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Author Topic: When the problem is your family....  (Read 10078 times)
Hoda
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« on: October 20, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

At the request of Irmao & others....I would like to visit the topic of what happens, when your family and/or friends might have some difficulties with the color of your wife from South/Central America. Let this thread also include cultural differences, which can also feed into inter-family hostilities.

Several White friends who have married women, who are tan/brown/black skinned have experienced various degrees of hostility from their family & friends. So far, only one marriage has been destroyed by a families hostilities. Without "outing" members by name or the city they live in. I'm hoping that their experiences will be helpful to those who share their pain & for those who might.

Do any of the following sound familiar?

- Son, I want you to be happy, it's just...your wife, well she's...

- Are you doing this to spite me?

- You just had to go to XXXXXX! You couldn't find a nice White woman here?

- Can you believe that XXXXXX went to XXXXX to fulfil his Black fantasy?

- Mi Amor, why is it that your family NEVER visits us?

- Mi Amor, what do I have to do in order to be accepted by YOUR family? I'm a good wife & mother to our children. What more, must I do?

- You better make your mind up now! It's either your family or that, that...woman!

- She only married you for citizenship. Before you know it, her whole damn family will be living in your house!

- Bring her into this house & I'll remove you from my will.

These are just a few of the actual comments, that men had to put up with. Fellas, the floor is open. Please feel free to post comments, experiences, solutions. I know, that this is not one of our usual "warm & fuzzy topics" but let's expand our range of thought, to include matters that will contribute to ones success in the quest.

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Scott
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to When the problem is your family...., posted by Hoda on Oct 20, 2004

Well.... My first and only, so far, was never really accepted by my parents od siblings.  There was always some tension, resentment...  Why did you marry her?  What do you seee in her?  So-and-so is this-or-that, but don't tell your wife.  You better not take her back.... on and on.

She was a TEXAN and she let everybody know it.  She was a damned fine woman.  No matter how hard she tried, or what she did for them, she was just never accepted.  We just ended up on diverging paths.  I used to tell her, and every Texan I meet, and still do, that if bullshit was a cash crop, every Texan would be a millionaire.  And I like Texas and Texans very much, lived in Austin for many years and loved it.

How do you make a midget?  Slap the crap out of a Texan.

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doombug
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to When the problem is your family...., posted by Hoda on Oct 20, 2004

I hear a lot of the "why won't you find someone here (in the U.S.)?" from coworkers.  Or, comments that insinuate that she is a green-card seeker; that I'm being set up.

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Irmao
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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: When the problem is your family...., posted by doombug on Oct 20, 2004

yeah,  

the US women will always say that, but the US guys will stop once THEY travel to latin america

agree with Kented's post too.

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kented
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: When the problem is your family...., posted by doombug on Oct 20, 2004

...they will change their minds when they see her.  

I'm divorced from a Colombiana (a bitter year) and I'm sure some people think I'm an idiot for going back.  I have season tickets to Broadway shows when they come to Phoenix and the audience is mostly older, rich and white.  

I'll be with he prettiest woman in Gammage Auditorium and they can enjoy thinking what they like.  

Bottom line on all this is that whatever people think, you've got to do what makes you happy.  It's your life.

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Troy
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to When the problem is your family...., posted by Hoda on Oct 20, 2004

I have been getting that citizenship comment a few times; although not from my family or friends, just people I work with.  Sometimes, it comes out of jest, but it is still disrespectful to me and her.

Another problem I am having is telling certain people I met her via the Internet, as if I was too desperate to meet someone the traditional way.  Lately, I've been saying I met her during a vacation to Peru, which, technically, is correct.

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Locii
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to citizenship comments, posted by Troy on Oct 20, 2004

Hi Troy,

I totally agree with you that it is VERY disrespectful...though people are just ignorant and probably not mean to say it.

That said, I find the best responses to idiot comments/questions are to give it right back, with, say:

"...I found her on a virgin-bride farm in the jungle..."

"...I bought her from a drug cartel..."

"...I only married her to get a Peruvian passport..."

"...her family kidnapped me on my vacation and I was force to marry her..."

"...I found her stowed-away in my luggage when I got home..."

If one must suffer the fools, one might as well try to enjoy it.

I also strongly suggest that you say that you met her at a Lima Star Trek Convention.  The dazed state that will put the listener in as they imagine her in pointy ears will gave you ample time to make an escape.

