Author Topic: Cartagena report (Read 14661 times)

rogerramjet · « **on:** February 24, 2008, 02:29:41 AM »

This was my best trip ever. I didn't meet very many women worthy of marriage that were not working girls. I met a few; but it seems as if they are so jaded by all the guys going there just to get laid and/or getting engaged and never returning that they don't give themselves a chance. They assume that if you have been there more than a few times that you are not serious. Residing in Laguito doesn't help.

Almost all of my dates showed up late or called to move their dates to later in the evening to prevent me from scheduling more dates.

There are some issues with both of the two so called marriage agencies. Most of these issues are related to guys using the marriage agencies to do their mongering. I am not going to defend or badmouth them. I met some quality females. I met a lot of working girls. I may end up marrying a working girl.

The issues are what you would think the results would be after a lot of foreigners come to the country and [snip] all of the young and pretty girls who are looking for a husband. One agency doubles it's prices for introductions and doesn't have a lot of hot girls showing up for the group events. The other agency has lots of gorgeous women most of whom are not looking to get married; or maybe they are, but they have to eat and maybe have a kid to take care of.

bigstew33 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 24, 2008, 07:06:56 AM »

Quote from: rogerramjet on February 24, 2008, 02:29:41 AM

I may end up marrying a working girl.

Interesting. Working, I am assuming you mean hookers? Or did my mind wonder off ever so quickly?

Kiltboy1 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 24, 2008, 12:47:10 PM »

I met a guy on one of my trips, he was from England and fell in love with a "WORKING GIRL" plying her biz in Cartagena, took her and her child to santa marta, all kinds of places and wanted to marry her. He made visit to surprise her and found her talking up a guy in one of the clubs. He told her he came all this way to surprise her and ask her to marry him, she told him"sorry, I am busy with a client now". Take that as food for thought before you go start thinking that a relationship with one of these types can work. Impossible, no, Improbable, yes.

KB

Planet-Love.com · « **Reply #2 on:** February 24, 2008, 12:47:10 PM »

utopiacowboy · « **Reply #3 on:** February 24, 2008, 01:12:41 PM »

This is unbelievable to me. I take that back, it's quite believable. I just don't understand why a guy would contemplate marrying a hooker when there are so many available women who are not hookers. I am not criticizing hookers - they do what they have to do but marrying one would be insane. Try one of the thousands of widows in Medellin. Oh but they're too old for you or maybe they've got a kid or two. You're right, you're better off with a hooker.

osteve · « **Reply #4 on:** February 24, 2008, 02:59:37 PM »

Quote from: rogerramjet on February 24, 2008, 02:29:41 AM

I met some quality females. I met a lot of working girls. I may end up marrying a working girl.

I don't know what your plans are as far as getting married, maybe marrying a hooker isn't a problem for you(by "working girl" you mean hooker?). Just remember that this is a choice that YOU made and if it doesn't work out don't do like alot of guys who got "burned" do here and blame the entire country of Colombia and all the women there. I saw alot of guys in Colombia and Russia chasing after party girls and hookers and they wonder why they get burned....duh

bad40 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 25, 2008, 10:21:41 AM »

so.. i am not clear what your recommendations are.. which agency is preferable? also i are you suggesting that "in spite of" the fact that most of the attractive women you had dates with were "working girls", you still enjoyed your trip. it sounds like you are trying to say cartagena should be reserved for those only seeking a good time... no long term possibilities available. please clarify...

