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Author Topic: Talking vs Actions in Relationships 'make a case'  (Read 22548 times)
Houndog
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« on: June 16, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
How about for a change each side of an issue try to make their case? instead of just a list of opinions of ones...

Please if you can, collectivly...make the case that Speaking Spanish 'insures' success and longivity in relationships.

And then I'll try to show "Actions" and "True Compatibility" and "Real Love" plus "Acceptance" as having a better Track record for lasting, enduring relationships.

And please feel free to cite reports and survey's that can show the "numbers" to support how speaking spanish is the magic formula. And I'll site examples and reports showing speaking the same language as the lowest common denominator in success ratio's.

On your mark, get set, Go.

HD
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FredFresno
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Talking vs Actions in Relationships 'mak..., posted by Houndog on Jun 16, 2001

As far as I can tell, there are few substantive data regarding foreign marriages.  Institutions and companies who do scientific polling aren't paying attention to this phenomenon.  I have yet to see verifiable data on even a few basic questions:

1.  How many spousal or K-1 visas were issued each year for say, the last 20 years, to women from Latin American countries?  Of course, in the case of the K-1's, one would then want to know how many actually went on to be married.

2.  What has the divorce rate been for women who came to the US on spousal or K-1 visas say, 5, 10 or 20 years ago?

To get any useful information about factors favoring longevity in marriages between Latin Americans and US nationals, you would need the most basic data as in #1 and 2 above, plus the attention of academic social scientists publishing in peer-reviewed journals, or at least that of some of the more reputable polling firms.  It appears to me that those data and those studies just aren't out there.

Houndog, if my impressions above are wrong, it would be nice if you forget your tiff with Traveler et al. and just post the data.

A proposito, no me gusta escribir en español en este tablón porque tengo que aprender mucho sobre el español, y hago muchos errores.  Pero me parece que gringos que viajen a Latinoamerica con frequencia y anden con latinas pero no traten de aprender el español son perezosos.  Lone Eagle, nadie ha dicho es fácil.  Se necesita disciplina para aprender una otra idioma.  Eficazamenta has dicho "es demaciado difícil para mi, deja a ella hacerlo".
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Traveler
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to If you have stats, please put them up, posted by FredFresno on Jun 17, 2001

one thing, that is fairly common when people start learning Spanish is "una otra" is incorrect.  you would say "otra cerveza" for another beer  not "una otra cerveza"   "otra muchacha"  another girl  not "una otra muchacha"

"otro carro"  another car.  but if want to say "THE other" it would be "LA otra mujer"  the other women.

p.s.  words that end in "ma" are masculine.  un idioma, un problema, un sistema, el sistema, el dilema
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Houndog
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to If you have stats, please put them up, posted by FredFresno on Jun 17, 2001

It's really quite simple. Just look at the divorce stats for the USA and Colombia or any LA country of choice...you will be able to see(if one has an open mind) that speaking the same language, even fluently has not helped in at least 55-60% of marriages. Even originally being from the same country and being fluent in a common language hasn't helped.

So if one has an open mind and looks at the availible stats with both eyes open, one should be able to see that Common Language and Common Country have done little if anything to "insure" or "even help" create an enduring marriage or relationship. Even having children together does little to change the odds. Therefore...those "common" attributes work out to be "The Lowest Common Denominator" in lasting, enduring relationships.

However, the one factor that "can" turn the tide of breakups is "Love". Love entails..Being the Right One and Taking the time and Effort to Find the Right One. And for all the steps and answers as to how that is accomplished one only needs to read the archives. It's all in there. And the beauty of the archives is they are flame and basura free.

I'm not going to re-post the archives to only have the threads ruined by flames ralp and malandope. In case someone was going to ask.


Houndog
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Traveler
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Language/Country of Origin = Lowest ..., posted by Houndog on Jun 17, 2001

do those statistics have a subset of cross-cultural, interracial, or language differences?  no, they are just total divorce stats.  they simply tell you that about 50% of marriages end in divorce  mas nada!!  where are the divorce statistics for cross-cultural relationships???  in order to come to any sort of conclusion, you must present those statistics.  your divorce  stats include all divorces unless you otherwise show differently.  so perhaps same native language couples have a lower divorce rate and the cross-cultural divorces are higher, thus elevating the total rate.  however, unless you have comparative data, you cannot come to any conclusion regarding the relative success of class of marriages.  your stats show nothing other than a probability for divorce for ALL mariages.
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Ralph
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« Reply #5 on: June 19, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to look deeper, posted by Traveler on Jun 18, 2001

Now you are talking logically. That won't fly ;-) You are wasting your time. Arguing with someone that doesn't comprehend how statistics work, is useless.
He will just change the subject and tell you to STFU, like he can somehow make that happen!
I want to see how many more times he resorts to childish name calling.
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Traveler
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Language/Country of Origin = Lowest ..., posted by Houndog on Jun 17, 2001

n/t
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Ralph
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to what are the percentages for spouses wit..., posted by Traveler on Jun 17, 2001

You will not get an answer. he doesn't know. Typical black and white, with no in between. It is basically low self esteem because he had to fly in interpreters to get engaged.
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Houndog
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to hold your breathe, posted by Ralph on Jun 17, 2001

You are the one that appears to be hiding.

Tell all the listeners about your relationship. Seems you haven't mentioned a word about it since you left the Elvis Impersonator/Chaplin behind after your wedding in vegas.

HD
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Houndog
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Gee thats funny..??, posted by Houndog on Jun 17, 2001

Getting married by an Elvis Impersonator.....ROTFLMAO....

however...I feel sorry for your esposa...I'm sure she deserved better.
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Traveler
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to hold your breathe, posted by Ralph on Jun 17, 2001

dfd
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Ralph
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to I get the feeling HD doesn't like you, posted by Traveler on Jun 17, 2001

Where did ya get that idea;-) Maybe the second time getting bounced from LWL is still an open wound;-)
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Bobby
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to really?, posted by Ralph on Jun 17, 2001

One question: Why is that the dog boy gets to throw tantrums on this board and nothing happens to him. Is Patrick like his older brother and just tolerates his childish behaviour?
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Houndog
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: really?, posted by Bobby on Jun 19, 2001

you back for more of nothin except wastin your time ? time you could be spending getting a life, developing a personality, trying to rejoin the human race...but instead you pick spinning your wheels...

HD
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Ralph
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: really?, posted by Bobby on Jun 19, 2001

I'm sure Patrick doesn't have the time to babysit dog poop.
Patrick has warned him in the past about personal attacks, but he has been bashing people lately with no problem.

It will just be a matter of time before Patrick has to delet a ton of posts. Even an educational and interesting thread like the one on the importance of Spanish gets reduced to dog craps personal "playground"
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