Answers to Pack et al : Brasilian women

[Esjay]

... in response to Re: Re: Where in Brazil?, posted by Ralph on May 5, 2001

Where abouts in Rio did you stay? Copacabana? Give me a few landmarks you know and I'll relate some info that you'll identify with.

Its actually spelt Sao Paulo, the girls there tend to be less pretentious as those in Rio.

Esjay

[Ralph]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Where in Brazil?, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

Crappy hotel called California I think. In Sao Paulo, I stayed at the Rennaisance, the Mercur and the Best Western. Complicated  trip. I was in town for a large Convention.
Rio was just the weekend and I just decided tyo go because I had no idea if I were ever going to have another chance to visit Brazil.

I was also there in August, which is winter. Could be a lot of the "less desirables" aren't around as much in winter?

[Esjay]

... in response to I think I was in Copa, posted by Ralph on May 5, 2001

I've been past the hotel you mention, the name is in a large chrome 3D typeface (just so I've verified that I know the place).Its situated on Av.Atlantica, thats the main road that runs along the beach in Copa. Did you meet any friendly girls while you were there?

[Ralph]

... in response to Re: Orthon California, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

Tell ya the truth I don't remember much what it looked like. It was on the main drag. I did notice a nice Marriott being built and will most likely stay there next time.

Did I meet any nice girls? Well one day I was having lunch and there was just a bunch of people hanging around . Some guys came by and did a cool acrobatic show in the street etc.

When I got up to pay my bill, a very cute young girl was walking by with shopping bag in hand. I must have smiled or something because she walked on over and introduced herself.
I speak zero portugese but  with my Spanish and her Portugese she asked me if I had been to Rio before. I told her it was my first day. She told me I should take a taxi to the statue of Christ up on that mountain. She told me some other places to check out and offered to show me around.

Even though she was just being friendly and I am sure she had no interest in anything other than being nice, I declined.

I had a similar experience in Sao Paulo where 5 female college students showed me around and looked out for me. They were all very young and seemed happy to have someone to practice their English with. They showed me the ropes and invited me to a huge music festival, but we never made it there.

I was engaged at the time so I was not looking to meet women. I don't think these women were looking for a man either. Just being friendly. When in the Discos with these girls, all the guys came over and wanted to talk to me as well. The college kids probably don't get much chance to practice English and enjoyed asking me how I like their country!

All of the people I met while doing business were great as well. Hotel staff and waiters etc were all very friendly.
I didn't sense any bad feelings toward gringos at all.

[Esjay]

... in response to Re: Re: Orthon California, posted by Ralph on May 5, 2001

I'd agree with your observations, however the guys on this board are concerned with finding a wife in these places. Like you said, they are friendly(on the surface) but dating one is a different matter. I too have had encounters with the 'university student' type of girl. They will usually bring up something about their 'boyfriend' during the conversation.

Esjay

ps the Marriot is now open, the inauguration was about 4 weeks ago.

[Ralph]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Orthon California, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

I admit I ahve zero experience with trying to date Brazilians, or wanting to Marry one. None of the students I hung out with brought up boyfriends during conversation but I'm sure they had boyfriends. They most likely didn't feel obliged to bring it up as I wasn't "hitting on them". We were just hanging out as friends etc.

If you were looking to meet a wife, I'm sure Brazil might not be the easiest place to be successful. Brazilians LOVE their country and are not as "motivated" to leave as say Colombians. Colombians also love their country but between the economy and the violence etc. there are more people looking to get out.

I guess the Marriott opened late. they were talking november or december when I was down there.

I liked Brazil a lot. I'm not sure I would go there soley to look for a wife etc. I never really went anywhere looking for a wife. If going on vacation I would prefer Rio to Cali although I had a great time in Cali as well.

[Esjay]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Orthon California, posted by Ralph on May 5, 2001

Yeah, they took over 4 years to build that hotel, I think another major chain was building it at first then aborted construction. About 1 year ago it seems the Marriot chain bought the shell and finished construction. The views good from the top, there's a central glassed over courtyard about 18 floors high which most of the rooms look into.

