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Author Topic: Odds  (Read 9956 times)
H2-Oh
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« on: August 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

After going through the last few years traveling to Colombia in search for a wife, I started thinking about the odds that I would find this special lady.
Here's the math: of 400 ladies in an introduction agency, I figure about 40 of these women I would be interested in meeting. I am like most gringo's and want to meet an intellegent, beautiful, kind lady with morals and values. Of these 40 women I would guess, based on my experience, that only 25% of these ladies fit my requirements. I have found that 75% of the 40 women have bad motives....money, green card, players ect. So if you do the math your chance of finding a quality lady is about 2.5%!!!!!!
I know that the intro. agencys will not be happy with me but I feel that there is a responsibility that the agency has to screen out the players and allow the ladys that are really looking for a mate to have a better chance.
Any thoughts???

H2-Oh

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tommi
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Odds, posted by H2-Oh on Aug 24, 2001

There are odds to be had no matter which approach or standards we work by. We can point fingers at the agencies for sure, but let's keep in mind they are businesses. When a young girl comes to the agency with her $ 50.00 do you really think the owner will turn her away? How about us guys who go to stay at the agencies? How many of us were told we could not stay because we didn't "meet" the agencies standards?

Like everything else in life...the more time we invest and the more prepared we are, the better the chances of a successful outcome. It would be great if we all had months to live in Cali or some other place in our quest to find a partner...we don't. So comes the "desperation factor" that so many men and women have in this process. Some things just can't be rushed! We don't rush the process here in our own countries so why have the stupidity to do it abroad?

There is no single answer, only different approaches. I probably met more honest women just cruising the malls, parks, clubs, and zoo in Cali than at the agencies.  Just goes to show that odds and chances are dependent upon the environments we choose to work in.

The threads are great guys and the honesty is refreshing.

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denvermike
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Odds, posted by H2-Oh on Aug 24, 2001

Hi Guys,

I have an opinion in this area. Finding a life partner is hard everywhere.  The rules of the game are just different in Colombia. Most of us don't have unlimited resources to to spend months in Colombia looking for the right one.  So we go for a few weeks and hope for the best. In my opinion, the odds are against finding what we want. We focus on the most attractive while we are there (let's face it we could find an ugly girl here).  A really attractive girl in an agency gets lots of phone calls.  So she has lots of choices too. Let's face it, she is going to take the best offer. I suspect love has little do with it.

The ladies of Colombia are from a very difficult culture and economy, it is no wonder they don't trust men and many are very materialistic.

I am still in contact with a young lady in Cali, but I have not decided to travel back at this time.

My company has offered me a job in Santiago, Chile, so my search for a Colombian wife may be over anyway. The Chilean woman are very attractive and many are well educated.

take care guys,
mike

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Jebster
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Odds, posted by denvermike on Aug 24, 2001

I have been to Chile many, many times, both for work and pleasure. If I could not live in the USA, I would live in Chile. You will have a very good life there.

Congratulations.

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HappyIdiot
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Odds, posted by H2-Oh on Aug 24, 2001

How about other side of it?  How many men are really sincere EVERY time they go on a date with a woman in an agency?  I'd imagine these stories affect the candidates you have to choose from.  But from the odds you figure, it still sounds like you can meet 10 quality women that you are interested in, that seems like a good outcome even if the math looks bad.  That's 1000% more women that you could marry than you need to.  If you want to propose screening criteria for agencies, how will this enhance their business?  For all the women with "bad motives"  there are probably men going down there with matching bad motives.  I think the lucky thing is the good sincere women are willing to go through that too.
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Viajero
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Odds, posted by H2-Oh on Aug 24, 2001

Well, you make some good points, but I think that you are overlooking a few things:

1. It's just as important, if not more so, to BE the right person as it is to FIND the right person. A man who is a mature, thoughtful, normal person without excess emotional baggage from past failed relationships will find MANY more suitable potential mates than someone who thinks a woman from another culture (and for that reason alone) will solve all his problems. Like attracts like.

2. I can't speak for others, but my attraction to Latin women is cultural (OK, I think they're very pretty as well), and thus I find different values in most latin women that generally do not exist in my own culture. This also increases (rather than decreases) my chances of finding a suitable mate, since I find most latin women appealing in one way or another.

3. Women in all countries, including the US, generally outnumber men, more so in countries afflicted by war. This is another factor that increases my chances by giving me a larger potential pool of candidates.

4. The more screwed-up a country is, economically, socially or politically, the more motivated people are to leave and seek a life elsewhere. This is the basis for our own pluralistic society. First to leave are wealthy businesspeople, engineers, scientists and doctors, followed by anyone else who has something of value in another society; ie: good looks and good values. I've seen it firsthand in many places like the former USSR and Bosnia. So I find that most of these women have decent motivation to come to my country, but any opportunist would also jump on this bandwagon. The number of scammers is high, but so is the number of decent women whom I have to believe outnumber the bad manzanas.

