amor de cartagena trip

[mudd]

i was laughing  my ass off reading this thread. it reminded me of my trip with ADC. i see not much  has changed in a year. any agency who say they are  a dating  or marriage agency, and their  rep is soliciting or providing   prepagos  for clients is not a legit agency. any agency who refused to remove any  girl for " questionable"  services is not a legit agency, and any agency who refuses to remove a girl profile, when she requests it, is also not a legit agency.

any reputable  agency will  kick out any clients requesting  hookers or prepagos, i know of a few who have done it.

maybe ADC  should be called   "amor de cartagena /  "if you want a prepago, we do that too!!!!!!  "  ja ja ja

[soltero]

Also lending your employees money when they asked.

Are you saying that they would put the touch on you from time to time? Let me get this straight...above and beyond what you pay for their services, you have to feed the guide, get them in wherever you are going, and then on top of that, they hit you up for cash as well? Do they actually say they want to "borrow" the money?

How often do they have their hands out?

[bad40]

My grandmother told me a long time ago that words are window dressings.. judge people by their actions, not their words. Your actions during the sales process were friendly.... your words during the aftermath are very unfriendly. Not once have you asked what would satisfy me in terms of compensation because you believe I have received "value" for money.

Hence I suggest the following... change your website to reflect what I received as services available for your current prices:
- hot water may or may not be available (based upon availability)
- you may or may not meet 99% of the ladies featured
- during Colombian holidays tour/transaltion services may or may not be available at your discretion

That would be fair. At least your perception would be consistent with what your clients could receive.

[bad40]

Soltero,
In addition to restaurant food, nightclub admissions and boat tickets.. which I considered par for the course... only one request to borrow cash. All of them were aware that my package was prepaid.

[soltero]

Soltero,
In addition to restaurant food, nightclub admissions and boat tickets.. which I considered par for the course... only one request to borrow cash. All of them were aware that my package was prepaid.

It seems like the guides/translators cease believing they are working for you after a while and consider that you are all buddies. What kind of situation can come up where a guy working with a client has the audacity to ask the client for some personal cash? Isn't he already getting paid?

[markanthony7]

Everyone keeps evading the question, if Bad 40 experience was as bad as he said it  was why is bringing her home?,

He clicked with not one but 2, certain ignorant people involved in this discussion keep tap dancing around the subject and attempting to malign the debate with all these erroneous accusations about prostitution and mu ddsling,

Mudd you are another one you have been to everybody's agency and you ;like the rest of them are not married or have a significant other but you are an expert, I am not intimidated by your malicious words, I know we have improved the quality of other peoples life's, just like we did for Bad 40 even though he refuses to give credit when credit is due

Bad 40 you stated in your last post that you gave us two days notice and I reiterate my statement that you are na ingrate, you need to educate yourself about high season in Cartagena and rate changes, likewise I explained that the condo did not have the same amenities as are regular rentals

Catz in my opinion this is fruitless discussion everyone has expressed their own and separate opinions, this nothing but mud slinging, Jerry Springer entertainment and if you agree I feel it should be terminated

[catz]

Each and every poster here has the ability to stop "mud slinging" at any time. They also have the ability to simply stop posting. I already informed the other mods that if they wanted to close this they could but I feel that it has value here, though mostly in a negative way, so unless one of them decides to close it or kill it I see no reason to stop someone from digging their own grave, so to speak, by continuing to post long after they should have stopped.

FWIW and JMO.

[bad40]

Mark,
Produce the email where you told me I would have to settle for an apartment with LESS amenities and I will apologise and retract my comment.
Otherwise I would say that your website (cartagenacondos) is dangerouosly close to being fraudulent.

[fathertime]

Are you saying that they would put the touch on you from time to time? Let me get this straight...above and beyond what you pay for their services, you have to feed the guide, get them in wherever you are going, and then on top of that, they hit you up for cash as well? Do they actually say they want to "borrow" the money?

How often do they have their hands out?

Luis (the street waif) has now, on the side, set up a profitable Lending Department.  He borrows money from newbie foreign travelers, and when it comes time to pay, he 'forgets' to pay or changes the subject. (Mark taught him that one.)

Seriously, I can't think of much worse representatives for the "Introduction business" than MarkAnthony and Luis.  

Catz in my opinion this is fruitless discussion everyone has expressed their own and separate opinions, this nothing but mud slinging, Jerry Springer entertainment and if you agree I feel it should be terminated

I don't think this discussion is fruitless.  It is entertaining to watch your implosion, and in addition it serves as a stark warning to any newbie that was considering using your agency.  

Lessons learned:
1.  Never use Ahor De Cartagena
2.  If you do use Marks' agency, never divulge anything personal about yourself or risk it being publicly displayed.
3.  Lug your own hot water.
4.  Be prepared to meet 1 out of every 30 girls you choose.
5.  If you commit your money up front, you will recieve no service

 

Fathertime!

