I guess Jaime caved

[sabound]

oh but you said you did not need to comply because you were based outside of the US ... 

I think the rug on your head had gotten a little tight this past year !

But you can beleive what you want ..... you are the one who will lose clients not me ;(

[Jamie]

Danger, guys!!!!!! he still won't comply.

Good of you to admit you did not know what you were talking about in your previous post when you said I was becoming compliant. The sad part is this is you legal specialization and you still have not got it down.

Nice that you all are at risk in using that service  on the basis of pure arrogance. 

They use the service on the basis of success. The risk to date is zero. Do you want to provide counter evidence to this? Of course not you can’t.

And a business decision- doesnt want to spend the money to obey the law.

William why don’t you tell them how much money I am avoiding to spend?

If you get fined, will you pay?

William why would you of all people ask a question when you specialize in invading questions. When you decide to answer the backlog of questions I have asked you I will be glad to return the favor.

Nice to know that Jamie can give you all your legal advice and a tour of his stable.

I don’t provide any legal advice and based on the number of times Ray has corrected you, you shouldn’t either. I stated my opinion. I suggest in writing to all visiting clients that they contact a lawyer for the legal requirements prior to visiting. The fact that you like to refer to the women as a farm animal is another indicator that you’re not trying to help anyone you are just a hostile coward that has ears of a very small audience.

Hey Jamie are you going to cloak yourself in the american flag now? Talking about the Constitution, are we? Too little and too late.

As usual you miss the point.

Humm a few bars of the Battle Hymn of the Republic, will ya?

You mean you want to hear a change of pace song from what your clients sing, “Woe is me.”

[Jamie]

oh but you said you did not need to comply because you were based outside of the US ...

Yes I did and you are the one that said up is down.

I think the rug on your head had gotten a little tight this past year !

Does that mean you don't find be attractive anymore?

But you can beleive what you want ..... you are the one who will lose clients not me ;(

And you can believe that if you want.

[sabound]

  "And you can believe that if you want "

I will believe what I want and it will be the truth

[william3rd]

my my my- he is still at it. Must be something in the water there in Colombia that affects these agency guys.

Actually, there are at least a dozen fiancee cases that have been sent back to the US for IMBRA review that I am aware of. There are probably a lot more than that.

Nice that this particular agency owner has determined that there is no risk for YOU the client for his non compliance.

Beware guys. . . . betcha he wont be too keen on refunds if the risk doesnt pan out.

[Researcher]

It has nothing to do with caving in. It was a business decision that was planned for over a year that had nothing to do with IMBRA.  

          Thanks, Jamie, for clarifying. I don't know why it was thought that this was IMBRA related.


 Researcher

[Jamie]

I will believe what I want and it will be the truth

Man I can’t beat that I can’t make you look any more foolish than you are making yourself look. You’re lucky this board doesn’t have a minimum IQ standard. Thanks for the laugh.

[Jamie]

Actually, there are at least a dozen fiancee cases that have been sent back to the US for IMBRA review that I am aware of. There are probably a lot more than that.

Share with us William no one here is going to object to you providing the details.

Nice that this particular agency owner has determined that there is no risk for YOU the client for his non compliance.

William give all the guys that you are so gratefully advising a number to this risk? You won’t provide a number will you William.

[Researcher]

             Jamie,
                   IMBRA is a law. I don't agree with it but I did comply.Do you inform your clients of IMBRA so they can decide for themselves what they want to do?
I think any guy who uses an agency should consult an attorney and decide for himself.



            Researcher


             

[william3rd]

Share with us William no one here is going to object to you providing the details.

William give all the guys that you are so gratefully advising a number to this risk? You won’t provide a number will you William.

My clients will object . . . . . I keep confidences, even though you dont.

I cannot in good conscience recommend any agency that refuses to comply with IMBRA. There may be other moral or ethical reasons to refuse to recommend an agency such as when they run pornography or prostitution as part of their business model. But- the potential harm to the client and his goals by not complying with IMBRA. . . .wow.

[bcc_1_2]

My clients will object . . . . . I keep confidences, even though you dont.