BogotaJim · « **Reply #6 on:** February 25, 2008, 07:11:21 PM »

Roger it took courage to say that you would consider marrying a working girl and for that I congratulate you for being candid. At our agency in Bogota we do a lot of fiance visas for American men who are thinking of getting married to a Colombian from Cali, Cartegena, or Medellin and in some cases it is obvious the guy is courting a "working girl". In most cases it is a win-win situation for both parties provided the girl has not been in the profession for very long. Many girls here particularly if they have a baby are forced into prostitution as a last resort. Many guys here because of time limitations meet these girls and quickly fall in love as they are so beautiful and innocent. The girls are not happy with their jobs and will leave in a minute if offered a better deal so the guy brings her and her child to the US and she gets another chance at a new life. He has 90 days to see if she will really behave and be loyal only to him. In most cases as far as I cAN DETERMINE IT WORKS OUT. tHE GIRL IS DELIGHTED as her husband is sharing the responsibility of raising the child. I do not condone this but it often works and the lives of 2 people are improved so it can be a very good thing. My only advice is get the fiance visa and take the 90 days to make sure that your beautiful young senorita really loves you. Buenas suerte !!

william3rd · « **Reply #7 on:** February 25, 2008, 08:24:51 PM »

Uhhhh- did you know that prostitutes are not able to enter the United States on a fiancee visa-unless they and their fiance lie to immigration? Ten year bar on entry, I think?

Jamie · « **Reply #8 on:** February 25, 2008, 08:28:22 PM »

I believe most prostitutes would end up being a big problem as wives. Most girls who prostitute themselves do so due their inability to be productive and value to anyone in other way then through sex which means there is not much content to them. It is hard to imagine such women being a trustworthy partner.

utopiacowboy · « **Reply #9 on:** February 25, 2008, 11:28:38 PM »

Nice. "Many guys here because of time limitations meet these girls and quickly fall in love as they are so beautiful and innocent." I don't think I'd describe any woman turning tricks for a living as innocent. But each to his own.

Kiltboy1 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 26, 2008, 06:40:15 AM »

JIM
Did you take a look at what you wrote. As an agency owner I am a bit surprised that you would help facilitate these types of relationships. I agree that a person should get a second chance after making a mistake, but to do it in a so called "LEGITIMATE INTRODUCTION AGENCY', is just bad biz. You run an upscale agency and guys pay a premium $$ amount to be a member and for that, is somewhat entitled to meet quality women of upstanding character as best an agency management team can filter out the working girls. I hope you will re-examine your comments and clarify for all of your current and your potential future customers exactly what type of women come in and out of your agency. Before I got married I seriously considered becoming a member of your agency and if this is the attitude that you are taking for your business, I am glad i did not pull the trigger.

KB

daytrader · « **Reply #11 on:** February 26, 2008, 07:19:08 AM »

Quote from: BogotaJim on February 25, 2008, 07:11:21 PM

Roger it took courage to say that you would consider marrying a working girl and for that I congratulate you for being candid. At our agency in Bogota we do a lot of fiance visas for American men who are thinking of getting married to a Colombian from Cali, Cartegena, or Medellin and in some cases it is obvious the guy is courting a "working girl". In most cases it is a win-win situation for both parties provided the girl has not been in the profession for very long.

an incredible comment.....out of all the thousands of eligible women.....

DayTrader

william3rd · « **Reply #12 on:** February 26, 2008, 07:43:50 AM »

Senility strikes many men without warning.

Prostitutes make a decision in their lives. It takes a certain type of woman. One that is not fit to be with a man.

I prefer mine to be a little lower mileage and I dont think the agency owner gives a warranty if things dont work out. . . .

Planet-Love.com · « **Reply #12 on:** February 26, 2008, 07:43:50 AM »

Ray · « **Reply #13 on:** February 26, 2008, 01:29:10 PM »

Quote from: william3rd on February 25, 2008, 08:24:51 PM

Uhhhh- did you know that prostitutes are not able to enter the United States on a fiancee visa-unless they and their fiance lie to immigration? Ten year bar on entry, I think?

Good point William.

I know the Form DS-230 states that aliens who engaged in prostitution or procuring within the past 10 years are ineligible for a visa.

The Form DS-156 Nonimmigrant Visa Application appears to exclude anyone who has ever been a prostitute or procurer of prostitutes, unless a waiver is obtained.

