Introductions seem the way to go.

[Luv4u2Cherrish]

I am enjoying reading all the insightfull posts by the members here.

I have noticed that the idea of meeting philipina's through friends, co-workers, co-workers and other men who are married to a philipina comes through on many posts as a great way to start.

With this in mind I am seeking philipina's, relatives of elegible philipina's, friends of available philipina's or co-workers to get acquainted with. This way they can get to know me and possible introduce me to a sweet lady that I could spend the rest of my life with.

I live near Seattle Washington, am 46 years old, great health, good looking, financially stable, employed with a great job, am divorced since 1999, and have two teenage daughters.

I am also open to other ideas you may all have in locating philipina's in the USA that are looking for a good man.

Please advise.

Sean

[joemc58]

Hey Luv4
             I live in the Seattle area, you might try this site   http://filipinofriendfinder.com/p/memsearch.cgi
             or friendster web site. or other sites. 
                                                               

[jm21-2]

There seem to be a huge number of Filipinos in the Bremerton area.

Maybe search for a Filipino church? e.g. http://www.tagnet.org/filipino/ . Or maybe some other groups? A quick google search turned up quite a few results...Filipino golf groups, etc. My experience has been that if you look into joining some sort of club/church/etc. primarily based on ethnicity, and show a genuine interest and respect for their culture, they are very happy to welcome you in.

[Bear]

Sean,

Where introduction I believe is the best way to go it is like all others a path you need to initiate it.  Before I met my wife I tried to meet Filipinas in the Houston Medical area and at church to no avail (although after I met my wife those avenues started opening).  I talked to every Asian woman I saw, asking about the Filipinas (I also knew a lot of Vietnamese and Korean, but I wasn't interested).  I did at one point have a Nurse at one of the Hospitals trying to match me with her sister (but I actually liked her daughter!)  I was unaware that I knew about 6 other sources who did have possibilities but I just got so focused on "one-way", I didn't see the others.  You'd be surprised at how many Filipinos you know - I was.

The Bear Family

[masonb]

Although many people on this site would disagree with this post I would recommend checking out this link: http://www.loveme.com/tour/ .  IMHO it eliminates the guess work in what your trying to do.  Check out the video testimonials on the site as well to get some feedback as to what others think of the service.  The choice is yours, this would simply be my recommendation despite the average person on this site.

[william3rd]

Well Well Well The AFA shill has returned. . . .

Didnt you just say a few days ago you wouldnt be posting their praises.

Shall we talk about the prostitutes at the socials, the abysmal success rates. . .
how about the K4I pornography links, their activities in the PI, How they failed in Thailand, how they havent had a single tour to Russia this year-October aside,

Lets talk about foreign ladies dot com and all the other names they have to hide under. I have a list of very unhappy people you can talk to as well as several former employees


The average person on this site is much brighter than you and obviously not on the payroll

[Cbear]

This is not the way to meet good quality women.

Most of the guys searching in Asia will find that ladies do not like it when you come to see more than 1 girl. So what if it backfires. If you took the time to really get to know the lady it won't.

Most of the guys who have success in Asia (and it doesn't seam to matter really which country) have done the meet just one lady thing. Otherwise you will lose respect and be considered a butterfly. You know, go from flower to flower but never settle for just one. It is a bad reputation to overcome once you get it.

Believe it or not, Asia is a small world to the people who live there. My plan A and plan B girl lived 400 miles apart but they managed to find out about each other and I was forced to choose. They know your talking to other girls, but they don't want to know. And you better not visit more than one or at least don't get caught.

So having a party with 50 single women is not conducive to finding real love. The girls who go to those are desperate, otherwise they wouldn't risk their reputation of being caught there.

No brother of father is going to let his virgin sister, daughter go to a meat and greet with a bunch of horny men they don't know. Good girls just don't do that.

I think you would have better luck marrying a prostitute from Angeles city than marrying a girl from one of these socials.

[masonb]

As far as singing their praises I disagree.  There are two sides to every coin and I was simply informing him of another way to do it.  Obviously we can agree to disagree, but if someone wants to know all of the ways to go about finding a foreign woman I feel it necessary for me to throw that option out there. Not EVERY person who has been on an Asian tour has had a bad time, on the contrary we have had many success stories.  Every business is subject to good experiences and bad experiences.  With that being said Luv4u2Cherrish can decide whatever he wants and no persuasion is intended on my part.  Just throwing out my 2 cents which in regards to your mentality on the matter seems more like 1/8th of one but I'm ok with that :-)

Enough said.

