Bogata LLM Trip #2

[dennislevy]

Thanks for the messages in response to my first report.

There was an LLM agency party tonight about 7 guys and 40 women and an agency breakfast tomorrow.  Since I speak enough Spanish for conversations, I walked up to women, introduced myself and off we went.  The conversations are very quick and direct, some light chatter, then quickly how old are you? how many any kids and a couple of women asked very quickly about my job.  Many of these women are interested in cutting to the chase, as well. After the party, I had a difference of opinion with another member, he thought that since he paid his money as a client, he didn't have a responsibility to be at the party and "sell the product" if he didn't want to be there. He's a guy who is an agency veteran in Bogota and Costa Rica  My attitude is: "We are one of the two products that the agency has, if we don't show up the other product (the women stop coming to the parties).  I'm curious to knwo what guys who have been agency clients think. 

I had a good time at the party, circulated, talked to a bunch of girls, saw two women from my citas during the last couple of days, kissed them on the cheek, said hello and moved on.  I tried to make every woman I met laugh, but I was very honest about my age range, etc. 

Jim Southard introduced me to a beautiful woman, professionally "dressed to kill", and I figured since he knew the kind of woman I was interested in meeting, and he brought her over to meet me (and not Ximena or Margot), she might be "a live one."  Within 3 minutes we moved to a couch in a more quiet room and he was right, 20 more minutes, we were across the street for coffee, we talked for a couple of hours and made a date for dinner tomorrow night, another big investment of $2.50.  A classy highly educated elegant woman, speaks terrific English..

Some general thoughts and observations for the board

You can stay active and schedule second dates with women knowing that no one is perfect and that this one won't end in a realtionship or you can sit around the agency and bitch that the agency isn't working hard enough for you. 

You're responsible for your own activity level, you've got to tell the office staff who you want to meet and you have to work the agency parties.  Tip the agency staff, they will work harder for you.  One guy was complaining that every time he came to the agency, he got less and less results. I asked him if he tipped the office staff and he looked at me like I was crazy. And there is a sign on the door that reads: the agency staff is grateful for your tips.

You're also responsible for making yourself into a good client.  Learn the language (I cannot enmphasize how important it is to have some Spanish under your belt) because it increases the dating pool for you) dress well for your citas, be honest with the women you meet, a lot of what happens comes back to the agency and if they give a good recommendation about you to a girl on your list, she will probably be more inclined to come in for a first cita.

Running total for 2 days and one night:
6 coffee citas
Two lunch dates,
One night date with a terrific girl and we went out with Jim and his wife,

An agency brunch tomorrow , tomorrow, 2 more first coffee citas and an evening dinner date.

Stay tuned.

Dennis   

   


           

[daytrader]

Excellent post Dennis...I compliment you on your technique, I doubt it can be done any better. 

If a latina in the first conversation gives me the 3 questions rapidfire (age, job, kids) early in the conversation, I will brush her off immediately.  A good question that throws ladies for a loop, is "what was the last book you read?" 

The best experiences I've had with latinas is - they never ask your age directly.  You either turn her on or not. 

This is to be a fun, ROMANTIC slice of life, not a southern version of an American singles scene.  The latinas I've dated are mui romantico, else I prefer to stay single and unencumbered. 

Exit question, how much do you tip Slim Jim? LOL

DayTrader

[sean126]

Great report dennis. I enjoyed reading it.  Looks like your having fun.  Go get'um!!!!

