting violent while demanding rights for illegal aliens.  It shall be interesting.

Fathertime!

[Dave H]

What are the other aspects of this law that have so many people up in arms?

Hey JimD,

Some illegals and terrorists may actually be caught!

Dave        
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      

[Researcher]

So what’s all the hoopla?  What are the other aspects of this law that have so many people up in arms?

      The 10 million illegals who are here don't want to go back, that's why they and their families are upset.Most politicians are afraid of losing the Hispanic vote.To be honest I can't think of any argument to let them stay that holds water.Many say that they aren't taking jobs that anyone else wants but I'm about to go to work where I will see many illegals doing jobs other than picking fruit and landscaping.I don't know but I think Arizona may be on to something.


    Researcher

[william3rd]

I predict an upswing in Immigration Court cases and a lack of bed space for these newly caught criminals. San Bernardino County has a policy of turning over some illegals to immigration.
If they are booked into the county jail, then ICE interviews the criminal alien and places a hold. That means no bail and on release, the alien is released to ICE. A new intake interview is conducted and cases are triaged. If there are no equities, the alien is promptly flown to El Paso or elsewhere for processing. They have a privately operated jail there for immigration detainees.  If there are equities, the alien is released with an ankle bracelet, call in procedures, and monitoring until he makes his first court appearance.

Most of the ones I see are DUI with no drivers license.

I have one getting voluntary departure on friday- he has a USC spouse and two USC children with more than 10 years here. However, since he is not 245I eligible, he must return to Mexico to process back on his approved I130.

[Alabamaboy!]

I think this "law" will never be enforced. It is simply a way to show the older white voters that something is being done to address their concerns, but in reality, will never amount to much. Most of the police in my city are 1-2 generation Mexican-Americans and know for a fact that many of them have illegal family members living here. So do you really think they will rat them out.? Doubtful.

Same reason why Obama is making all this noise about fighting the new law. He knows it may never be overturned, but it makes him appear to care when in reality, he probably does not. Amazing that I saw a statistic that says 57% of the Hispanic voters think Obama is doing a good job. Must be all that legal weed they are smoking or something.

[fathertime]

Well the law has been struck down for now based on the supremacy clause (fed laws have authority over state laws) Now that AZ isn’t allowed to protect it’s border or citizens from illegal crossers and all the havoc and additional cost that they are creating, what is to be done when the feds refuse to enforce laws they are supposed to be enforcing? 

The public outcry to secure the borders has been present for some time, when are the people going to be represented?  The lesson that continues to be reinforced is that rules/laws are for the suckers.  Given the lesson learned, at some point the general public will question why bother following any rules or respect authority in any way. 

Fathertime!

[JimD]

  at some point the general public will question why bother following any rules or respect authority in any way. 

Sounds kike a nice way of saying total anarchy will ensue. Shades of The Road by Cormac McCarthy.

[JimD]

"For every 10% of lost crop yields in Mexico, another 2% of Mexicans are likely to leave their country."

"It says warming may bring between 1.4m and 6.7m Mexicans to the US by 2080."

"The study used census data from 1995 to 2005 as well as statistics on climate data and crop production, which allowed the group to calculate a projected rate of migration."

"Roughly 6.7 million of the 11 million undocumented immigrants believed to be in the US are from Mexico."

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2010/07/16/1002632107

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-10770674

[jm21-2]

Without a concerted effort things like border fences and the AZ law won't do much more than shift illegals to the path of least resistance. They just walk around the fence or go to Y state instead of X state. Have to agree with Alabamaboy's analysis.

Someday instead of fighting vehemently over issues like abortion, same-sex marriage, and illegals, we might start thinking about the national debt...or getting a social security statement that says despite all that money you're pouring into the trust it will will be depleted many years before you're retirement age....or medicaid/medicare/welfare reform. ...

[fathertime]

Sounds kike a nice way of saying total anarchy will ensue. Shades of The Road by Cormac McCarthy.

Hey JimD!
Thanks for the book/movie.  I enjoy these types of movies and haven't seen/read that one!
In regards to your point, I know I don't feel like following laws that I don't agree with and I imagine there are quite a few others out there feeling the same way.  It is not smart for our govt. to annoy this many people and intentionally not make any real attempts to solve the problem.
Fathertime!