[jm21-2]

Mason,

I think you've seen about 100% of the Asian board members who have deigned to comment say such a tour is a bad idea in Asia. In the several years I have posted here I have never seen a tour suggested as a good idea by anyone who has traveled to Asia. While some on the latin board will advise that an agency is a viable option, I have never seen someone suggest an agency as a good option in Asia. The best you will probably get is a poor village girl looking for a "wealthy" foreigner and willing to marry almost anyone.

[masonb]

In your opinion jm21-2 do you think that personal introductions offered by an agency would be a bad idea?  I know that its is heavily agreed upon that if you are dating around and the girl knows that your dating around its frowned upon so it doesn't really make sense to actually go on an agency sponsered tour per say but maybe personal introductions.  What if she doesn't know you are keeping your options open?  What if you are introduced through an agency and the first person you have chemistry with you decide to date exclusively?  Do you think that would be a better way of doing it if you did decide to use an agency for asian women?  It just seems to me that if you have never done this before, and you have no friends or family who can personally introduce you to anyone with a cute asian daughter, niece, neighbor... whatever, your putting yourself at a lot of risk just finding one person online and then setting up a trip wholly around that one person.  Too much could go wrong.

Please advise.

[Cbear]

Oh man do I disagree with everything you just posted masonb.

No, meeting someone through an agency isn't going to work in most Asian countries, Vietnam may be the exception but there you are actually going to buy a bride and marry her in just a couple days after meeting her.

But no other Asian country can I think of where an agency will work. The girls aren't stupid, they will know they are only one item on the menu and you are still going to have the lower class girls doing it and not the quality woman who would make good wives. (I'm not saying a really poor girl cant make a good wife, but lets be honest about it, if she is destitute she will say and do whatever it takes to change her situation)

You will just not have real ladies signing up for an agency, it is about honor over there and this is not honorable. Only a truly poor girl sees honor in it because she sees it as helping her family. She will also have no qualms about using the dummy that marries her.

Secondly, you are not putting a lot of risk into this just because you go to see only one lady. If it doesn't work out then you are still in paradise so enjoy your vacation. But if you truly have taken the time to get to know your lady before you go then you won't be disappointed. But if it does go south all is not lost, everywhere you go nice Filipina ladies will smile at you. Put your self in a situation to talk with them. If they are a sales lady, buy something to start a conversation. All is not lost. Filipinas seem to really like westerners, you will have no trouble finding a companion to show you around, just be prepared to take her chaporones with you.

If all else fails, go to Angeles city and enjoy the night life. If that is what you came for anyway, you aren't gonna get it from a good girl anyway. Ask me how I know, LOL

[Bear]

I guess you could argue any methods benefits but I'd say lets talk about the "cons".  You'd have to point out two biggies with such a service.  1st would be costs.  There is no way you could say that the additional costs would make any result better.  2nd would be that in the Philippines all you have to do is walk out the airport doors to have dozens of girls all over you and that's only if the Filipinas on the plane don't have every minute of your visit planned.  3rd in addition you loose the benefit of peer pressure that introduction, my choice gives and 4th you’d have spent a lot of time and money before you have narrowed down choices to a good possibility because I have yet to know anyone who married their first effort and was successful. 

Such a service plays on the guy's natural fears of not knowing what to do and how to do it but disregards the free services and assistance that boards like this one offers.  It also disarms guys to the "user" aspect and it might be way too late in the relationship before a "user" is identified and where as such a service might offer "money back" it doesn’t give anything for the "pain and suffering" back.

I guess if you know some guys who want an expensive party then you got a business, but only fools who would have a chance of becoming an easy target in the Philippines, would expect to find a good chance at a successful marriage that way.  Filipinas tend to be very cruel and vindictive on "stupids" who are easily parted from their money with absolutely no remorse for their "pain and suffering".  I personally helped 5 different guys (and know two more) who had been "stupids", through their crying periods after being taken for everything they had, and having their hearts, or what was left of them, destroyed.  Happily I can say two of them managed to remarry and make it work but only after learning the hard way and such a service reeks of the hard way.  Slow and steady, asking questions and getting help is the best after having a friend and or family member introduce you.  Remember the goal is a successful marriage, not an expensive foreign fling where you are “swept off your feet”.  May be romantic but stupidly risky.