It's a shame that tipping the staff is encouraged, promoted and up to a certain point...required if you want more out of them.  Don't get me wrong....I always took good care of my translator, waiters, ect.....but that was AFTER the service was performed, this looks like a "tip us now or get the bare minimum service possible" kinda thing, which turns me off... extremely.  You've already paid for the service and you should expect 100% effort on the agency's part instead of hidden and unspoken charges if you really want the 100% effort.  To me...that's almost a con.  They get you down there and then you find out the level of their sincerity, work ethic and commitment is tied in to how much you tip them before they even do anything for you.  That's the only way I see it and I have to wonder if you thought the same thing since you mentioned "tipping" to that guy.   To me, that is uncalled for by any reputable agency that claims they will give you 100% effort.   Its one thing to tip them AFTERWARDS and before you leave...but to tip them beforehand?  Thats another way of saying.....Con, "we lied to you", "we didn't tell you about all the "secret charges"", "I know we charged you one price..but the "real" price is"....ect.. My opinion of this agency's practice is in no way a reflection of my opinion about you, so don't think I'm taking jabs at you in any way.  I know He's your buddy and I don't want to get into it with you over someone else's agency, but I just don't agree with the way that agency runs things.  To me, it's not that far from "milking" a hopeful gringo...which is the same thing as a con to me.  I like to know the price upfront and I hate surprise taxes or hidden charges, especially after I'm already in another country and can't do anything about it except bend over and take it.  No matter how good an agency appears....they can never claim to be sincere, honest or trustworthy (and actually expect to be taken seriously) when they have a policy like that in place, because obviously...their level of sincerity goes up in proportion to the amount you tip them.

However, I did enjoy reading your report and I look forward to the others.

[michaelb]

I had a difference of opinion with another member, he thought that since he paid his money as a client, he didn't have a responsibility to be at the party and "sell the product" if he didn't want to be there.       

? Then why was he even there? Did he expect the staff to round up women for him by saying "I want you to go meet Bob. He's a PC* who doesn't have to present himself in person, but he did pay his money, so one of you has to do her duty for the agency and fall in love with him."?


*PC = Privileged Character, one who does not have to follow the rules and/or exert any personal effort, the original meaning of the term.

[Researcher]

   
   Your trip sounds good so far Dennis.You have the right attitude for success.I took about the same approach as you because I knew that it was up to me to find the right woman.I don't know why some guys want the agency to pick their ladies for them. I appreciated the agencies help but in the end I made my decision.As far as tipping goes, I tipped everyone that worked at the agency the last day of my trip(and it wasn't much).They really seemed to appreciate it.Also, another member suggested that I bring candy from the US with me to give out when I arrived there.I really didn't think that would do much but the staff seemed to appreciate that alot also.Again, that didn't cost me that much.I think it is more the gesture than anything else.The tipping at the end was my idea and was not expected by the agency.Anyway, good luck on your trip Dennis....keep us updated..

[daytrader]

   
   Your trip sounds good so far Dennis.You have the right attitude for success.I took about the same approach as you because I knew that it was up to me to find the right woman.I don't know why some guys want the agency to pick their ladies for them. I appreciated the agencies help but in the end I made my decision.As far as tipping goes, I tipped everyone that worked at the agency the last day of my trip(and it wasn't much).They really seemed to appreciate it.Also, another member suggested that I bring candy from the US with me to give out when I arrived there.I really didn't think that would do much but the staff seemed to appreciate that alot also.Again, that didn't cost me that much.I think it is more the gesture than anything else.The tipping at the end was my idea and was not expected by the agency.Anyway, good luck on your trip Dennis....keep us updated..

.....CLASS.....this type of behavior smooths the path for future love-starved Americanos to be treated well by Colombians.....

I always avoid giving tips before the trip is complete, however, there are ways to let the ladies know you value their services by a kind word, smile and trinkets or flowers (for all the gals in the oficina).  $15 for flowers (and a card expressing thanks to the staff) early in the trip melts a latina's heart, they will consider you far above the competition! Latin men will be impressed by your gentlemanly qualities and they will give you their best efforts in translating or transportation. 

 
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[rogerramjet]

Good advice. You have to be proactive and take charge. Bogota is on my radar if things don't work out for me this time in Cartagena.

[singlefather no more]

Hello Dennis,

I am glad things are going well for you.. Keep up with the great trip report posting... Your special lady is waiting for you there somewhere.

Take care and be safe,

Keep smiling,

singlefather

[Kiltboy1]

Nice trip reports. Even though I am very happily married, it does bring back lots of good memories of the hunt and how fun it can be. I like Bogota a lot and if the weather were better, it would be hands down the best city in Colombia. I appreciate how educated, professional and serious the women are there. That will make your search a lot better experience I think. Good luck and nice reports.

KB