I cannot in good conscience recommend any agency that refuses to comply with IMBRA. There may be other moral or ethical reasons to refuse to recommend an agency such as when they run pornography or prostitution as part of their business model. But- the potential harm to the client and his goals by not complying with IMBRA. . . .wow.

Now I don't follow his website much anymore or any of them just due to that I'm not looking anymore. But hasn't his rate jumped up 100 bucks recently? You'd think that would cover the cost of following IMBRA... unless its just to help pay for his expensive divorce or something.

What bothers me is that he just in this thread recently admitted he is not IMBRA compliant. In a recent thread about agencies in Cali this is what Dan wrote.

You should check ALL agencies against the Agency Code of Ethics, found here -- http://www.certifiedmarri...cies.org/index.php?pid=19

A quick scan of the agencies you referenced would seem to indicate they all fall short.

- Dan

I agree with Dan's remarks. However his remarks also hold true in regards to Latin-Wife.com.

Yet when I visit goodwife.com and visit the Agency Selection link I find advice and an article written by Jamie Morrow who is clearly an agency not in compliance with IMBRA and not a member of the Certified Marriage Agencies.  Which simply leads me to ask why is a single male immigrant non-IMBRA compliant agency owner the voice of selecting a good marriage agency for Good-Wife.com and their forums?

[Dan]

Now I don't follow his website much anymore or any of them just due to that I'm not looking anymore. But hasn't his rate jumped up 100 bucks recently? You'd think that would cover the cost of following IMBRA... unless its just to help pay for his expensive divorce or something.

What bothers me is that he just in this thread recently admitted he is not IMBRA compliant. In a recent thread about agencies in Cali this is what Dan wrote.

I agree with Dan's remarks. However his remarks also hold true in regards to Latin-Wife.com.

Yet when I visit goodwife.com and visit the Agency Selection link I find advice and an article written by Jamie Morrow who is clearly an agency not in compliance with IMBRA and not a member of the Certified Marriage Agencies.  Which simply leads me to ask why is a single male immigrant non-IMBRA compliant agency owner the voice of selecting a good marriage agency for Good-Wife.com and their forums?

>>why is a single male immigrant non-IMBRA compliant agency owner the voice of selecting a good marriage agency for Good-Wife.com and their forums?<<

Facts not in evidence - AND - allegations are irrelevant.

Point 1. "single male" - presumably referencing Jamie. Is he "single"? What difference does it make? There is certainly nothing in the ACoE about whether an agency is owned by a single or a married person. Neither is there any reference in IMBRA to the topic. Fact is - it is wholly irrelevant to whether or not an agency is honest and ethical - unless, of course, you are claiming that single people are dishonest (as a group) and married people are not. Is that what you are alleging?

Point 2. "non-IMBRA compliant" - there are numerous agencies who consider their operations exempt under IMBRA. In fact, the authors of IMBRA considered specific exemptions and wrote those into the law. In the ACoE, we cite the importance of adhering to laws in par. 2-B, but in those instances where a law contains exemptions, and said exempt status is claimed by the owner, there is no foundation for any allegation of impropriety. Are you claiming YOU have determined that Jamie is fully bound by IMBRA and that Jamie is non-compliant with that duty? Please clarify.

Point 3. "the voice of selecting a good marriage agency for Good-Wife.com and their forums" Is that what finding a single article by Jamie at GoodWife means to you? You may have missed it, but there are other articles there addressing related topics. Is it your impression that those, too, are "the voice" of GoodWife and PL? Maybe even more to the point, GoodWife, PL, RWD, CMA - all of our sites - we have LOTS of voices. That is one of our founding principles, and it is never more true than now. Want to be "the voice"? Submit an article - as Jamie did - and if it is deemed worthy, it may find its way to publication. One last thing - what, if anything, did you find objectionable or inaccurate in Jamie's article published at GoodWife? I believe he authored that several years ago, so perhaps there is something out of date that you'd like to bring to his attention?

