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Author Topic: Healthcare - US & Colombia  (Read 5913 times)
Sol
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« on: November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

I've started a new thread about health care with the hope of not burying this topic among all of the personal attacks. Those of you who have read my posts know that I'm not interested in attacking, defending, or even in being right. What I am VERY interested in now is in hearing people's first and second hand experiences of health care in Colombia so that I and others who travel there have information for making health care choices. And, I'm certainly interested in experiences beyond Colombia as well.

As I said before I have zero first-hand experience with health care in Colombia. I do know that it is not all that rare for people who need expensive dental work to have it done outside of the US. There are dentists in Canada, Mexico, Colombia and other Latin countries who have plenty of training and experience and do the same work as American dentists for MUCH less than American dentists. I'm planning to have some such work done and I will be interviewing a couple of Colombian dentists in Bogota to gauge their experience and skill.

My mom, who admittedly never took care of her health, suffered tremendously and eventually died under the hands of prescription and surgery oriented MDs here. I almost never go to western MDs and I appreciate that Colombian health insurance provides more choices than our system does for subsidized health care, e.g. my fiance pays next to nothing to see a naturopathic doctor and she's had good results with a couple of them. This was a strong draw to my fiance - she and I are very compatible in our philosophies towards health and healing.

In 2000 the World Health Organization did a study of health systems in 191 member states. You can read the summary here:

http://www.who.int/whr/2000/en/press_release.htm

The US ranked 37th. Colombia ranked 22nd. You can certainly read the report and argue its validity. You can certainly find documentation supporting the US health system. Fine. Then provide other information, other experience, that supports your belief.

I'm going to see if I can find documentation of studies comparing the health of US residents vs. those of Colombia or other Latin countries. It's hard to deny that Americans are getting fatter, are suffering more from diabetes and heart disease and cancer than we were even 50 years ago. I think the American diet of refined sugars and processed foods is largely responsible for that. I'm interested to know if, in general, Colombians are healthier. I'd guess that the poorer Colombians who don't have access to junk food probably ARE healthier than Americans but I don't have any evidence for that belief at this point.

I think there's a real danger in assuming that the US health care system is good and that it leads to good health.

Thoughts? Responses?

Sol

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Larry in Dallas
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Healthcare - US & Colombia, posted by Sol on Nov 29, 2001

I am seriously thinking about a hair transplant in Cali this summer.  It will cost about $1,500.00 there and much more money here.

                                     Larry in Dallas

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kevinsnurb
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Healthcare - US & Colombia, posted by Sol on Nov 29, 2001

"I'm going to see if I can find documentation of studies comparing the health of US residents vs. those of Colombia or other Latin countries."

SEE:

http://www-nt.who.int/whosis/statistics/dale/dale.cfm?path=statistics,dale&language=english

This seems to indicate that Americans are healthier than Colombians. I find the descrepancy curious. I suppose it could be explained by the poverty and warfare in Colaombia.

But our (USA's) health care system is a disgrace. It has to change. I would like to say more, but this is not the right forum.

al

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Cali vet
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« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Healthcare - US & Colombia, posted by Sol on Nov 29, 2001

Sol

It looks like you've really done your homework. Very informative post. I'll just add that I've always been curious about the calorie/fat content of foods like yuca and platano and the typical almuerzo ejecutivo.

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Pete E
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Healthcare - US & Colombia, posted by Sol on Nov 29, 2001

Sol,
I think in that ranking by the world heath organization that ranked the US 37 and Colombia 22,the operative word is "health systems".Much Colombian medical care is paid for by the government because most of the people can afford nothing for health care.We have mostly a large private system,which is not a system at all to the W.H.O. I would bet.Says more about how they think than the quality of our care.
I know where I would want to be if I was critically ill.

Pete

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Hoda
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Healthcare - US & Colombia, posted by Pete E on Nov 29, 2001

n/t
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Hoda
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Healthcare - US & Colombia, posted by Sol on Nov 29, 2001

First of all Sol, my heartfelt sympathies for the pain your mother suffered through. I can only add second hand info regarding my lady & her family & some Colombian friends. I know of serveral american friends who had dental work for themselves & their Colombian ladies done there. You couldn't compare the cost with the U.S. There wasn't any complaints about the work. In regards to the medical treatment. Most of the time, my lady and/or a family member went for a series of second opinions. The second opinions were those from specialist. I can feel for Clint in a big way. My lady went from her general doctor, who wanted to cut. To the specialist I demanded she visit. Thank God, she got the second opinion from the specialist. Cutting her up wasn't necessary....

Hoda

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HappyIdiot
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Healthcare - US & Colombia, posted by Sol on Nov 29, 2001

Interesting and expansive study, and your ideas of why there are health differences are an interesting idea as well.  I'm not sure on the idea that poorer Colombians don't have access to junk food.  You did say it was just an idea though.  I would think that a social values component would be in place too.  If it were only economic, then wouldn't people from poorer economic positions in the US also eat healther.

Your point that there is a distinction between a good health care system and healthy people, I'm still trying to put into context.

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Tai
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Healthcare - US & Colombia, posted by HappyIdiot on Nov 29, 2001

Happy,

I was just having a discussion with a group of friends on how it costs more money in the U.S. to eat a healthy balanced diet than it does to roll down to the nearest fast food joint and pick up something.

You can hit Mickey D's with a 1.99 for a value meal - burger fries and a drink. How healthy and balanced can you eat for that?

If you are poor in the U.S., you are more likely to eat less nutritionally, because you don't have the money to really do otherwise. -Now if we are talking poor AND on welfare/food stamps, that is a little different.

In Colombia, eating fast food is something that people do as a "treat", as it is not as economically feasible for them to partake of it on a regular basis like people do here.

just .02

Tai

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cdrab
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Healthcare - US & Colombia, posted by Sol on Nov 29, 2001

I have heard from many of the americans living in colombia that I have talked to that the health care in colombia is better than in the states. Now with that being said my wife approx 3 weeks ago had a serious pain in her stomach and went to the private hospital behind Carrefour in Cali, She was informed that her appendix needed to be removed and because she didn't have any money they transfered her to the public hospital with a request for surgery. Thank god the doctor at the public hospital rechecked her and found out it was a bad intestinal infection.
This was happening at an early am and my flight was leaving in the morning. They ended up keeping her in the public hospital but her parents had to come back home and pick up a pillow and some sheets for her so she could sleep there. Unfortunately I didn't know what was going on until I hit Miami. Talk about feeling helpless.
Clint
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pack
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to My Experience, posted by cdrab on Nov 29, 2001

there are some americans especially from florida that go to colombia for their dental and medical needs.
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