You're right about Brasilians not wanting to leave their country, the only guy I know who is married (successfully) to a Brasilian lives there and has done for over 10 years. This is borne out in the nearly non-existence of marriage agencies, the ones that do exist seem to have the same girls on that they did two years ago!.

ps I heard of a French guy have a lot of luck up in Sao Luis, its a small city up near Belem.

Esjay

[pack]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Orthon California, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

i dont blame the girls  for not wanting to leave their country , beaches , carnival , perfect temp , friendly people, why leave ? which brings up the interesting question ..are the cali girls leaving cali to escape the proplems or because they really like the gringos? at least you know if you bring a girl from brazil she must like you and is moving for you not the problems. makes one think for a minute doesnt it?

[Houndog]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Orthon Californi..., posted by pack on May 5, 2001

Pack,

When one of my best friends first heard about my looking south he had all the same suspicions you seem to voice here. About 'their motives'. Flip forward 2 years, on the 10th of this month he is making his second trip to visit his GF in Lima. And while there, he is going to help her with all the Docs necc. to get a tourist visa. He's a lawyer so he can deal with the papers himself. He told me the other day, he would never look back and she is one of the sweetest, nicest Ladies he has ever known. Just as many of the rest of us say. So the motives of the "Good Ones" is the same as the motives of all "Good Ones" everywhere. A happy, loving life. And the motives of 'others' are the same, find someone to further their agenda.

IMO, if you only seek out 'good ones' that's what you will find. And vice versa. However one miust know how to differeniate between the two, some of us do, some of us don't. Make sure you fall in the category that does and you will be just fine.

Regards, Houndog

[Ralph]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Orthon Californi..., posted by pack on May 5, 2001

While it is definitely harder to find a woman that hadn't thought about marrying a gringo or leaving her country, I think thos relationships have the best chance for long term success.

I personally would rather have a girl decide to marry ME, rather than deciding to Marry ?a Gringo? then picking one.

[Esjay]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Orthon Californi..., posted by pack on May 5, 2001

What you say is correct, however a girl must fall in love with you first. In my experience a girl will put up a barrier because you are a gringo. Many times I've been approached by girls in standard disco's down in Ipanema, however as soon as they find out I'm a gringo...its goodbye. If these girls have already decided that a gringo is not for them and have a 'closed mind', how will you open it.

Esjay

[pack]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Closed minds, posted by Esjay on May 5, 2001

boy you just dont have any luck do you. every story you tell women are running away from you , why is that ? you say its because you are a gringo? hmmm interesting? im reading tons of posts on this board about men going  south meeting ladies , getting married , having fun , positive trip reports one right after the other. then we come to esjay and the women are running away from him....interesting?

[Esjay]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Closed m..., posted by pack on May 6, 2001

Is the above meant to upset me? Ha Ha

Let me explain again in SIMPLE English.
Down in Ipanema are some trendy clubs/bars which I usually go to at weekends. On occasion a girl has come up to me to speak, however after 1 or 2 sentences (ie she realises that I'm not Brasilian, she will make excuses and walk away). Not after 1 hour or 6 hours, but after about 30seconds. This happens all the time. Another point here, if you don't speak the language well, YOU ARE GETTING NOWHERE IN BRASIL. Even the majority of the middle classes don't speak English, you also tend to get the feeling that they can't be bothered putting the effort in to understand you if if you speak 'broken' Portuguese.

Esjay

[pack]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: You'..., posted by Esjay on May 6, 2001

and you try to understand me and what several people on this board have repeated to you numerous times ..what you are discrbing to us CAN BE SAID ABOUT ANYPLACE IN THE WORLD! cali , D R , mexico , china , france where ever? look if you had such a bad time in brazil im sorry , and if it was as miserable as you say it was for you then i would suggest never go back there, try somewhere different . but to generalize the way you do about the country its people its women is just not accurate especially when any person on this board that has had any experience with brazil says just the opposite of you. good luck whatever country you decide to visit next.

[Esjay]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ..., posted by pack on May 6, 2001

I only count Ralph, he was in Rio for 2 days. Who are all these other people???  there you go again pack...just inventing and inventing!

Esjay