- Dan

[william3rd]

(4) INTERNATIONAL MARRIAGE BROKER-

(A) IN GENERAL- The term `international marriage broker' means a corporation, partnership, business, individual, or other legal entity, whether or not organized under any law of the United States, that charges fees for providing dating, matrimonial, matchmaking services, or social referrals between United States citizens or nationals or aliens lawfully admitted to the United States as permanent residents and foreign national clients by providing personal contact information or otherwise facilitating communication between individuals.

(B) EXCEPTIONS- Such term does not include--

(i) a traditional matchmaking organization of a cultural or religious nature that operates on a nonprofit basis and otherwise operates in compliance with the laws of the countries in which it operates, including the laws of the United States; or

(ii) an entity that provides dating services if its principal business is not to provide international dating services between United States citizens or United States residents and foreign nationals and it charges comparable rates and offers comparable services to all individuals it serves regardless of the individual's gender or country of citizenship.
AND THE EXCEPTION CLAIMED BY THIS PARTICULAR AGENCY OWNER IS> > > > > > >

NOT LISTED?!?!?!?!?!? Shall we ask the US consulate specificall?

I ASKED A CERTAIN LEGISLATOR ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION AND YOU WILL NEVER GUESS WHAT THE RESPONSE WAS. . . . . . . .

[Dan]

(4) INTERNATIONAL MARRIAGE BROKER-

(A) IN GENERAL- The term `international marriage broker' means a corporation, partnership, business, individual, or other legal entity, whether or not organized under any law of the United States, that charges fees for providing dating, matrimonial, matchmaking services, or social referrals between United States citizens or nationals or aliens lawfully admitted to the United States as permanent residents and foreign national clients by providing personal contact information or otherwise facilitating communication between individuals.

(B) EXCEPTIONS- Such term does not include--

(i) a traditional matchmaking organization of a cultural or religious nature that operates on a nonprofit basis and otherwise operates in compliance with the laws of the countries in which it operates, including the laws of the United States; or

(ii) an entity that provides dating services if its principal business is not to provide international dating services between United States citizens or United States residents and foreign nationals and it charges comparable rates and offers comparable services to all individuals it serves regardless of the individual's gender or country of citizenship.
AND THE EXCEPTION CLAIMED BY THIS PARTICULAR AGENCY OWNER IS> > > > > > >

NOT LISTED?!?!?!?!?!? Shall we ask the US consulate specificall?

I ASKED A CERTAIN LEGISLATOR ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION AND YOU WILL NEVER GUESS WHAT THE RESPONSE WAS. . . . . . . .

William,

Surely you would agree that all we have is a limited set of facts. To the best of my knowledge, Jamie has never disclosed his form of business, nor the specifics that led to his attorney telling him his business is exempt from IMBRA. Unless you, or others, know something I do not - I don't think it is appropriate to condemn someone without compelling evidence.

For example, we know that Jamie at one time indicated he had spoken to an attorney and had been told he is exempt from IMBRA. Does anyone here have any better information? Based on ?

- Dan

[bcc_1_2]

Point 1. "single male" - presumably referencing Jamie. Is he "single"? What difference does it make?

You may have missed it, but there are other articles there addressing related topics. Is it your impression that those, too, are "the voice" of GoodWife and PL? Maybe even more to the point, GoodWife, PL, RWD, CMA - all of our sites - we have LOTS of voices.

With Jamie taking down the service that was in question (and based on the email he disclosed to PL we had good reason to question that service) I really only have one issue left about his association to the forum and website.

Common internet knowledge dictates that when you read a forum it is full of a bunch of posters writing their opinions. You, the guy who runs the forum, obviously don't agree or endorse everything that is said. But when you post an article directly to the menu bar on your website you might as well have signed the thing yourself. I have no idea when it was written, but guys are reading it and relying on that information today (May 25th, 2009).

The information in the article is fine. The problem is what is not in the article. There is a poster here who started a new agency in Medellin. Why not ask him if the issue of IMBRA should be included in choosing an agency?