[bigstew33]

omg I learned number 5.  I can't believe the longer this thread goes the more we learn about this "agency"  Luis asks to borrow money?  I am going to start having nightmares about Luis.  He is gonna get me in my sleep.  Freddy Kruger action. 

[markanthony7]

Bad40 there is no e-mail thats the whole point you called me by phone crying because Fabiany could not find you anything less than $200 a day, you tried to get a place on your own and when that failed then you came to me this is what is upsetting about your distorted account of the facts, I am through with this you are in grateful we helped you romantically, accommodations and you put us out their like that, there is an old saying I know, what "goes around comes around" you will "reap what you sow" when you exchange evil for good, we helped you find two young ladies you were more than content with and beautiful Ocean view condo, when you had no idea where you were going to stay at the last minute, We never promised you those amenities, I explained to you as you admitted in your prior post that you told us two days before you came!!!!, I am done, I will post no more I understand ignorance when I see it,

Pablo, Chizz, Bigstew, Fathertime, Mudd it does not matter if you have a good agency or bad one until you all have enough introspection to see you have serious personality issue you will never, never find love and companionship, you think you are experts but everyone of you has been to everybody and their brothers agency and you still have zero, zip, nada, it does not matter id the agency is good or bad, you all will remain in a revolving door of searching and never finding, THE END

[bad40]

Catz and others,

I invite you to review Mark's websites and judge for yourself whether fair trade practices were followed.

If numerous women are featured and contact info is sold - the women should available
(note: contact was attempted/ requested weeks before my trip hence the semana santa excuse holds no water)

If hot water is promised - it should be available

If exclusive translators are offered - they should be available

Mark has admitted that none of the above was available. The simple solution would have been... "Sir we are fully booked this week.. please postpone your trip to the following date".

Not even an apology. The only thing I got was a helpless shoulder shrug from Luis and an admission that some of the women that were friends of women featured only provided their info because of a spur of the moment feeling and that they weren't really serious about meeting someone. In other words, the women that never answer their phones.

There was one thing I found strange though. One of the other clients met a woman had requested to be removed from the website previously, but she still responded to his emails and agreed to meet him. In other words, sometimes the request to be removed is an emotional response to a bad experience and conditional upon the quality of the next person they meet.

[bad40]

Point of clarification

I never said it was Luis that borrowed money. It was another employee.

[bigstew33]

my bad, but still

[Ray]

I am done, I will post no more I understand ignorance when I see it

So you finally looked in the mirror and recognized your own ignorance...   

You'll never be done because you are simply too stupid to know when to shut up.

[Ray]

   

I think this is the most entertaining and the most educational thread of the year...

Catz, is there a way to give this thread six stars? 

[soltero]

Everyone keeps evading the question, if Bad 40 experience was as bad as he said it  was why is bringing her home?,

No one is evading anything. What does the fact that he may have tripped and fell  over a woman during his stay in Cartagena have to do with all of the complaints he has regarding your service?

What you are saying is that anyone who comes to Cartagena and makes an acquaintance has gotten all the success they deserve from your agency no matter what else happens during their stay?

Focusing on him meeting 2 women he was interested in out of 5 is just sad. If I had no other choices, I could probably pick 2 out of 5 also. That doesn't mean anything. You act like he found his soulmate when he has already stated that he just has a general interest in the two women at this point and would like to get to know them better.

[pablo]

There was one thing I found strange though. One of the other clients met a woman had requested to be removed from the website previously, but she still responded to his emails and agreed to meet him. In other words, sometimes the request to be removed is an emotional response to a bad experience and conditional upon the quality of the next person they meet.

Bad40,

I live in Medellin and one of the women that I contacted using Amor de Cartagena's email service has a relative living here.  When she was visiting her family she let me know she was in town and we arranged a date.  During our time together she asked if I could assist her in getting her profile removed from Amor de Cartagena.  I was surprised to say the least and asked her why.  She responded that she felt that ADC wasn't a good agency and she believed that there was prostitution involved with some of the members of Mark's agency.  She had previously requested from Luis to have her profile removed without success.  I agreed to contact both Mark and Luis on her behalf but never received a reply from either of them.  I thought incorrectly that Mark might have the decency to comply with her simply request but like before, he never responded and did nothing.  Her profile still remains there against her wishes. 

In spite of Mark's claims that there are tangents being brought up by certain members, which he likes to conveniently ignore, they are very pertinent to the discussion.  If you don't mind, I would like you to elaborate a little further on Luis offering you the services of prepagos not only to you, but to the other clients at Amor de Cartagena.  IMO, these are very serious charges.  Based on Mark's responses and his avoidance of giving everyone a straight answer, it is easy to draw one's own conclusion. 

Everyone keeps evading the question...

Mark,

I'm still waiting...why not remove that one girl's profile as she has requested numerous times?  The only one avoiding questions is you.