Also, making a false statement I believe results in a lifetime banâ€¦

osteve · « **Reply #14 on:** February 26, 2008, 08:08:46 PM »

I believe it was Snoop Dog who said "you can't make a ho a housewife"

BogotaJim · « **Reply #15 on:** February 26, 2008, 09:02:39 PM »

WOW - Another shark attack from all the negative sharks. I will respond only to the worst attack which follows :

JIM
Did you take a look at what you wrote. As an agency owner I am a bit surprised that you would help facilitate these types of relationships. I agree that a person should get a second chance after making a mistake, but to do it in a so called "LEGITIMATE INTRODUCTION AGENCY', is just bad biz. You run an upscale agency and guys pay a premium $$ amount to be a member and for that, is somewhat entitled to meet quality women of upstanding character as best an agency management team can filter out the working girls. I hope you will re-examine your comments and clarify for all of your current and your potential future customers exactly what type of women come in and out of your agency. Before I got married I seriously considered becoming a member of your agency and if this is the attitude that you are taking for your business, I am glad i did not pull the trigger.

KB

Dearest KB - Had you read my post you would have noticed that Bogota was not mentioned

? guess why

? I have never done a fiance visa for a client with a prostitude from Bogota. The reason being we run a legitimate agency and charge a fair price so guys have no need or desire to meet "working girls ". Most of the guys who are bringing these girls back to the US are the "do it yourself " types who come down here and do not join an agency and then find it difficult to meet good ladies on their own so they end up in the casas with working girls. I need to point out that most prostitudes here are under the age of 25 and most are 18 to 21 with a child. They are not the professionals you are used to seeing in the US. They are forced into prostitution because of severe economic problems. There are few jobs and they have a child and the father is no where to be found. This is a sad situation here and I don't have any answers or solutions but I do feel sorry for most of these girls, these girls are part timers and not drug addicts like in the US. Once a girl has been a prostitude for more than 90 days the situatiion appears hopeless. I believe I did mention that I do not condone these arrangements but I live here in the real world and I see it too often BUT fortunately many of these romances work out for both parties and we have a win-win situation. So whats so bad about giving a person a second chance and then watching as they take advantage of it and make a great wife for a lonely guy ?? How can so many guys here be so negative

william3rd · « **Reply #16 on:** February 26, 2008, 10:33:25 PM »

:oThank you for explaining that these relationships really really REALLY work. Most professionals who are not laying on their back to make their living disagree with you. $:-\$ .

DO they have ex-lax down there in the land of milk honey and tortas? Take ten and then revisit this thread. . . . .

fathertime · « **Reply #17 on:** February 26, 2008, 11:09:25 PM »

I wonder how many men here and elsewhere have unknowingly married former 'part time' prostitutes.

My impression is that it is possible for prostitutes to reintegrate into normal society, with minimal baggage. I would think that most are never quite the same and would be challenging in marriage. If I knew a woman was a former prosititute, I would not want to be married to her, it just would not sit well with me.

Fathertime!

Ray · « **Reply #18 on:** February 27, 2008, 04:56:51 AM »

Quote from: fathertime on February 26, 2008, 11:09:25 PM

My impression is that it is possible for prostitutes to reintegrate into normal society, with minimal baggage. I would think that most are never quite the same and would be challenging in marriage.

Yes, it is possible, though I wouldn't recommend it.

I've known several guys in the Navy who married former working girls and surprisingly, maybe a third of those worked out great over the long haul. But as Bogota Jim has pointed out, many of these "prostitutes" overseas are nothing like the typically stereotyped crack-whore street walker we think of here in the States. Some of them are actually very nice people compared to some of the AW's I've known.

bigstew33 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 27, 2008, 05:01:45 AM »

I was thinking about this just for about 2 seconds. I think everyone should get second chances. But you have to wonder what kind of emotional baggage a working girl would bring to a relationship. You have to remember when you see these girls they look normal, and seem happy but that is them selling themselves. No one would be with a working girl that looked depressed, or like a serial killer. I just say you would have to be more patient with this type of woman. You would really want to know how emotionally stable she is. I agree with Fathertime about how many of us really know if women we have met in the past was at the time or in the past a working girl. Everyone is looking to upgrade their lives. We do it by looking in a foreign land for a woman. A more pretty woman, or better housewife etc...Just as the women look for a man that is stable emotionally, and financially.