[fathertime]

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Someday instead of fighting vehemently over issues like abortion, same-sex marriage, and illegals, we might start thinking about the national debt... reform. ...

hello jm21-2,  i don't know why you are lumping illegal aliens with the other two issues...it is completely different...and my belief is (among other things)that it would help to reduce the rate at which the national debt is climbing. The national debt is a different subject though, my belief is that we have already passed the point of no return on that one...

Fathertime!   

[piglett]

we might start thinking about the national debt...or getting a social security statement that says despite all that money you're pouring into the trust it will will be depleted many years before you're retirement age....or medicaid/medicare/welfare reform. ...

Do u really think with the current breed of politician that we have in Washington that they will even address 1 of these very important issues?? IMHO they should all be thrown out on their worthless elite @sses

piglett

[Researcher]

    I agree JM.None of these issues will get solved because of a lack of unity among people here in the US.Illegal immigration has been a problem for years and now is an issue.I wonder if it has to do with our 10% unemployment rate?Seems to be too late now.Anyone who wants to do anything about it now has to go up against our federal government, that prefers to do nothing about it or our high rate of unemployment either.



  Researcher

[jm21-2]

hello jm21-2,  i don't know why you are lumping illegal aliens with the other two issues...it is completely different...and my belief is (among other things)that it would help to reduce the rate at which the national debt is climbing. The national debt is a different subject though, my belief is that we have already passed the point of no return on that one...

Fathertime!   

Just saying that these generally moral issues often are the ones that get the most attention in American politics while the huge concrete problems that effect everyone are downplayed or ignored.

While if the illegals suddenly vanished it would certainly save us money, the process of getting rid of them would cost a fortune. Why not just cut off welfare benefits to anyone who couldn't show legal immigration documents?

[fathertime]

Just saying that these generally moral issues often are the ones that get the most attention in American politics while the huge concrete problems that effect everyone are downplayed or ignored.

While if the illegals suddenly vanished it would certainly save us money, the process of getting rid of them would cost a fortune. Why not just cut off welfare benefits to anyone who couldn't show legal immigration documents?

I don't think that the illegal alien issue is a moral one, whereas the other two you previously mentioned are.

If this law went into effect it would have proved how easy it would have been to deport the illegals.  I have read that 100K have already left the state before the law was to go into effect. Many went back to mexico and many others probably left for another state. 
Regarding welfare...the children of illegals are ENTITLED to welfare, free lunches, and education, just like the rest of the citizenry here.  I don't like it and our leadership has done nothing to discourage this from happening. 
I'd like to see laws like the one in AZ passed in addition to very strict workplace enforcement with serious sentences for the employers.  Then many illegals would self-deport and we could deal with the rest.  As it stands my belief is that we have somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 million illegals not the 13 million that is often quoted by our corrupted government...when you include the anchor babies that are technically legal the number is even higher than that.  Without a multi-pronged approach this problem will persist, until it can't be controlled, I think we are almost there already...in California the bird already flown the coup, that is a major reason why we are bankrupted. 

Fathertime!

[Ray]

Without a concerted effort things like border fences and the AZ law won't do much more than shift illegals to the path of least resistance. They just walk around the fence or go to Y state instead of X state.
 

While if the illegals suddenly vanished it would certainly save us money, the process of getting rid of them would cost a fortune. Why not just cut off welfare benefits to anyone who couldn't show legal immigration documents?

Same old tired arguments, based on BS instead of facts.

ONCE AGAIN, the fence works very well, despite the leftist propaganda to the contrary.

If the border were completely fenced, those illegals would need to grow gills to walk around it.   

Cut welfare benefits for illegals? HUH? You would probably need a constitutional amendment. Democrats and leftist activist judges will not allow cuts in benefits for illegals. We tried that before in California with ballot initiatives, and they were promptly thrown out by activist courts. The activist judges and the leftists won’t even let you ask for documents to prove legal status…they just scream RACISM!

Besides, welfare benefits are only a tiny part of the money we flush down the toilet supporting illegals and their offspring. Add up the costs to education, medical care, subsidized public transportation, etc., etc., etc., and is it any wonder that California and its sanctuary cities are flat broke?

And it didn’t cost Arizona a fortune to get their illegals moving out, did it? If the only place willing to coddle them were back home, a hell of a lot would pack up and leave on their own. I’m sick of giving away freebies to people who have NO RIGHT to be here, while the leftist whiners make excuses why we don’t need a fence or any other enforcement of our borders.

Probably the easiest way to begin to solve most all of this country’s current problems would be to deport the ACLU… 

Ray