I guess Jaime caved

[bcc_1_2]

I got one word (OK maybe 2) for you all.

FACEBOOK & TAGGED. A list of women no agency owner can control and IMBRA law can touch.


FL

Especially in the age group I was looking at.... if they are in the agency (usually means they have email) they generally have their own social networking accounts as well. Which yes you can contact them directly and for free. Assuming her english isn't great and your spanish isn't great... then all you'd need is a translator.

[Dan]

IMBRA includes language that provides for specific exemptions:Yes it does, but Jamie doesn't fall exempt under any of it.

Jamie at one point posted that he had reviewed IMBRA with his attorney, and had concluded he is exempt.: As I recall, Jamie said that he doesn't have to comply because he isn't in the US.That may be good for Jamie but not for his clients who seek a K visa.

Anything else is a matter of speculation. If you want more details - ask the source: No, just read the law, read Jamie's website and read what has already been posted here. Remember "RIF" Reading Is Fundamental.


Researcher

>>Yes it does, but Jamie doesn't fall exempt under any of it.<<

You may be correct. For my part, I am not willing to make an assumption, so if I was searching, I would probably just ask him directly.

>>As I recall, Jamie said that he doesn't have to comply because he isn't in the US.That may be good for Jamie but not for his clients who seek a K visa.<<

I recall him mentioning consultation with an attorney - but once again, asking at the source is probably the best idea.

BTW - the second part of your response makes a presumption about consequences to the sponsor and/or beneficiary of the K-visa. Have you confirmed that such consequences are levied as a direct result of IMBRA?

>>No, just read the law, read Jamie's website and read what has already been posted here. Remember "RIF" Reading Is Fundamental.<<

As is the famous Latin phrase: Caveat Emptor. And for bcc (and others) that like to review the GoodWife articles, you will be interested in the latest addition to those articles entitled; "Caveat Emptor" - found here -- http://www.goodwife.com/index.php?pid=51.

Enjoy!

- Dan

[OsageDave]

As is the famous Latin phrase: Caveat Emptor. And for bcc (and others) that like to review the GoodWife articles, you will be interested in the latest addition to those articles entitled; "Caveat Emptor" - found here -- http://www.goodwife.com/index.php?pid=51.

Enjoy!

- Dan

That's a great article. Good thing the 22 year old Brazilian swim suit model, who is looking for a man who makes more than $150k per year and is between the ages of 57 and 80, loves me for who I am .... or I'd worry. 

[bcc_1_2]

IMBRA includes language that provides for specific exemptions:Yes it does, but Jamie doesn't fall exempt under any of it.

Jamie at one point posted that he had reviewed IMBRA with his attorney, and had concluded he is exempt.: As I recall, Jamie said that he doesn't have to comply because he isn't in the US.That may be good for Jamie but not for his clients who seek a K visa.

Anything else is a matter of speculation. If you want more details - ask the source: No, just read the law, read Jamie's website and read what has already been posted here. Remember "RIF" Reading Is Fundamental.


Researcher

I never said I was in compliance and I still am not in compliance.

Imagine an accountant telling the IRS I never said I was in compliance with Sarbanes-Oxley and I am still not in compliance.

Chef: I never said I washed my hands after using the restroom and I still don't wash my hands after using the restroom.

[Researcher]

 bcc,
     It's kind of puzzling how people come to Jamie's rescue. It's like some weird cult, the "Branch Jamidians" I guess.Now they have Dan.Oh well, South America hasn't had any good cult action since Jim Jones. They'll be ok as long as they don't drink the kool aid.



   Researcher

[Researcher]

>>Yes it does, but Jamie doesn't fall exempt under any of it.<<

You may be correct. For my part, I am not willing to make an assumption, so if I was searching, I would probably just ask him directly.

>>As I recall, Jamie said that he doesn't have to comply because he isn't in the US.That may be good for Jamie but not for his clients who seek a K visa.<<

I recall him mentioning consultation with an attorney - but once again, asking at the source is probably the best idea.

BTW - the second part of your response makes a presumption about consequences to the sponsor and/or beneficiary of the K-visa. Have you confirmed that such consequences are levied as a direct result of IMBRA?

>>No, just read the law, read Jamie's website and read what has already been posted here. Remember "RIF" Reading Is Fundamental.<<

As is the famous Latin phrase: Caveat Emptor. And for bcc (and others) that like to review the GoodWife articles, you will be interested in the latest addition to those articles entitled; "Caveat Emptor" - found here -- http://www.goodwife.com/index.php?pid=51.

Enjoy!

- Dan

              If I was searching I would ask an attorney, I don't think these agency owners qualify as experts on the subject.The ones who do know something about IMBRA are compliant.
             As far as I go I just went through the visa and AOS process so I looked into it and had an attorney. From what I know about it and what my attorney advised me to do I'd say its best to comply. If I didn't know any more about the subject than you do, I think I just wouldn't say anything about it.


             Researcher

[william3rd]

 bcc,
     It's kind of puzzling how people come to Jamie's rescue. It's like some weird cult, the "Branch Jamidians" I guess.

