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Author Topic: Long Over-Due Brazil Trip report  (Read 11349 times)
MarkInTx
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« on: April 08, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

Brazil was an interesting experience for me, and unlike my other travels.

I know that what is most interesting to people on here is “How is it as a place to go to look for a wife?”

That answer is hard to come to.

There are some things that make it less attractive to the “Wife Hunter” than other places.

* The women are (mostly) not eager to leave

* There are no agencies to help you.

* You (probably) don’t speak the language


The things that Brazil has going for it are:

   * The women are sexy, sensuous, and sexual

* It’s very easy to get there

* It’s MUCH safer than Colombia


The process:

The sad truth is that if you’re not a letter-writer, you probably will not be successful in Brazil. It will be very difficult to just go and meet several women. (Unless you speak Portuguese, in which case, Brazil is your Oyster…) There is no one, really, in Brazil to help you set up dates or appointments. There is no bed and breakfast set up like in Colombia. There are not many “tours.” The only Tour I am even aware of is run by Fire and Passion, and heads to Rio. Personally, I would be skeptical of a tour to Rio, and I will explain why later.

To get women’s names and addresses, there is really only one game in town, and that is BrazilGirls.com. There are two other agencies that I know of, but the amount of women they had on their site that I would have been interested in was very minimal. You may get lucky on one of the other sites, but statistics are against you. For instance, matchmaker.com has a site for Brazil now. I did a search and found 18 ladies. One was gorgeous, five were not, and the others didn’t post pictures. These aren’t good odds.

On the other hand, BrazilGirls.com has literally hundreds of drop-dead gorgeous beauties.

The problem is that the rest of the world, even those not planning on going to Brazil to seek a wife, has found BrazilGirls.com. An attractive lady on BrazilGirls.com is getting a hundred letters a week. Most of these letters are from “losers”, but it doesn’t matter. If you are getting a hundred letters a week for several months, it gets very hard to even open your mail after awhile.  It is even worse if, after you have opened five hundred letters, only ten of them have been interesting to you at all.

I went through this on the other end when I placed an ad in Ukraine. I got hundreds of letters. There were three I would have considered responding  to.  But I never did. Why? Because after the first hundred came and were ruled out… I stopped looking at the mail with  anticipation. I looked at it with dread. Then… slowly… with mild curiosity. I stopped opening each letter thinking: “I wonder if she is the one…” and started thinking “Hmmm… wonder what this one will look like…”

When it moves from a search to a curiosity… it is VERY hard to get motivated to write someone back.

So.. the whole letter writing process is against you. Expect a very low response rate, and that is if you really are a good looking guy, who is not too far apart in age from the ladies. (Twenty years? Faguddabadit!)

I’m 41 years old. I date thirty-year olds in America. I’ve never had any problem getting dates here. I wrote to women in their late twenties and thirties from BrazilGirl.com. The response rate to my letters was about 30%. If I wanted to meet with ten women when I got to Brazil, that means I need to write to a hundred women. It’s possible… but you need to set your expectations.

Actually, it is fairly easy to find one hundred attractive women on BrazilGirls.com. Finding them in a geographically desirable location is a whole different story…

Brazil, the Country:

Brazil is a BIG country. You need to remember this when you select your ladies. This is complicated by the fact that BrazilGirls.com does not list where a woman is from. They also do not list if the woman has children, and how well they speak English. (Assume the women barely speak English, unless the “profile” states otherwise… and even then, view it with skepticism.)

So, if you are writing to a woman in Brasila and Sao Paulo, and Rio… unless you have weeks available to you, you probably will not be able to see them all in one trip. Brazil is as large as the United States. So writing to a woman from Rio and Bahia is like writing to women from Texas and Utah.

Most Brazilians will understand Spanish, but few will speak it. Do not think for a moment that Spanish is  “Very similar” to Portuguese. I was with some guys who spoke fluent Spanish. At times they had as much difficulty communicating with the Brazilians as I did.

The school system in Brazil is not exactly exemplary, and there is a high incidence of illiteracy in the country. So… do not expect the average Brazilian to speak English.

I was in Sao Paulo, which is the commerce center of Brazil. (In fact it is the largest city in all of South America.) Bell Captains and taxi cab drivers usually did not speak English. And, I am referring to a hotel called: “Intercontinental Hotel.”

Comparing this to Russia… the staff at the Hilton in St. Petersburg all spoke English. Everyone I met, practically, had some English taught to them in school.

I am sure that in a Tourist area, such as Rio, you would probably find more English speaking people. But I was surprised to find the city that bills itself as “The New York of Brazil” so ethnocentric.

Brazilian Women

OK… so here’s the good news… good looking women abound in Brazil. Not everyone, of course… but an amazing percentage of  the women were drop-dead gorgeous. And, there are all kinds of beauty on display. Brazil has had a lot of European influence.

