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Author Topic: Life in the states  (Read 15689 times)
Wayne
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« on: February 07, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

My wife and I have been back in the States for a week now and everything has been going just great.  So much emphasis on this board is put on finding the girl, I think the stories about what happens after she gets here are interesting too.

Since we spent about 8 weeks non-stop in Colombia together, there really haven't been any surprises now that she is here.  We have settled into the typical life in Southern California.  Sailing, running on the beach, going to the gym, mountain biking, and hanging out with my friends.  She goes to English class 3 hours a day, 5 days a week.  She seems to be enjoying English now, but wouldn't have anything to do with it while we were in Colombia.  She said that I would be in Colombia for a short time, and that would be a good time for me to practice my Spanish.

Her character in general is easy going and she is a hard worker.  Since she supported herself and has worked since she was 14, she is definately not spoiled.  In general, we take care of each other nicely and everything is really great.

Since I had a Russian wife previously, I have been enjoying the knowledge that I gained the 1st time around.  I'm not making so many of the stupid mistakes that caused so much grief with my Russian wife.  The main thing I have learned is patience.  For you guys without patience, good luck.  Life just moves really slow with a wife who speaks little English and is new to this country.  You just have to sit back and take it easy, and not put pressure on them.  And also, just turn the keys to the house over to them and let them reorganize as they please.  I like a clean house, but my wife is a fanatic about cleanliness.

About homesickness, my wife misses her friends some but she wasn't close to her family, so that hasn't been a problem.  She is able to e-mail her best friend each day, so that has helped her some.

When she was in Colombia, she was worried about missing her Colombian favorite foods.  Well, she actually likes the food better here now and she has been pleasantly surprized.  I like to cook, and she is still getting used to an hombre in the cocina.  She said that she never met a Colombian hombre who would cook for a women.  Since these girls are spoiled by the fantastic juices in Colombia, it's easier to make juices and smoothies at home, then to try to find them in a restaraunt.  Also natural juices in restaraunts in the states are mui costoso compared to Colombia.

The cold has been an issue, and she wears alot of sweaters.  When she's whining about the cold, I tell her that she's lucky we live in Southern California and not New Hampshire like my friend and his Colombian Esposa.  I will add that when you take your new wives to the Embassy in Bogota, dress them warmly because it is really cold there.  Gloves, sweaters and hot drinks.  Sitting around for hours and hours waiting for that grass to grow can get pretty cold.

So that's my report.
Not very exciting, but it's reality...

Wayne

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John O
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Life in the states, posted by Wayne on Feb 7, 2002

Congratulations, Wayne. Sounds like you got a great thing going.

Where is your wife studying English?

As an adult ESL teacher, I recommend your wife do a video ESL course at home in addition to her classes. LAUSD Division of Adult & Career Ed, where I teach, offers a useful & basically free program, which some other districts use as well.

Good luck!

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Jeff S
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Life in the states, posted by Wayne on Feb 7, 2002

And one that mirrors my experience with an Asian wife. About correcting her English, as you say, she'll be a bit frustrated at first, but eventually, as her ESL studies continue, she'll expect you to correct her more and more and will eventually be mad when you don't. At least my wife did after a couple of years.

-- Jeff S. (from Huntington Beach)

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FenixRises
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Life in the states, posted by Wayne on Feb 7, 2002

Wayne,
Very similar stories. We just returned Feb 2nd and are also in SoCal. While my wife is very close to her family there hasn't been any major home sickness. She made up her mind
beforehand that if she married an American moving to the US
would be part of the deal.
She has a sister in Miami and a primo in N.Carolina. I also was able to spend one month in Colombia before returning. Friends tell me we missed a real cold spell, frost on the windows and such. It is funny that when in Cali it was "Que calor!", "Que calor!". Now it's "Yo tengo frio!", "Yo tengo frio!". Since it's just a week for us, most time has been spent getting settled into my former bachelor pad. In a matter of only a few days my wife has transformed my place into a home. I'll be starting her in ESL classes next week. Over all we had no problems. The wedding(civil), two trips to the embassy in Bogota and clearence through US immigration in Atlanta went very smoothly without a single problem and all US personel were pleasant and courteous. Since we are both in SoCal perhaps we could get together?
And a general request. Where to buy plantains? Those in the local Albertsons are junk.
Fred

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Jeff S
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Life in the states, posted by FenixRises on Feb 8, 2002

Try any of the markets in Santa Ana if you're near Orange County.

-- Jeff S.