   Researcher

Now THAT was funny!!!!!!

[piglett]

michaelb made a good point about falsifying the documents and perjury. Question 18 on the I-129F asks you to describe the circumstances under which you met. Question 19 asks if you met through an IMB.

Do they consider an online site like cherryblossoms an IMB?

[Dan]

 bcc,
     It's kind of puzzling how people come to Jamie's rescue. It's like some weird cult, the "Branch Jamidians" I guess.Now they have Dan.Oh well, South America hasn't had any good cult action since Jim Jones. They'll be ok as long as they don't drink the kool aid.



   Researcher

Actually, I am no more in Jamie's camp than anyone else's. My advocacy is for giving the benefit of the doubt, and taking personal responsibility.

I can see the argument and concern that Jamie's agency does not comply with IMBRA, hence, it would give me pause if I were considering using his services. My approach to resolution, however, would likely be quite different than the rants I see posted. Rather than engaging in rumor-mongering and speculation, my choice would be to; (a) ask the question(s) directly, and (b) make my choices according to the answers received and my 'sense' of risk/reward. I would probably also post about what I found - but only with the knowledge that the posts are irrefutable and based on direct first-hand knowledge.

Far too frequently we see people here who are on some sort of vendetta or are simply demented/addled. That kind of behavior is not consistent with our Mission and Values, and it does not provide value to our membership. Most of the addled are no longer posting here, having worked hard to earn their permanent place in our history annals.

I have seen too many people run out of PL on a rail over the years, merely because someone took a dislike or wanted to spew their pathetic pent-up internet hostility on someone here at PL. That needs to cease and now those aggressors are the ones in exile.

PL is the finest venue of its sort on the 'net - and it will only get better. It is, and will be, the largest and most vibrant discussion forum for men seeking a foreign bride from Asia or Latin America. It is, and will be, a site where people are able to find quality information from people that have gone before them with real first-hand experience.

- Dan

[piglett]

There is a guy I know from other site.  A Scottish guy brought a Ukrainian girl to his home in Scotland and they got married.  They have a baby together but they are no longer an item.  The Scottish husband is a wife beater!!!  She beat her out on few occassions and also beat her while she was pregrant!  He only beat her when he was drunk.  He refused to give up drinking.  He chose his drinking over his wife.

Now, the wife is back to Ukraine with the baby.
You see what I mean - bringing ladies home for numbers of reasons including beating her, using her as prostititution - the list is endless!

how would IMBRA have helped in this case?
if the guy is a wife beating drunk... then he is a wife beating drunk
it doesn't matter if he marries a lady from his home country or from another planet
he is still a piece of sh*t .......IMO  

[Researcher]

Do they consider an online site like cherryblossoms an IMB?

 Piglett,
      I have seen this same question asked on Visajourney.com.I think cherryblossoms isn't considered an IMB. You might want to check to be sure.

 Researcher

[Researcher]

Actually, I am no more in Jamie's camp than anyone else's. My advocacy is for giving the benefit of the doubt, and taking personal responsibility.

I can see the argument and concern that Jamie's agency does not comply with IMBRA, hence, it would give me pause if I were considering using his services. My approach to resolution, however, would likely be quite different than the rants I see posted. Rather than engaging in rumor-mongering and speculation, my choice would be to; (a) ask the question(s) directly, and (b) make my choices according to the answers received and my 'sense' of risk/reward. I would probably also post about what I found - but only with the knowledge that the posts are irrefutable and based on direct first-hand knowledge.

Far too frequently we see people here who are on some sort of vendetta or are simply demented/addled. That kind of behavior is not consistent with our Mission and Values, and it does not provide value to our membership. Most of the addled are no longer posting here, having worked hard to earn their permanent place in our history annals.

I have seen too many people run out of PL on a rail over the years, merely because someone took a dislike or wanted to spew their pathetic pent-up internet hostility on someone here at PL. That needs to cease and now those aggressors are the ones in exile.

PL is the finest venue of its sort on the 'net - and it will only get better. It is, and will be, the largest and most vibrant discussion forum for men seeking a foreign bride from Asia or Latin America. It is, and will be, a site where people are able to find quality information from people that have gone before them with real first-hand experience.

- Dan

    I see your point but I have nothing against Jamie personally.I am pro agency and wish him nothing but success. I do have a problem with agencies who are non compliant with IMBRA, even though I think it is a law that is useless.However, it is a law. I also would like anyone who is starting this process to be aware of anything that could cause them future problems with the visa process. Unlike the "commercial members" I am here to only help people, not advertising my business.

[piglett]

Piglett,
      I have seen this same question asked on Visajourney.com.I think cherryblossoms isn't considered an IMB. You might want to check to be sure.

 Researcher

so more than likely it's the company's that set up face to face meetings & tours with AM & foreign ladies?
i actually used FilipinaHeart , so i think i will message them & then i will be glad to report back my findings

piglett

[sabound]

Dan , you seem to alwasy come to Jamie's defense. And if there is something brought out about his website you always say go to the source . and you know what that means  a beat around the bush answer.   

guys are tired of his cut and paste response's because he never proves anything by them .