I don't think there is anyone better than william3rd to write a few additional paragraphs on the subject to go with that article written by Jamie. William can write some of the risks of using an agency that does not provide background check info to perspective ladies. He doesn't have to write anything bad or good about Jamie or any other agency... just his legal opinion (him being a immigration attorney and all that seems fair).

Then when they visit Jamie's website or any other agency website they can weigh the pros and cons of an agency that does or does not provide the background information to the ladies. And they can decide for themselves.

As for the single male issue. Both long term married guys as well as divorced guys have a knowledge base of dating a foreign women that is worth discussing. However it is fair to note the history of single men running agencies. It would be interesting to know if Jamie is now a bedalatina... but that truly is just speculation as this point. What is fair to note is his removal of pictures of him and the wifey. Assuming he is divorced I'd just suggest that he would be far from an expect on successful relationships with a colombian wife.

[Dan]

With Jamie taking down the service that was in question (and based on the email he disclosed to PL we had good reason to question that service) I really only have one issue left about his association to the forum and website.

Common internet knowledge dictates that when you read a forum it is full of a bunch of posters writing their opinions. You, the guy who runs the forum, obviously don't agree or endorse everything that is said. But when you post an article directly to the menu bar on your website you might as well have signed the thing yourself. I have no idea when it was written, but guys are reading it and relying on that information today (May 25th, 2009).

The information in the article is fine. The problem is what is not in the article. There is a poster here who started a new agency in Medellin. Why not ask him if the issue of IMBRA should be included in choosing an agency?

I don't think there is anyone better than william3rd to write a few additional paragraphs on the subject to go with that article written by Jamie. William can write some of the risks of using an agency that does not provide background check info to perspective ladies. He doesn't have to write anything bad or good about Jamie or any other agency... just his legal opinion (him being a immigration attorney and all that seems fair).

Then when they visit Jamie's website or any other agency website they can weigh the pros and cons of an agency that does or does not provide the background information to the ladies. And they can decide for themselves.

As for the single male issue. Both long term married guys as well as divorced guys have a knowledge base of dating a foreign women that is worth discussing. However it is fair to note the history of single men running agencies. It would be interesting to know if Jamie is now a bedalatina... but that truly is just speculation as this point. What is fair to note is his removal of pictures of him and the wifey. Assuming he is divorced I'd just suggest that he would be far from an expect on successful relationships with a colombian wife.

>>I really only have one issue left about his association to the forum and website.<<

And that "issue" is - what, exactly?

>>when you post an article directly to the menu bar on your website you might as well have signed the thing yourself.<<

OK, if you say so - though I suspect the REAL authors of those articles would take exception to your odd interpretation.

>>guys are reading it and relying on that information today<<

Really?!? Why do you think so?

>>The information in the article is fine.<<

Good! Then you should have no complaint about its publication and use.

>>I don't think there is anyone better than william3rd to write a few additional paragraphs on the subject to go with that article written by Jamie<<

Did you miss the fact that William3rd is *also* published in the list of articles at GoodWife?

>>it is fair to note the history of single men running agencies.<<

Why is that "fair"? What, exactly, is your evidence?

>>Assuming he is divorced<<

Why assume anything?

This sort of rumor-mongering is pure gossip and means NOTHING except that those who engage in it can run their mouths (or keyboards, as the case may be). If gossipping is what floats your boat - have a ball - just don't expect to do it here.

- Dan

[Jamie]

Jamie, IMBRA is a law. I don't agree with it but I did comply.Do you inform your clients of IMBRA so they can decide for themselves what they want to do?

On this and other threads I have indicated I suggest to all visitors to the agency that one does contact a lawyer prior to coming to Barranquilla.

My clients will object . . . . . I keep confidences, even though you dont.

If I don’t then I would hope you could provide one example, but of course you can’t it’s just more wild accusations you are never able to support. You don’t need to reveal names to inform us of the specifics. Nor are you breaching a clients confidence by not providing what you believe is a numerical number for this great risk that you keep announcing. Is it 1 in 10, 1 in 100, 1 in a 1000 like usual you don’t provide any information, answers or help.

I cannot in good conscience recommend any agency that refuses to comply with IMBRA.