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Pete E
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Life in the states, posted by FenixRises on Feb 8, 2002

Fred,
Most latino markets will have plantains.Some latino markets have Colombian food sections.Check around,I'm sure you have them there.We have several in the San Jose area I know of.
There is a Colombian newsletter my wife picked up in the Colombian counsolate in San Francisco.If you have a Colombian counsolate in LA call them and ask about newsletters and Colombian food.They are very friendly here.
We have a Colombian restaurant a mile away and my wife tells me people from the counsolate in San Francisco will be there for Colombians to register to vote in elections in Colombia.

Pete

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Ruben
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Life in the states, posted by Wayne on Feb 7, 2002

Wayne, you have great post!... My name Ruben and I also live in Souther Calif. I would like to ask you a couple of things? I will be getting marryed soon to a wonderfull women from Cali.

I would like to know details about your marrage in Cali. My girlfriend wants us to get marred by a notary and I think what they charging to marry an american is out of this world. I want to get marred by the church in cali and then have a civel marrge here in Los Angeles. what was your cost?

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MarkInTx
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Life in the states, posted by Wayne on Feb 7, 2002

I enjoyed reading this.

Actually, I am more worried about that "real life" part than finding a woman.
So, I am very interested in your day to day stuff.

I was wondering -- as someone who was looking in Russia as well -- what are the differences you are noticing between your Colombian Wife and Russian one?

(Also, have you seen any evidence yet of the famed Colombian Temper?)

Thanks for the post!

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Wayne
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Wayne, Thanks! Can you tell me..., posted by MarkInTx on Feb 7, 2002

Mark,

I'm not sure if there is much value in comparing one women to one women, Russian VS Colombian.  Obviously they are all individuals and every women is going to be different in her own way.  My opinion comes from my own experience as well as my friends with Russian and Latino wives.

1st many Russian women communicate terrible.  And I'm not talking about English problems.  Culturally they just don't share what is on their mind, and when there is a problem, they stuff it all inside and start the crap tab running.  Marriage is a long time and we all screw up.  If the women is not willing to forgive and forget, and remembers every mistake you make, the pot is going to get real full, and she is going to be real unhappy down the road.  This is typical Russian women behaviour and all of my friends with Russian wives have struggled with this one.  For a relationship to be healthy, both people have to be willing to let go of the other's screw ups.  My Russian wife remembered every mistake I made, and I forgot and forgave her for hers.  Not real healthy down the road.  Russian women are more stoic and don't share their feelings like Latino women.  Just depends on what type of women you want in your life.  I personally like a women who is more emotional and communicates better.  My RW spoke almost perfect English and we were never able to communicate as well as my Colombian wife...and she speaks almost no English.  I believe the family ties and the friendships are more loyal in Latin America.  Russian women seem to have less trouble severing ties with friends and family to benefit their future.  If they think it will benefit them to sever your marriage for a leg up somewhere else, they will.  

So like I said, these generalizations are probably worthless and all you need is one good women.  I'm sure you can find her in Latin America, or Russia.  After 2 months in Colombia, I just laugh at the idea of going to Russia.

Just my 2 pesos worth,
Wayne

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Hoda
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Wayne, Thanks! Can you tell me..., posted by Wayne on Feb 8, 2002


that is a dayyum good one, Wayne! Don't think, that some of your ex-Russian board brothers haven't been taken notice of what you've been up too...lol!

Take a vacation, but post when you can.

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MarkInTx
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Crap tab running....., posted by Hoda on Feb 8, 2002

Wayne,

Without naming you, I did post your "new-marriage" advice on the russian board.

I also made slight changes to protect your identity.

I just thought that it was such good advice that it ought to have a wider audience... hope that was OK..

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MarkInTx
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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Wayne, Thanks! Can you tell me..., posted by Wayne on Feb 8, 2002


I agree that generalizations are generally useless (except this one :-)

But I understand what you are saying. Having pursued Russian Women for a year, I know what you mean.

BTW, "...stuff it all inside and start the crap tab running" Ohmigod, that's a good one!

Cracked me up. Thanks for giving me a chuckle.

Sadly, I know all about this one. And the RW hardly has th emarket cornered on it. The AW keeps a pretty good meter on her tab, too!

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Hoda
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Life in the states, posted by Wayne on Feb 7, 2002

Wayne,

For those of us, who serious about our quest. Your early accounts are what serious guys are hoping to achieve. I live in NYC & keep telling my lady about the "Real seasons" she'll experience, once whe gets here...lol! Wayne, when you have time, could you explain some of the mistakes (if not too personal) you mentioned, about your first time around. I'm sure guys would love to know, so that they won't make them.