[jm21-2]

I agree with cbear. These girls aren't dumb. They know when they're in a situation where they're one of many. Some are willing to put up with that. A lot will be poor girls or girls willing to sacrifice for security. I submit that decent girls are not willing to put themselves out like that except I could see a personal introduction through a native-run agency be an option in certain scenarios. Namely if there was some explainable reason the lady felt she could only find the kind of mate she wanted in a foreign man. This could be because she is divorced, has a child, is older and single, or perhaps has had some exposure to your country through an exchange program or something like that. Keep in mind that in China these agencies often charge a large sum to help the lady find a mate.

In any case, it's so easy to meet girls online, why would you pay money for the service? There are dating sites, language leanring sites...hell, just sit on QQ late at night.

Make the first trip relatively short. At worst, things don't work out and you spend a few days in an interesting country. Or you can try hitting up the dating sites in country, or facebook, or whatever.

[Jeff S]

Agency is a very loose term. We're all accustomed to think about agencies by the original Russian/FSU model, effectively transplanted to Colombia. That kind of agency would be a bad idea in Asia, and are in fact, illegal in some countries, like the Philippines.

There are however, marriage agencies in Japan, but they're nothing like the Russia/Colombian model of marching a few gringos past hoards of smiling women all numbered for their selection. Yes, I know Colombian women can elect not to meet a particular gringo if she wishes, but it's more of a numbers game - a lot of girls and a few men. Most of the Asian "agencies" are used by locals as well as foreigners. Men and women are matched one to one by what they're interested in, compatibility, etc. Each can do a little research about each other and if there is an interest, a meeting is arranged. It is in essence a clearing house of marriage minded parties of both sexes too busy or otherwise unable to access a like-minded dating pool. Kind of like an uncomputerized Match.com. 

[Dave H]

Shall we talk about the prostitutes at the socials,

I agree with William!

In the Philippines, it is not only illegal to host introduction parties, but you will usually meet the lowest class of women! It would be luck to meet a nice girl...who perhaps ended up there by accident when she was looking for the wedding reception in the ballroom next door. I would sure hate to get caught up in a police raid! "White meat" is considered a real treat in Philippine jails! 

Dave

[william3rd]

As far as singing their praises I disagree.  There are two sides to every coin and I was simply informing him of another way to do it.  Obviously we can agree to disagree, but if someone wants to know all of the ways to go about finding a foreign woman I feel it necessary for me to throw that option out there. Not EVERY person who has been on an Asian tour has had a bad time, on the contrary we have had many success stories.  Every business is subject to good experiences and bad experiences.  With that being said Luv4u2Cherrish can decide whatever he wants and no persuasion is intended on my part.  Just throwing out my 2 cents which in regards to your mentality on the matter seems more like 1/8th of one but I'm ok with that :-)
enough said.

I really dont care what you are OK with. Shills are shills. You are not here with any sense of sincerity. You are here only to mislead. It is all money for you. I have quite a bit of insight on how your particular agency works. Your  dual sex tours/marriage tours especially repels me. In addition, your agency efforts to take advantage of the 9/11 disaster with tour donations was repugnant to many.

Tours to the Philippines are a crime. And your response is? OOOO they dont enforce that law much any more?  We shall have to see about that.


And your porn stars in latin america and russia. . . do you still let them be members? Seems to me the brain trust there is still trying to sell low quality retreads at a new tire price. Is your former office in Phoenix still a porn studio for K4I or did you all decide to have some separation.

For some real insights as to Loveme.com go to www.facesofsiberia.com and look under agency news. Ashley Neal has been waiting in vain to hear from your bosses for years ever since the Tyra Banks Show. . . .  he will be waiting for many more

One of the many points of views to look at is the ethical aspects of an organization. Your company has none. . And no amount of slick misleading advertising is going to change that.

Success being maeasured in marriages of 5 years or more--you are at about 15%, if that. You advertise70% engagements on a tour: by some of your own posters and by journalist reports, you are at about 30% engagements. About half will marry so my 15% is genererous.

The only thing that you really offer is a means to separate law abiding citizens from their  money. The guys are much better

[Capstone]

Although many people on this site would disagree with this post I would recommend checking out this link: http://www.loveme.com/tour/ .  IMHO it eliminates the guess work in what your trying to do.  Check out the video testimonials on the site as well to get some feedback as to what others think of the service.  The choice is yours, this would simply be my recommendation despite the average person on this site.