Peace fellas

william3rd · « **Reply #20 on:** February 27, 2008, 05:42:29 AM »

They are in it for the money. They make it on their backs because they have looks and so they dont have to work hard like their contemporaries who are not prostitutes.

Why in the name of God whould you go overseas to find a prostitute to marry? Go to Vegas. Oh, that's right-you guys cant AFFORD the high dollar Vegas girls. . .even the ones with the cute accents.

HEADLINE-COLOMBIAN MARRIAGE AGENCY OWNER GIVES NOD TO PROSTITUTE MARRIAGES FOR US BRIDE SEEKERS

Kiltboy1 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 27, 2008, 07:11:15 AM »

Jim

I misinterpreted your post then. As long as you are not doing this from your agency, then I understand what you are saying because I have run into some guys in my travels that are "ENABLER" types that get a charge on one side for having a working girl for a wife and on the other, a sence of accomplishment for thinking they are helping someone get out of a sad situation. marriage to a Latina is hard enough without the complications of a questionable background and I also find that they can be seperated into the actual "working girl and prepago" catagories. It is a thin line, but there are subtle differences. Having been to Colombia some 20+ times, I have seen firsthand the type of women you talk about. My opinion is that some yes are desperate and need $$ to feed her child, but more times then not, they could work a regular job and make ends meet, but choose to hook because it gives them the fast money to keep up with the jones so to speak with nice clothes, ceel phones, ect and that is a choice made by a woman that could never really grasp being a devoted and faithful wife. The women on your website look very professional and completely my type and I am happy to hear that this is not the type of women in your agency

KB

raycjs · « **Reply #22 on:** February 27, 2008, 11:55:08 AM »

I would have to agree with the guy's thinking it would be very hard to date and marry a working girl.... I am sure you can still work a Mc Donald's or even the mall for a few dollars day then turning tricks. I believe that any women that can sleep with many differnet men in a single day... Has to have some issue in her mind and i truly think that without some serious consoling to help her forget what she has done is wrong Also what stops her from turning tricks everytime she falls on hard times in Colombia or here in North America. Good luck on this one i am a true believer in giving 2nd and 3rd chances but good luck.......

Ray

Planet-Love.com · « **Reply #22 on:** February 27, 2008, 11:55:08 AM »

Researcher · « **Reply #23 on:** February 27, 2008, 06:37:52 PM »

I have to say that when it comes to looking for a wife in another country I'm pretty positive about it. I looked for quite a while and have met alot of women in doing so. I guess I just don't see why any guy would choose a prostitute to marry when there are so many other available women out there. I'm sure there are many women who have been "working girls" in thier past who are looking for someone to marry but to knowingly choose a prostitute(whether new on the job or not) just isn't a good idea. Neither is coming to a woman's rescue. In my experience and IMO, I didn't find success until I started focusing on what I wanted in a woman and I knew I wouldn't find that in a brothel...

pontiac · « **Reply #24 on:** February 27, 2008, 07:13:32 PM »

You're off base this time bogota jim. I certainly wouldn't ask you for advice about finding a good woman.
Maybe you should change your handle to "hooker jim".

William hit a homrun: "HEADLINE-COLOMBIAN MARRIAGE AGENCY OWNER GIVES NOD TO PROSTITUTE MARRIAGES FOR US BRIDE SEEKERS".

Why would anyone want to marry a prostitute when there are so many nice Colombian women?

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