BTW....
"And also, just turn the keys to the house over to them and let them reorganize as they please. I like a clean house, but my wife is a fanatic about cleanliness."

- This is the stone cold truth fellas. Every account, that I have been informed of, concerning these ladies & cleanliness, HAS BEEN TRUE!!! Just let 'em do their thing. If you've ever lived with a woman in the same home, you plan on sharing with your new lady. You better "De-*itch" the house before your new latin lady arrives...lol! IMPORTANT...get rid of that OLD mattress! Your lady won't have anything to do with it...LOL!

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Wayne
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to On the contrary, the report is exciting...., posted by Hoda on Feb 7, 2002

Some of the mistakes I made seem pretty dumb now, but here are a few.

Do not teach your wife to drive yourself.  Hire an instructor, use his car all the way through the exam.  Pay for lessons until she is a safe driver, and don't ever show any impatience if it takes her 4 times as long as an Americano muhares.  My wife crashed nearly killing us both and totaling my new 4 runner.  I broke 3 ribs...

No matter how angry are frusterated you get, do not raise your voice.  Since the girl has only you to count on in this country, you do not have the luxury of a typical American man/women argument that we have all become accustomed to (sadly). A bad argument scares these girls way too much because they feel real alone if things are rocky with you.  If you can't control your temper now, wait until you can, to bring one of these girls here.

Lose the agenda right from the beginning.  Most of us have numbers in our head on how long it will take them to learn English, drive, get a job, become more independent etc. etc. etc.  You have absolutely no idea how long any of these things are going to take and never let her feel any pressure or impatience from you.  Constantly put yourself in her position and imagine yourself moving to Colombia.  My new attitude now is that if anything happens before two years, it's a bonus.  There is plenty of time years down the road for everything, don't try to Americanize them sooner then they do it naturally themselves.

Never point out that she has it better now, then she had it before.  This is obvious, but most of us will do it eventually.  It probably is true, but DON'T DO IT.  At all costs, let your girl keep her dignity.

Never point out that the US is better then her country.  Again it's obvious, but most of us will eventually do this one too.  These girls rightfully have pride in their countries.

Let them cry when they are homesick, and don't get too concerned.  Just be supportive and give them a little space.

Don't try to find them a bunch of friends from their own country.  If they show interest in this and innitiate this, then help, but don't innitiate it yourself.  I have never heard of a girl who liked this, so don't bother because it probably isn't going to work anyway.  Just think of all the people you know and how many are good friends.  The probability of her meeting one or two Colombianas and becoming good friends with them is real, real low.  Being from the same country is not enough in common to make a friendship.  Most guys I know including myself in the past believe this.

Don't correct her English too much.  It's going to be great down the road anyway, so just smile and enjoy every word and mistake.  This is a fun time and a stage she will never again be at.  Don't rush it...it's going to happen.

Do talk about money and how much she can spend and what you expect of her spending habits.  Many guys don't control the money and then get angry if it gets out of control.  Keep track of what is happening and teach her to be financially responsible if she needs help.

Do talk about how much you can afford on the phone bills.  Set a limit, and stick to it.  At one point, I told my wife I would feel more comfortable sending her parents some of the money we were spending on the phone bills.  They needed a little extra money far more then they needed 60 minute phone calls to Russia.

Be careful feeling like you have the world by the butt.  I felt like this after I married my Russian Wife and I feel like this once again now.  Things are always OK right before they aren't.  Don't take her for granted....What is your other option...an American women.

That's enough,
Hope some of it helps.
Wayne

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John O
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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: On the contrary, the report is excit..., posted by Wayne on Feb 8, 2002

Thanks for your wise & wonderful advice, Wayne.

I had a fiancee from Bogota who reacted badly to a momentary fit of anger. We were driving around Miami & I got frustrated after missing a couple of freeway exits. I directed a few loud expletives toward the Florida Highway Dept. and slapped the steering wheel with my palm.

Later, when she broke up with me, she mentioned this episode, among several other unrelated reasons. She said the men in her family never behaved this way, and that she was scared that I might someday hit her.

I never have, & never would hit a woman. I consider my temper average for an AM. But some Latinas, especially the quiet, conservative ones, are much more sensitive to this sort of thing than an AW.

I wish I'd known that then. Again, good advice, Wayne.

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