5. Don't rely solely on the agencies. In sales, you increase chances by increasing the number of calls you make. Ever thought of writing more letters and making fewer trips? I have had good success with Amigos.com and other pen-pal websites. Also, why does everyone go to Cali? You might want to branch out a bit. Try Peru, Brazil, Panama or Ecuador. I have been told that the Dominican Republic leads Latin America in the number of foreign-US marriages.

6. The better prepared you are the luckier you'll be. Learn Spanish and you will multiply by 10 the number of women you can meet, talk to, write to. You will increase the number of mothers who will introduce you to their daughters, friends who will introduce you to sisters, cousins and best friends, etc. I am no chick magnet by any stretch of the imagination, but when I travel to Latin America I generally get more attention from women than I have time for.

7. A common phrase used in Latin America is "Si Dios quiere" (if God wants). Don't abandon your search techniques, but be open to the workings of God (or Fate or whatever). In my case, I just happened to wander into mi novia's workplace one day, where we were both instantly hit by romantic sparks aplenty. No way I could have planned that, and had I been preoccupied with my own methodology I'd have missed it entirely.

Dunno if this helps - it's just my 2 cent's worth. Concentrate on the factors that work in your favor and strengthen them, and I imagine that you will have more success.

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Patrick
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Goes both ways, posted by Viajero on Aug 24, 2001

But I disagree that there's "more women than men".  Colombia does have a very slight majority of men in the marrying age range, but most countries tend to have slightly more females than males in the younger age brackets.  It's not until the upper population ages that the lower life-expectancy of males tilts the scales so that there's more women than men.

The old "women outnumber the men X-to-1" is only agency hype.

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Hoda
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Goes both ways, posted by Viajero on Aug 24, 2001

So true....

Call it fate, dumb luck or whatever. I never expected to find & be found by my novia, considering my game plane...

We're just glad it happened......Hoda

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Hoda
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Si Dios quirer......, posted by Hoda on Aug 24, 2001

n/t
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El Diablo
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Odds, posted by H2-Oh on Aug 24, 2001

Howdy H2-OH,

I might go along with you in saying that less than 10 women in a hundred are the type that I'd consider for marriage.  However that doesn't mean my odds are 10% or less that I'd find the special one because I am not choosing or dating women randomly.  Each of us is using some kind of screening process to get down to those 5 or 10 women in a hundred that we'd be compatible with.  If a persons screening process is refined and they are willing to invest at least three or four trips to L.A., the odds of finding a good woman for marriage go way up IMO.  I'd say at least 50%.

El Diablo

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Jebster
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Odds, posted by H2-Oh on Aug 24, 2001

You may have overlooked one important factor. Not all of the women you like are going to like you ! So, this often reduces the odds even further. My problem is that I am too picky. By the time I find 4 (out of the 40) that I like, it seems there are only 1 or 2 of this select group who like me.

For sure, the odds are not high. But the process sure is exciting !!

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Hoda
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Odds, posted by Jebster on Aug 24, 2001

Fellas,

Remember, remember, remember...THIS IS A TWO WAY PROCESS. You are not the only ones doing the choosing...

Peace...Hoda

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Wayne
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Odds, posted by Jebster on Aug 24, 2001

"For sure, the odds are not high. But the process sure is exciting !!"

Good attitude!

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Pete E
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Odds, posted by H2-Oh on Aug 24, 2001

My odds were probably lower than that.I eliminated all the women that wanted to have more kids and all of the young ones,which for me was 27-(I am 50's)and I came up with about 12 women I wanted to meet out off 700 or so.My wife was the only one I was really interested in.Although there were some sharks most of them just didn't appeal to me.
So,if I hadn't met my wife I was ready to move to another agency and go through there books.
For younger guys who want to have more children the odds would be alot better.
But,there are alot of women in Cali and I think just about anyone can find a good match for themselves.There are alot of agencies and probably several thousand women.The more particular you are on looks the more difficult it becomes.Actually,the big odds,whats the chance of success,is almost 100% if you are at all reasonable about what you expect.

Pete

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Cali vet
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Odds, posted by H2-Oh on Aug 24, 2001

I think almost all of the agencies try to do some screening but when really beautifull ones show up who aren't obvious hookers but might seem shifty it would be hard to send them away. As far as motives go every girl who comes to an agency to meet Americans has the expectation of marrying and moving to the U.S. What else would she think? Weeding out those few who pull stunts like getting off the plane in Miami on your fiance visa and then dissapearing into the crowd would be impossible for an agency unless the girl had a history. I think it is a guy's responsibility to either go for girls who speak some English or take a basic Spanish class before going down so there is at least a fighting chance for communication. Of the several successfull marriages I am personally familiar with at least one partner had a working knowlege of the others language. Another thing. If the girl is really stunning then one has to expect she's going to be sought after by many of the planeloads of gringos landing in Cali every day but that doesn't make her a player. What I'd like to see the agencies do is be more honest with women who are very fat or really unattractive so that their hopes aren't raised unfairly and the books aren't loaded up with women no one is ever going to ask out. Of course I know one man's...etc. etc.
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