Surely you must be aware of the extra curricular activities by your manager Luis.  You can't have it both ways; trying to represent an agency that is legitimate while catering to the mongers as well, wouldn't you agree Rev?

[chizz]

Bad40 there is no e-mail thats the whole point you called me by phone crying because Fabiany could not find you anything less than $200 a day, you tried to get a place on your own and when that failed then you came to me  

So now Bad is a crybaby. There's only one in-grate on this forum and that's you. You need to thank the stars that he actually gave you and your crooked buisness a chance. He even said that he gave you a chance, after all that's been said about you from me and others. However, he had to find out the hard way, that when you do buisness with Mark, you will end up disappointed. I just hope this is a lesson to all future travelers who will be visiting colombia, stay away from amor de cartegena...THE END!

[pablo]

Mark,

Sorry, but I have a few more questions.  One of the attractive women on your web site (one of the three prominently featured on your rotating header*) has been working in China for some time.  Don't you think it would be more honest stating on her profile that she is not available while a client is visiting Cartagena? 

Just how many ringers do you have on your web site anyway? 

Also, how long will it take before you remove yet another forum banner from your web site?  Any one want to make a gentleman's bet as to when the P-L link mysteriously disappears off of Mark's main page?  At this rate, it probably won't be very long. 

*What do you know!  One of the other three ladies is that gal you placed on "probation"!

[bad40]

I am sure the request to be removed is valid in every case. A woman should not be forced to remain featured in the website. My example was merely the only one I personally knew about.

[caligula]

What is the procedure by which a girl has her profile
voluntarily removed from the ADC website sir?

In other words- who does she contact etc etc ...

thank you FOR ReSPONDING STRAIGHFORWArdly

[el capitan]

Everyone keeps evading the question,

Actually Mark, I think it's just you.

For over two years that I've seen you post, here, WLC, and GT, you have NEVER answered the questions put to you.  Never.  When a situation arises that calls you into question, y get your hackles up and start slinging mud like a little boy on the playground who doesn't want to play nice.

You also just don't know when to just shut up.

Last night, I even attempted to give you a hint..."leave the freakin' keyboard alone".  Did you listen? No.  You never do, you just ramble on until even you don't remember what it is that you were talking about, let alone the rest of us.  Simply said, you are a moron.  Is Luis ripping you off in Cartagena?  Probably.  Are you offering services that sound too good to be true, and then underdelivering?  Probably.  Will you continue to muddle along with your facade of an Agency in Cartagena?  More than likely.  You see, there is always going to be a Bad40, or a Pablo, or a BigStew that is going to give someone like you the benefit of the doubt, because they truly feel that people might be wrong about.  The bad part about it is, that you'll always let them down in the long run, because that's the way you operate.  Do whatever you have to do to get the sympathy card thing going....be it using Jaime as a unfair competitor, using the race card like you have here and at Gringotalk before, or abusing someone's good nature and throwing out innuendos about race, looks, comportment, weight, lack of personality...in general whatever it takes for you to get the upperhand, or the sympathy vote.  You are a name calling, school yard bully, Sir, that doesn't have the testicular fortitude to cough it up when the going gets tough.

How simple it would have been to say to Bad40, come on back down, and we'll make it right...and then just do it.  Instead, look at the trail of [snip] that you've left behind. 

To add insult to your own injury, here's probably another board that you'll never be able to show your face at again, because you've done too good a job....at flinging the feces.  I suppose we'll have to just start calling you Hugo....because just like Chavez as he didn't listen to the King of Spain, you just don't know when to shut the f*#k up.

Buena suerte...Chao Pescao!

[el capitan]

Oh, and by the way...I'd like to resume with the Trip Report, and see what Bad40 had to say....

Can we do that?

[william3rd]

William if you are an immigration lawyer you must be very incompetent one, I never saw a good working, sharp, intelligent  lawyer spend all day everyday posting on this board, have you been disbarred? something just is not jibing with me and all this free time you have to post all day everyday, other lawyers are in court, trials, depositions, pre-trials, preparing briefs, status conferences, etc; but you even in the early morning the busiest working hours of the day are posting sarcastic remarks with no foundation, you got to be some kind of low life lawyer

heheheheheheehee- maybe I am a semi-retired low life lawyer. You know an awful lot about pre-trials and the like- you pick up a county year in your past?!?!?!

Actually I have moved more into the field of cleaning up the messes that agency owners and scumbag tour agencies create with their overinflated success stories and nonsensical matchmaking methods; not to mention trying to find illegitimate ways for some of their girls to remain her- oh, sorry we werent supposed to talk about that Ahor de Cartegena faux pas.(Mark, that is FRENCH and is loosly translated as a social error). I have two court houses within 20 minutes of me here and two more within 40 minutes.

The immigration isnt like it used to be, Pilgrim. The numbers are way down from Europe and not that much higher from other places.