Obams's Health Care Reform Bill

[thekfc]

Have anybody actually read (or know) what is in Obama's Health Care Reform Bill?

The bill is more than 1,000 pages in length, and few in Congress admit to having read in full.

According to some media outlet - you would be losing the following:
1. Freedom to choose what's in your plan
2. Freedom to be rewarded for healthy living, or pay your real costs
3. Freedom to choose high-deductible coverage
4. Freedom to keep your existing plan
5. Freedom to choose your doctors

Some other media outlet interpret the following in there:
Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange
No company can sue the government for price-fixing. 
The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you.
Doctors will be prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!

Here are a few links on what it is:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.pdf

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2300451/posts

http://www.naturalnews.com/026733_health_health_care_healthcare.html

http://www.eagletribune.com/punews/local_story_246123359.html


This is a bit confusing - What is true & what is not .

[jm21-2]

Has Obama actually proposed any bill yet? Last I knew he hadn't done anything.

Don't believe anything cable news says until there is actually something on the table. These "developing stories" are generally a load of BS.

Last time I checked the public option was out again, end of life counseling is extremely common and would cost tax payers a bit of extra money, I wish I could get on medicaid, the healthcare exchange idea is not bad but will probably get bungled, why would anyone sue the government for price-fixing?, under all the plans I've heard of you'd keep your current plan if you have one unless you chose not to, it would be great if doctors were prohibited from investing in healthcare companies.

[william3rd]

Sounds like a crock to me. Damn - we need sarah palin to sort it all out for us as to why Medicare cant be expanded and why we might go to jail for not selecting an option. . . . and what is wrong with being able to freely CHOOSE a government run option.

[thekfc]

Has Obama actually proposed any bill yet? Last I knew he hadn't done anything.

Don't believe anything cable news says until there is actually something on the table. These "developing stories" are generally a load of BS.

Last time I checked the public option was out again, end of life counseling is extremely common and would cost tax payers a bit of extra money, I wish I could get on medicaid, the healthcare exchange idea is not bad but will probably get bungled, why would anyone sue the government for price-fixing?, under all the plans I've heard of you'd keep your current plan if you have one unless you chose not to, it would be great if doctors were prohibited from investing in healthcare companies.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/22/AR2009122200864.html?hpid=topnews

http://www.cnbc.com/id/34489202

The Senate Health Care Reform Bill.
I too though that they had "put it aside" until I saw the news coverage this morning.
It passed it's 2nd hurdle today in the Senate - one more hurdle tomorrow & then a vote on X-mas eve.

[Ray]

Don't believe anything cable news says until there is actually something on the table. These "developing stories" are generally a load of BS.

And that which jm is proposing is exactly what the leftists and Democratsagogues want you to do. Ignore cable news (read Fox News Channel) and trust the leftist politicians to do what is in your best interests, until you wake up one morning and it is too late.

What a load of BS!

You had better pay attention to what the leftists want to do to this country! Ignore them at you own peril (and that of your children and grandchildren).

Stay informed kfc and don’t believe anything that Obama and the Democrats promise you!

And jm’s analysis of the proposed legislation is “generally a load of BS”.

Has Obama actually proposed any bill yet? Last I knew he hadn't done anything.

Where have you been??

Ray

[jm21-2]

Everyone calls it the Obama bill or "Obama-care" but I never actually heard of him proposing anything specific (he might have and I jsut missed it...there were about 6 or 7 proposals but I didn't think any of them were his) and the "leftist media" has been complaining about Obama not making a proposal.

I don't trust politicians worth a damn, nor do I trust Fox news. Why would I trust Fox news anchors when they were ordered by their boss to have a republican bias? It's not exactly a secret.

I have to agree to not believe anything that Obama or the democrats promise you. They never deliver. Neither do republicans.

EDIT:
And let's not forget Fox is the network that organized 'spontaneous' tea parties to report on, and then showed fake footage of the events to make it seem like they were more heavily attended.