[Dan]

Dan , you seem to alwasy come to Jamie's defense. And if there is something brought out about his website you always say go to the source . and you know what that means  a beat around the bush answer.   

guys are tired of his cut and paste response's because he never proves anything by them .

If you ask Jamie, I think you will find that he would not agree with you that I "alwasy [sp] come to Jamie's defense."

Answer this - have you had an 'issue' or question with/for Jamie? Did you ask the man a direct and straight-forward question? If so - point me to it, I'd like to see it.

- Dan

[Researcher]

so more than likely it's the company's that set up face to face meetings & tours with AM & foreign ladies?
i actually used FilipinaHeart , so i think i will message them & then i will be glad to report back my findings

piglett

              I don't know if you have been reading this thread but it actually would be in your best interest to talk to an attorney and not ask the source.Since IMBRA I haven't used any asian sources, you might want to ask the asian board if they have heard anything.


  Researcher

[william3rd]

Bangkok and Guangzhou both have IMBRA/VAWA deferrals curently in the mill.

[michaelb]

Bangkok and Guangzhou both have IMBRA/VAWA deferrals curently in the mill.

William, do you mean deferrals, as in delay, postpone, or do you mean outright denials of individual cases? (not asking you divulge who's case, I understand the concept of client confidentially, even though, ahem, some people here don't). Just wondering if you know of any denials due to IMBRA. As I've said before, I think the law is unconstitutional, but then President Obama hasn't nominated me to the Supreme Court, so I doubt my opinion holds much sway in the matter.

[william3rd]

Denied at the consulate and returned to DHS for review and further action

[michaelb]

Thanks for the clarification. Hope the couples involved prevail, but it looks like they could be in for a long, rough ride.

[william3rd]

most of the cases are the more than 2 fiancee visas in a lifetime cases thus far. Consulate letters specifically reference IMBRA

ANSWER- marry abroad- no IMBRA in IR cases.

[OsageDave]

Since Bogota is one of the cities I am considering searching in, I thought I would look at Introductions by Consuelo. She/They have a very good reputation here, and I can't recall ever reading anything negative about them on the board here. Though I'll be talking to my attorney before embarking on this quest, I went ahead and wrote to IBC about whether they are IMBRA compliant, steps they've taken to be so, etc. I had also commented that the women I saw on their web site seemed to be pretty young and wondered about whether they had many women who have children, and might go to the same category of church that I attend.

Here is the reply I received:

Hello David,

Thank you for all your kind comments about the agency. It is true that we care about providing an excellent service. We are very professional and really care about people to accomplish their goal of finding their partner in life.

The last Fiancé visa issued by the agency was at the end of last year. The whole process took four months. Our client was very satisfied with the work we did. It was successful process because he provided all the documents required by the Immigration office. We are aware of the immigration laws and we follow the guidelines set, so my answer is yes, our agency compliant with K-1 requirements.

We interviewed personally all the women who are registered in our agency and we make sure they have all the qualities the must have to be a good life time partner. God is the most important part in our lives and women here are very family oriented, have strong moral values, down to earth, and some of them have children, for sure we will find women the potential of becoming your partner in life.

Thank you for your trust in our agency and we are more than glad to help you.  Any questions regarding this or a different matter don’t hesitate to contact us.

Wishing you a great weekend!!!!!

Yours sincerely,

Ana Saumet

Introductions by Consuelo
USA Phone 305 - 9070330 / 405 - 2372490
Colombian phone number 011 57 1 6020976
MSN messenger: introductionsbyconsuelo@hotmail.com
Yahoo messenger: intro byconsuelo@yahoo.com

[henryw]

An agency that is K-1 compliant? And "last visa issued by the agency". Sounds like the women is either stunninly ill informed or is  talking malarky.

[Jamie]

      Glad to hear it.So, you don't mention anything about IMBRA?

      Researcher

I do not mention IMBRA.

From this and others discussions I have decided to comply with the current requirements of IMBRA. Based on our methods of introductions the added requirements are only a minimal addition and fits in with our current methods of the woman having information about the man and making a decision whether to meet him or not. Adding to that information will require little effort.

While they are valid arguments that I would not be covered by this law there could be an impact on the client and future indications are that the client may have to provide a certification from the marriage agency to submit with his application.

One can’t expect Government to act in a just and reasonable manner. I am not able to fathom how either a right or left leaning court can support a law that says, you can not pay someone to physically introduce you to any foreign woman unless you supply information regarding your personal history in advance of seeing that woman who must sign off on meeting you. The insanity of our world has no end.

[bcc_1_2]

no more issue over buying contacts... check
no more issues over background checks... check
the last issue i can think of is the using of his lodging. the rumor mill has it that if you don't always stay at his lodging on future trips and he finds out about it... he might or does blacklist you from future service.

If that is or is not the case I just think it needs to be clarified. And if it is true list on the website for full disclosure to future clients.

However I am surprised. It appears Jamie might be on the road to some credibility.