Ok, I've DEFINITELY had too much coffee.

Ciao

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Troy
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: citizenship comments, posted by Locii on Oct 21, 2004

thanks, and some of those responses are very tempting...
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kented
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: citizenship comments, posted by Locii on Oct 21, 2004

Great answers.  I may need to borrow a few of them.
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kented
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to citizenship comments, posted by Troy on Oct 20, 2004

Lots of people meet on the Internet.  There wouldn't be so many web sites if it didn't work.  

You did meet her on a trip to Peru.  Being pen pals didn't determine anything but that you'd probably have a drink together during your trip and thanks to your letters you didn't meet  a total stranger.

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Troy
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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: citizenship comments, posted by kented on Oct 21, 2004

i told an administrator that I met her via the internet and she gave me that split second double-take.  i sometimes wish my co-workers would just mind their own business.
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kented
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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: citizenship comments, posted by Troy on Oct 21, 2004

You didn't MEET her on the Internet.  No one ever meets anyone of the Internet.  

Would you be prouder if you had met her in a bar?  All that would mean is that you both drink.  One could infer that a lady going to a bar to meet men is not particularly admirable.  

I have written E-mails to people before I MET them.  The Internet is anonomous and no one has to tell the truth on the Internet so you never know much about the people until you are face to face.

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Chris F
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to citizenship comments, posted by Troy on Oct 20, 2004

I think meeting a person over the internet is nothing to be emabarrased about. It may have had a negative stigma attached to it a few years back but not anymore. Millions and millions of people use Match.com, E-harmony, and Yahoo personals everyday.My ex girlfriend and her sister both met their current husbands on the internet. And two good friends from work met their boyfriends on Match.com. When people ask me where I met my girlfriend I just tell them a dating service over the internet that just happens to be in Lima Peru. No one really cares its the internet or surprised.

Internet dating is nothing new anymore and very widely accepted.

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yc
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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to When the problem is your family...., posted by Hoda on Oct 20, 2004

Greetings P-L listers and lurkers...

Hoda, I see you have been made a chief.  Congratulations!  I can not think of a better person to be moderator.  I guess you accepted this responsibility to give something back to the forum that contributed to you finding love, as well as for the challenge and learning experience.  You do not seem like the person to leap before looking.  However I get the feeling that after agreeing to be moderator, the same thoughts that went thru Morgan Freeman's character mind in the movie "Glory" went thru your head as well.  In the scene where he was being promoted, that thought was summed up in the comment "I don't think I be wantin' this sa." LOL

I also see very few of the old cats still posting here.  Quite a span of time has past since I last posted here myself so I doubt you will remember me.  Been doing a little browsing thru the archives lately to bring myself up to date.  Man, much has changed since the early days.

Any how, to the thread at hand.  I already anticipate a negative reaction (or even backlash) to any relationship other than black/black.  Certain members of the family have made this known in no uncertain terms. Personally I have encountered or been a witness to this negative attitude.  Thats just the ways things are from my neck of the woods.  In this much, I can concur with Phoenix/Clay.  But on the flipside of the coin, I do not feel the need or desire to prove anything to anybody.  One thing I have learned, is that no race immune to being prejudice.  All are guilty to one degree or another.  When someone judges a person based on their skin color or cultural background instead of the content of that person's character, nothing more needs to be said.  Most folks that hold such an idea have a certain bitterness about them (misery loves company and can be contiguous).  My siblings are more accepting to the idea of an interracial or intercultural relationship.  Its the moms, pops, aunts, uncles thats the problem.  My friends, at least the ones I trust, have no problems with the idea.  They just want me to be happy.  Given that my immediate family as well as most of my extended family are disfunctional to begin with, I have very little to loose in pursuing this coarse.

mis dos centavos

ciao

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Hoda
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: When the problem is your family...., posted by yc on Oct 20, 2004

You are definitely P-Love "old school". Very funny with the "Glory" quote :-) You still living in North Catla Lacky? I feel you in regards to the elders inflexibility on the love of your life. It's funny how the elders, the one's who have first hand experiences with bigotry, would harbor such attitudes towards your lady. I took a peek at your archived post. Your interest covered Madagascar to Manilla. Just where does this lucky lady come from? Yc, you've been gone way to long, money....

Don't be such a stranger

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