The women are also not shy about displaying their charms. “J. Lo” hip-huggers abound, and you can go for days without seeing a woman whose pants even have pockets – they want nothing to distract you from the view.

The women are naturally sensual, and think nothing of it. As lovers, they are passionate and uninhibited (or… so I’m told… of course ;-)

So… those women you see on BrazilGirls.com are real, right? Yes… but there may be a problem.

One night while I was there a guy I work with took me “sightseeing”. This guy had been to Sao Paulo many times, and spoke fluent Portuguese. After going to dinner, he took me for a cab ride. As we cruised along a couple of streets, they were lined with gorgeous college girls. Now, I have seen street walkers before. This was nothing like that. Ninety percent of the girl were extremely attractive. They looked like sexy coeds. They were dressed in sexy clothes, but not like a typical street walker. They were not dressed much different than some of the other young women I saw in the clubs and in the restaurants. They were in their mid twenties, and they didn’t look at all strung out on dope, or high, or any of what you would expect. And yes, they were all prostitutes. They were “on the program” which is a euphemism for a college girl who is putting herself through school by hooking.

Here is the scary part: They looked like anyone else.

And I mean that. If you had met any one of these women in a club, and she was talking to you, you would have thought you had died and gone to heaven.

But she wasn’t in the club. She was on the street. On this night, anyway. Maybe tomorrow night would be her night off, and she would be in the club. Do you start to see the problem? You could go to Brazil, and “date” a girl that you thought was just terrific… and never know that you were with a prostitute who just decided that marrying a gringo was a better life than putting herself through school by turning tricks.

You may have heard about this… and it is real. The more you are in high tourist or business areas (Rio and Sao Paulo for instance) the more chance that the lil hottie that you found was selling herself just last week.

Now… can you find a woman with “traditional” values in Brazil? Sure. But you need to be very careful. For this reason, I would definitely NOT advocate “just going.” Instead, you should probably try to find out as much as you can about the lady before you meet her. And, you will really want to meet her parents. The better class of family he comes from, the lower the likelihood that she had to put herself through school “the hard way.”

If anyone is interested, I can give you a breakdown of the regions of Brazil, and which are better for the search for your bride. This information was given to me by one of the women I saw while I was there, so it’s her opinion, and I don’t know how valid it is. Still, he had no reason to lie to me, so I believe her.

Conclusion

If you are looking for a good time, I can’t think of a better place than Brazil.

If, however,  you are looking to find someone special… it is a hard place to go. If you have patience, or if you are lucky enough to find a “guide” then it is probably a gold mine. But jut going by yourself, with no knowledge of Portuguese… You’d be better off somewhere else. IMHO

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bogota vet
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Long Over-Due Brazil Trip report, posted by MarkInTx on Apr 8, 2002

What about the infamous Brian who runs that agency in Brazil, no leads from him??
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MarkInTx
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Long Over-Due Brazil Trip report, posted by bogota vet on Apr 9, 2002

I actually contacted him prior to going down.

At first, I thought he was going to be helpful... but then he got kinda pissy with me.

All I was looking for was a contact in Brazil who could help set up dates. And I wasn't even asking for him to call anyone... just have a local phone number that a lady could call if she were interested.

He was fine with the idea of me paying for a membership to his web site, and writing as many women as I want... and then charging me $300 to set up dates with them.

I actually may have even done that... but have you LOOKED at his website? I don't like to think I am TOO Picky... but there were maybe three ladies whom I would consider... and NONE of them were in Sao Paulo.

He seemed to think that was no big deal. "You're travelling 7000 miles, and then you want a lady who is close?" he asked me. Well... yeah! Considering that I was stuck in Sao Paulo all week on business, it seemed like a good idea...

Anyway, when I asked him if he were willing to work with women who were NOT from his site... it was no dice. Or he'd have to charge me more. And then the fees got to be outrageous. (BTW... all agencies in Brazil seem to HATE brazilgirls.com... they say terrible things about them... to which I reply: "Yes, but they have all of the girls!")

Anyway... no, Brian was no help to me at all. But again, part of that was that I was expecting the same kind of agency service that I can get in Russia or Ukraine... and there is simply nothing like that in Brazil. Period.

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bogota vet
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Long Over-Due Brazil Trip report, posted by bogota vet on Apr 9, 2002

I meant to say the Fire and Passion Agency in Brasil
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Bueller
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Long Over-Due Brazil Trip report, posted by bogota vet on Apr 9, 2002

I am in Brazil and plan to be here for about a year and a half. I read with great interest Mark´s post above and find nothing to disagree with, although I had not thought about the prostitution aspect of things. I´m not really worried, though, as I am getting to know local people and meeting local ladies through them, which helps screen them for character.