[jm21-2]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/22/AR2009122200864.html?hpid=topnews

http://www.cnbc.com/id/34489202

The Senate Health Care Reform Bill.
I too though that they had "put it aside" until I saw the news coverage this morning.
It passed it's 2nd hurdle today in the Senate - one more hurdle tomorrow & then a vote on X-mas eve.

From the second article you linked to it looks like they dropped the public option again?

"Reid introduced a 383-page amendment on Saturday making changes aimed at securing the last votes, including the abortion compromise and the dropping of a government-run public insurance option to appease moderates like independent Joe Lieberman."

[Ray]

Why would I trust Fox news anchors when they were ordered by their boss to have a republican bias?

And let's not forget Fox is the network that organized 'spontaneous' tea parties to report on, and then showed fake footage of the events to make it seem like they were more heavily attended.

That is the most retarded BS yet!

Why are you libs so afraid of Fox News? Obama and all the libs are scared to death that someone will hear the truth instead of all this leftist propaganda that the liberal media has been shoving down your throats.

That’s why Obama and the leftists will make up any lies in a feeble attempt to discredit Fox News. But intelligent Americans aren’t buying their crap. Have you seen the ratings lately? While Fox News soars, all the leftist propaganda channels are falling in the polls like turds from a seagull.

Obviously, someone has swallowed the leftist lies hook, line, and sinker…

All you NBC Kool-Aid drinkers suck it up…

[fathertime]

What I'm most agitated by with in this health Care bill is that Nebraska senator Nelson's vote was BOUGHT.  His state will recieve extra benefits paid for by all the other states.  If anybody cares to look, just google 'Cornhusker kickback'. If this is the norm in the senate then we are becoming a more and more corrupt nation.

I'm going to be tempted to cancel my health ins. coverage.  Why not? I'll wait until I'm sick and than purchase it last second and save a lot of money in the process, the $750 dollar fine isn't much compared to the premiums I pay...

I don't see how such a huge reform can work when the majority of Americans don't want it to happen. 


Fathertime!

[Ray]

What I'm most agitated by with in this health Care bill is that Nebraska senator Nelson's vote was BOUGHT.  His state will recieve extra benefits paid for by all the other states.  If anybody cares to look, just google 'Cornhusker kickback'. If this is the norm in the senate then we are becoming a more and more corrupt nation.

Yep, that's change that you can believe in... 

[jm21-2]

That is the most retarded BS yet!

Why are you libs so afraid of Fox News? Obama and all the libs are scared to death that someone will hear the truth instead of all this leftist propaganda that the liberal media has been shoving down your throats.

That’s why Obama and the leftists will make up any lies in a feeble attempt to discredit Fox News. But intelligent Americans aren’t buying their crap. Have you seen the ratings lately? While Fox News soars, all the leftist propaganda channels are falling in the polls like turds from a seagull.

Obviously, someone has swallowed the leftist lies hook, line, and sinker…

All you NBC Kool-Aid drinkers suck it up…

I believe it was Sean Hannity who apologized for "erroneously" splicing different footages together. It's common knowledge that FOX helped organize the tea baggers. It's fairly common knowledge that the FOX network bosses told them to take a republican slant.

Does that mean other news networks are unbiased? No. But to deny that FOX is biased is ridiculous.

[Ray]

And I can tell that you get your "facts" from MSNBC... 

[jm21-2]

And I can tell that you get your "facts" from MSNBC... 

I actually have never watched MSNBC.

[Ray]

I actually have never watched MSNBC.

Then why do you keep repeating all of their phony leftist propaganda??

[fathertime]

I actually have never watched MSNBC.

That channel is unwatchable for more than 5 minutes.  The sarcasm and pregnant pauses of olberman and maddow gets in the way of the story and just isn't very funny. Half the time they are talking about other newscasters, just give us the story not such a focus on the gossip.

Fathertime!

[jm21-2]

Then why do you keep repeating all of their phony leftist propaganda??