My question is why do you continue to promote and recommend illegal activities on this board? As it as already been pointed out to you on numerous occasions, introduction tours are illegal in the Philippines yet you still feel obliged to recommend this service to the OP who clearly stated that he is looking for a good way to meet Filipinas. And you are right, your recommendation is different than the average person's on this site as most of us recommend staying well within the confines of the law while visiting a foreign country.

[sean126]

Masonb,

I guess what everyone is trying to tell you is....it's like speeding in the U.S., yes...many times the police don't enforce it, but it is against the law/illegal to go faster than the posted speed limit and you are (in a way) telling people it's ok to speed because the law really isn't enforced....but the vets on this forum don't play that game and your not really listening.  99.9% of the people on this board are willing (and promote) to abide by the laws of the country your in and they will get testy when others try to promote, encourage, "throw around ideas" to the contrary.  It's just the way Planet love is here.

Everyone sees what your saying and they understand, but to be totally honest with you....they don't care.  If it's illegal, it's illegal. 

[Ray]

Ok I see what your getting at.

I can understand given the past experiences what all of you are saying.  I'm not going to continuously try to clear my name my conscious is clear.  The fact that I want to continue to remain on this forum may not mean anything to you guys but honestly I'm really enjoying taking part in this.

All BS aside I will make a promise to not bring up AFA unless it is brought up with me.   With that being said I can honestly say that even though I am considered the enemy because of how I initially started in this forum I still don't have any regrets.  In my POV I figured that the general reaction would have been the same if I just came out and said I worked for AFA right off the bat.

As far as me asking what WWDL was I honestly didn't know that it was a holding company for AFA, I just thought AFA was in and of itself.

Regardless I hope to learn more and more as my experience with this forum and my company progress, and don't be suprised if the topic of the company I work for isn't mentioned by me again as I have promised not to.

With that being said I hope we can let all this smoke blow over and just have some good conversations.

All BS aside?? ROFLMAO!

Well, I see your “promise” only lasted for what, 4 days? LOL!

And no, I for one am not one bit surprised that you broke your insincere promise and are once again singing the praises of your employer and promoting illegal activities in a foreign country where you have zero experience.

You’re so obvious!

Dan, have you considered a new category of poster… Agency Shill? 

Ray

[jm21-2]

Dan, have you considered a new category of poster… Agency Shill? 

Ray

Maybe like the "moderated" status?
"warning: possible shill"

[masonb]

I decided to break my promise because after doing some research I realized that I would only be doing this forum a disservice by not expressing both sides of the spectrum.

(more to come)

[Ray]

I decided to break my promise because after doing some research I realized that I would only be doing this forum a disservice by not expressing both sides of the spectrum.

(more to come)

         

[Capstone]

I decided to break my promise because after doing some research I realized that I would only be doing this forum a disservice by not expressing both sides of the spectrum.
(more to come)

You mean that you realized that you would be doing your bank account a disservice by not mentioning your employer's services - correct?

[masonb]

I don't think that name calling is necessary, and no actually I am trying to be informative.  I know I have not yet been very informative and have appeared uneducated on the matter.  I'm working on discussing each objection to what I have stated previously but it is taking a while as there were many.

[Cbear]

Ok, explain this, I looked at a ton of photos from the Philippines tours posted on your website. I can tell by the dance numbers the girls are doing that they are most likely prostitutes. Good girls don't dance in routines like that unless they are in a dance troupe.

Lots of mid drifts showing, good girls don't do that either.

The pics of the girls all running like crazy to meet the guys when they first get there. Yuck, can you say prostitute city. Again, a good girl isn't gonna do that.

The problem is you are introducing unsuspecting men on what is most likely professional scammers and prostitutes. At least on line they have a recognizable M.O. and an astute observer can easily spot a scammer and even the prostitutes. But meeting like this lets your guard down and you don't have an ocean between you to give you time to think about what is happening. These girls are most likely green card scammers, which is a different breed than money scammers. But they give off red flags online that you are going to misinterpret in person.

My guess is the only real reason (besides the bribes) that the local officials don't come down on you is because in their eyes you are getting rid of the scum ladies in their town.

I am sure that an occasional good girl is in the mix but she would be hard to spot in an environment like that.

There are a lot of agencies in LA but the guys seem to have a way of dealing with the bad girls there and it is a bit more acceptable for a good girl to join an agency there. You just aren't gonna find that in the Philippines.

If you want to set up an agency why not try Vietnam where it is more accepted, but of course your clients will be expected to marry the girl before he leaves and , OH yeah, it's illegal there as well.