You do not recommend any agencies period one or more of them have reamed you and you hate them all. Maybe if you shared your story you can release that pinned-up anger you have.

There may be other moral or ethical reasons to refuse to recommend an agency

But your moral and ethics does not stop you from accepting such men as clients do they William. What would you do if a client of mine asked for your services what does your morals and ethics tell you do?

For those that don’t know William he has never answered one of my questions. What’s the backlog at now William, 25 plus? I know you went to the Crafty School of Law where they taught you to avoid questions and answer questions with questions and provide non-answers to question, but you’re just looking stupid to the reading audience with all this avoidance. Simple answers to simple questions that’s all we ask of you William. You can do it William? End the hostility and try to have a polite debate.

[valuedcustomer]

The best solution to IMBRA is to get out of gulag America.  I now live in a  European country and my lawyer tells me it would take about a month for me to bring a woman over here from Colombia.  What’s more, I don’t have to marry her if I register her as a partner.  Additionally, I could live with a woman from the Czech Republic without any visa.  I am a US citizen but IMBRA doesn’t apply to me. 

 

[GatoAzul]

Who gives monkey about IMBRA (or I'm bra) !!!    

[Researcher]

On this and other threads I have indicated I suggest to all visitors to the agency that one does contact a lawyer prior to coming to Barranquilla.

      Glad to hear it.So, you don't mention anything about IMBRA?

      Researcher

[Researcher]

To the best of my knowledge, Jamie has never disclosed his form of business, nor the specifics that led to his attorney telling him his business is exempt from IMBRA. Unless you, or others, know something I do not - I don't think it is appropriate to condemn someone without compelling evidence.

- Dan

 Dan,
   Here is a quote from Jamie's website:A customization service that meets your specific requirements: Personal Matchmaking, where we find the right Latin bride for you.


   Sounds like an IMB to me.


  Researcher

[Dan]

Dan,
   Here is a quote from Jamie's website:A customization service that meets your specific requirements: Personal Matchmaking, where we find the right Latin bride for you.


   Sounds like an IMB to me.


  Researcher

I am not in position to say one way or the other. What I *know* is this:

* IMBRA includes language that provides for specific exemptions.
* Jamie at one point posted that he had reviewed IMBRA with his attorney, and had concluded he is exempt.

Anything else is a matter of speculation. If you want more details - ask the source.

Having said that - each guy who considers doing business with an agency - ANY agency - would be well-advised to utilize the context of the ACoE for determining who is operating honestly and ethically. If they choose to transact business with an agency that fails to conform to the ACoE - that is their free choice - but at least it will be an informed choice.

- Dan

[Maria]

I got one word (OK maybe 2) for you all.

FACEBOOK & TAGGED. A list of women no agency owner can control and IMBRA law can touch.


FL

[OsageDave]

I got one word (OK maybe 2) for you all.

FACEBOOK & TAGGED. A list of women no agency owner can control and IMBRA law can touch.


FL

Sonico is very popular too

[Researcher]

I am not in position to say one way or the other. What I *know* is this:

* IMBRA includes language that provides for specific exemptions.
* Jamie at one point posted that he had reviewed IMBRA with his attorney, and had concluded he is exempt.

Anything else is a matter of speculation. If you want more details - ask the source.

Having said that - each guy who considers doing business with an agency - ANY agency - would be well-advised to utilize the context of the ACoE for determining who is operating honestly and ethically. If they choose to transact business with an agency that fails to conform to the ACoE - that is their free choice - but at least it will be an informed choice.

- Dan

IMBRA includes language that provides for specific exemptions:Yes it does, but Jamie doesn't fall exempt under any of it.

Jamie at one point posted that he had reviewed IMBRA with his attorney, and had concluded he is exempt.: As I recall, Jamie said that he doesn't have to comply because he isn't in the US.That may be good for Jamie but not for his clients who seek a K visa.

Anything else is a matter of speculation. If you want more details - ask the source: No, just read the law, read Jamie's website and read what has already been posted here. Remember "RIF" Reading Is Fundamental.


Researcher