  Let me say this about Brian Madden, owner of Fire&Passion: whatever you think of his antics over on LWL, I will NEVER forgive the hideous comments he has made about Colombian women and the men who pursue them (some of you may remember such nuggets as "buying instead of relating" and "buying women by the pound like hamburger in Bogota"), and I would NEVER do anything to support his enterprise. And I say that as a Brazil nut who has no plans to go to Colombia.

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MarkInTx
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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Fire&Passion, posted by Bueller on Apr 9, 2002

Yes... if you have the time to get to know the ladies... I think you can be VERY successful.

Where in Brazil are you?

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Bueller
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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Getting to know them, posted by MarkInTx on Apr 9, 2002

I am in Florianópolis. I went to Curitiba, and it is an impressive city, but it turns out the people have the reputation of being cold and aloof by Brazilian standards, so I´m going to live here instead.
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Jebster
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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Long Over-Due Brazil Trip report, posted by MarkInTx on Apr 8, 2002

I have traveled a lot throughout Brazil and also Colombia. First, Brazil is a very UNSAFE country, equal to, or worse than Colombia, depending on which part you travel to. You should never let your guard down in Brazil, just the same as Colombia.

Af far as being easy to get to, well that's a relative term. It is much further south and east than Colombia or Venezuela, especially if you fly to Sao Paolo or Rio. Not to mention that generally it is much more expensive to fly there. It is usually an overnight flight, versus daytime flights to the north of South America. So while it may be "easy" for you, it may not be so easy for others.

Yes, it is a very large country and Portuguese is not the same as Spanish. Far from it.

Thanks for posting you trip experiences. I have enjoyed it, a very good report. Just be careful implying that it is a safe place, it is not.

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MarkInTx
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Caution On Safety In Brazil, posted by Jebster on Apr 9, 2002

I did not mean to imply that it is a safe country.

But... it IS safer than going to Colombia... There haven't been cars bombed or black-outs. Militia don't walk the street with automatic weapons...

Let's face it... New York City isn't safe...

But there is a difference between street crime and organized rebel attacks...

As far as easy... you are right that it is maybe easier to get to Colombia. It is a shorter flight, anyway. I guess I meant it was easier to get to than Russia.

I live in Dallas.

I boarded the flight to Sao Paulo in the evening... watched a movie, had some dinner, went to sleep, and woke up for breakfast in Sao Paulo.

Compared to what I went through to get to St. Petersburg... that was easy...

But you are right... it's a longer flight than Colombia...

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MarkInTx
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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Long Over-Due Brazil Trip report, posted by MarkInTx on Apr 8, 2002

One thing I neglected to mention...

As I said, I am 41 years old. I have always considered myself average looking. My girlfriends have told me I'm better than that... but then again... what do you expect your girlfriend to say?

Anyway, the point is, I've never truned heads by walking in a room.

Except in Brazil.

That was an interesting experience for me.

Not all women who looked at me were looking at me with "that look"... but some were.

Some were just interested in seeing an American, I think. And I don't know how they knew... but they always did.

This happened when I was alone. When I was with a lady. Or when I was with collegues from work.

I did have three different Brazilian women tell me that they like the way an American looks. (Interestingly enough, the portuguese word for "I like Americans" translates, literally, "I have a taste for Americans"...)

Some Brazilian women would look at me curiously... and then look away... so not all Brazilian women like an American's look. But some, clearly, do.

FWIW

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HappyInBrazil
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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to An American in Brazil, posted by MarkInTx on Apr 9, 2002

Mark,

That's funny because I'm always getting mistaken for a European(German,French,English).  It was a running joke for a while, "No sorry, we don't do this in France."

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Bueller
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to An American in Brazil, posted by MarkInTx on Apr 9, 2002

I´m as white as they come, yet I blend right in here in Floripa, until I open my mouth and try to say something. Twice today people have stopped me on the street to ask for directions.
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MarkInTx
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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: An American in Brazil, posted by Bueller on Apr 9, 2002


There are white guys in Sao Paulo. It's a bit of a melting pot. Though most are darker complexioned than I am.

Yet, I always attracted some stares whenI would walk into a resturaunt.... I figured they made me for an American (Or European) somehow...

Maybe it was because I was staring back :-)

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pack
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: An American in Brazil, posted by Bueller on Apr 9, 2002

hey Bueller, wheres Floripa....whats it close to...im trying to find it on the map? sheeesh...Brazil is big!
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Bueller
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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: An American in Brazil, posted by pack on Apr 9, 2002

Sorry about the confusion. It´s called Florianópolis, but the locals shorten it to Floripa. An island just off Santa Caterina state in the south.
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