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Author Topic: Affection - what's normal?  (Read 7403 times)
Sol
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« on: April 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

Ok, I've got a tough question. I realize this question doesn't have a cookie cutter answer so I'd be interested in your personal experiences.

I'm a very affectionate person. I like to touch casually when I talk with women, I like to hug, I enjoy a kiss on the lips, I like stroking a lady's hair. All this of course after I've gotten to know her and she's gotten to know me and we feel comfortable with each other. I understand that the Colombian culture is fairly conservative and that women are individual in their desire/interest in physical contact and while I enjoy sex and expect to experience it with a potential wife before commiting I certainly am in no hurry to move in that direction with any lady I'm not intent on marrying and not without some time to develop trust and intimacy.

So, my question is, what's been your experience in terms of time and number of dates/visits for your lady to have felt comfortable with affectionate touch that's not platonic. The lady I visited in Medellin was VERY uncomfortable with anything but holding hands and that was after 9 days of being together and after three months of what I thought were some very intimate email and telephone conversations.

How conservative are these women? If one is that conservative how do I know that she will ever be affectionate towards me? The reality is that she and I have a number of fundamental differences and are not compatible anyway but I'm interested to know, physically, what your experienceces have been with her pace and with yours.

As always, thanks for sharing your experiences.

Sol

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Traveler
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Affection - what's normal?, posted by Sol on Apr 21, 2001

latin people are generally more gregarious than Americans.  Displays of affection are normal and expected; thus the famous kiss on the cheek salutation and farewell.

despite legalized prostitution, sex tourism and general seediness in many latin countries; latin america is still much more conservative than the US.  The people appear to be more dedicated to religion and definitely to family.  I think it is a fair bet that many more latin women are virgins when they get married than in the states percentage wise.  

I dated a 22 year old girl in Puerto Rico, I was 29 at the time.  She would hold hands and liked being with me but it took two months before I even could kiss her on the lips.  She was not a very good kisser, no practice.  she got better though.  Anyway she told me she was a virgin and didn't think sex was appropriate until marriage.  I didn't think she was worth the wait.  The relationship lasted but 3 months.

On the other hand, I dated another one for 1.5 years and we made love on the first date.  I guess you can see where my priorities lie.  

lets be honest, when American men travel to latin america obviously they are looking to score whether with a regular girl picked up in a bar or an escort, or even a MOB.  most men, unless they live there, would not have the patience let alone the time to charm and seduce a conservative girl.  The MOB industry appeals to the impatient American life stye.  You meet her you marry her. Marriage is the expected result

I think latin women are wise to foreign men.  They know what you are after.  Therefore, they may be extremely hesitant to give it up to someone they may never see again, even though they may really like you.

now you said you enjoy sex and want to experience it with your future wife before taking any vows.  therefore, you may find yourself in a dilemma. you may have found one of those truly pure, no sex until marriage girls and therefore you will have to decide whether the wait is worth it.

On the other hand, she may not really be interested in you and you are wasting your time.  Do you think she likes you??    what kind of signs are you getting??  

however, as you mentioned, each woman has her own idiosyncrasies that affect her attitudes and behavior regarding sex.  

P.S.  be wary of evangelical girls.  they tend to be more fanatical and conservative than the Catholic girls.  

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chao
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to latin passion; no real answer, posted by Traveler on Apr 22, 2001

I used to work with a young lady of Mexican-American heritage who is married to a gringo.  She told me that when they first went out on dates, she wouldn't let him kiss her until they had gone out 10 times.

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chao
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Affection - what's normal?, posted by Sol on Apr 21, 2001

I'm wondering the same thing, too.  I met a lady last August in Cartagena.  We had one date during my first trip.

I went back in November, and again this month.  Each time I stayed for about 3-4 days.  We went out everyday for lunch and dinner.  

Besides my visits, I've called and/or emailed her once or twice a week.  After all of this, I still haven't gotten past a kiss on the cheek.  

Is this girl conservative, or what?  Opinions, please.

chao

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Houndog
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Affection - what's normal?, posted by chao on Apr 22, 2001

heres my advice for Truly Serious guys. That have a goal of marriage with a good girl.

Go into the archives, start at the very beggining. Look for the threads by LarryS. There are multitudes of threads on research and steps that when studied and applied will give insight into, and help with the selection process.

Every aspect of relationships has been discussed at lenght. From finding the one, to being the one. Numerous books, guides and aides are chronicled.

To the vets...it's called "Doing Your Homework". This is a difficult venue to trevas. If the difficulties are not taken seriously, there are many potholes and landmines that one could stumble upon, on this road to happily ever after.

I started this process about 2 years ago. Followed all the advice of those older and wiser than I. And firmly believe in the addage that...The mistakes of the Past, "Can" be corrected in the Future. But not without first recognizing them...and then...putting forth whatever Effort is Neccesary to prevent them from happening again. For those that have no mistakes of the past to prevent reacurring, the archives can help prevent ever making some mistakes in the first place in the game of love.

The reason the search for love is rather difficult is that it consists of two opposing elements......Emotion..and..Intelect. An internal war exists between what we want..what we need...and what we can have. Emotion tends to overide our Intelect when love and lust are concerned. Therefore without preparation, we can easily overlook factors that can effect Long Term happiness and permanance,for Short Term satisfaction.  

So for the Best Odds of complete Long Term success in this Difficult and Risky venue...read the Archives carefully and follow the steps and advice, IMO, someday you'll be glad you did.

Regards, Houndog

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goog
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Affection - what's normal?, posted by chao on Apr 22, 2001

"We went out everyday for lunch and dinner"

Maybe she's just hungry...

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Traveler
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Affection - what's normal?, posted by goog on Apr 22, 2001

n/t
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Larry in Dallas
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to good one goog, maybe some variation from..., posted by Traveler on Apr 22, 2001

Dear Traveler:

   Not all American men are expecting sex before marriage, me included.

                                   Respectfully,
                                   Larry in Dallas

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Houndog
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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Affection - what's normal?, posted by Sol on Apr 21, 2001

The ones that 'Want You" are very affectionate IMO. If they feel chemistry for you..a little shyness in the beggining is normal with good girls everywhere, however I use the same rules I would use here. The 3 Date Rule...no intamacy(kissing on the lips minumum) after 3 dates...and I now have another "friend"...which ain't what I was lookin for. I think many latinas are very passionate...BUT NEVER EVER NEVER take anything for grated in this Difficult venue. Get definative answers to ALL issues of importance to you ON THE FRONT END.

Your mileage may vary...

Houndog

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pack
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Affection - what's normal?, posted by Sol on Apr 21, 2001

yea a lot of the ladies are only into the hand holding and kisses on the cheek at first. then later..i need air!!
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