What leftist propaganda? That you shouldn't trust Obama? That the health care reform isn't going to do jack? That the few changes that will actually occur will probably be bungled and just end up costing more taxpayer money? That I think politicians as a class are extremely untrustworthy people? That there are biased news programs?

I don't get what I've said is leftist. I just cringe when, for example, I hear idiots calling end of life counseling some sort of death board. It is such a blatantly fear-mongering tactic. Any marginally rational person would laugh at the idea.

[Ray]

What leftist propaganda? That you shouldn't trust Obama? That the health care reform isn't going to do jack? That the few changes that will actually occur will probably be bungled and just end up costing more taxpayer money? That I think politicians as a class are extremely untrustworthy people? That there are biased news programs?

Wow jm!

I’m glad you finally saw the light and came back over from the dark side!

[Capstone]

The bottom line is that all politicians are full of $hit and not one of them has ever fulfilled even a fraction of their campaign promises. I don't trust or believe a damn single one of them.

[piglett]

The bottom line is that all politicians are full of $hit and not one of them has ever fulfilled even a fraction of their campaign promises. I don't trust or believe a damn single one of them.

DITTO

[Bob_S]

I hear idiots calling end of life counseling some sort of death board. It is such a blatantly fear-mongering tactic. Any marginally rational person would laugh at the idea.

The problem with the "Death Board" mem is that they used the right ammunition but aimed it at the wrong target.

End of life counselling is not a Death Board, the true Death Boards will be the government finance boards that direct where the scarce funding goes which will affect whether you get treatment for your life-threatening illness.  Tough luck if your condition is not on a politically correct approved list.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXJgkvF19QA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc2n8JxYXgs

[piglett]

The problem with the "Death Board" mem is that they used the right ammunition but aimed it at the wrong target.
End of life counselling is not a Death Board, the true Death Boards will be the government finance boards that direct where the scarce funding goes which will affect whether you get treatment for your life-threatening illness.  Tough luck if your condition is not on a politically correct approved list.

Oh just sign me up for that great Obama care !!!!!!!!
can i be the 1st on the list .....please ?? 


piglett

[jm21-2]

The problem with the "Death Board" mem is that they used the right ammunition but aimed it at the wrong target.

End of life counselling is not a Death Board, the true Death Boards will be the government finance boards that direct where the scarce funding goes which will affect whether you get treatment for your life-threatening illness.  Tough luck if your condition is not on a politically correct approved list.

Well a public health care system like that was never in any of the bills that got more than a second glance. We do need to ration medicare/medicaid better but that's a whole 'nother ball of wax and one we'll have to deal with in any sort of healthcare reform. A voluntary public option would not cause those sorts of problems. The target you mention simply did not exist in the debate. I agree that there are many problems with a single payer public healthcare system, but it was just not on the table.

[Ray]

Well a public health care system like that was never in any of the bills that got more than a second glance. We do need to ration medicare/medicaid better but that's a whole 'nother ball of wax and one we'll have to deal with in any sort of healthcare reform. A voluntary public option would not cause those sorts of problems. The target you mention simply did not exist in the debate. I agree that there are many problems with a single payer public healthcare system, but it was just not on the table.

What you fail to understand is that what Obama, Reid, Palosi, and all the rest of the far-left whackoes really want in the end, is a single-payer health care system. They now know that this socialist BS won’t fly, so they will take what they can get now and once the federal govt gets control of the system, they can phase in the single-payer system later.

The current plans in congress will put the government in charge of determining what coverage the insurance companies must provide to whom, and essentially decide what care you can and can not get.

Don’t believe a word the Democrats are telling you because it’s all a big lie!

Ray

[jwarren]

obama, lol...

[jm21-2]

The government regulates all sorts of corporations. How is regulating health insurance companies any different? Telling a health insurance company they can't discriminate based on pre-existing conditions and have to provide a certain level of coverage is really no different from telling a paper mill they can't dump chemicals in the nearby river or that restaurants have to maintain a certain level of cleanliness. We've been regulating businesses for a long, long time now...nothing really new there.