In the Presence of My Enemies

[Alvin1]

... in response to Re: Read the newspaper from, posted by Jay on Jun 2, 2003

The Philippine Military Generals are highly intelligent and many have been educated in the USA.  I do not know why you would insult them with such arrogance. The generals have intellect, power and control the politics of the country thru their influence.  GMA operates at the pleasure of the military and you will never see her contradict their authority publically. If you do not believe me, ask your "FRIENDS IN HIGH PLACES." Your remarks are strongly racist.  Filipinos are as intelligent as any other race of people and many are as dedicated to their work as American and sometimes even more dedicated.  Many Filipinos have given their life to improve the security of their country.  

Thank you for agreeing with me on the Marcos regime but you make my point much better then I without the understand to understand.

I agree that the Catholic church is very strong politically since up to 90% of Filipinos are Catholic but they have no military power. The army has political, economic and military power.  

GMA does not have a hard time dealing with the Generals, she simply does what they want her to do so that she can keep her position. She has never demoted or deciplined an army general or colonel since taking office.  She has never criticized a military person since taking office.  She only promises to investigate when a complaint is made and you never hear her say anything after that.

There is corruption because the generals operate autonomously in many cases because of their political power and lack of well defined presidential powers or congressional power to fire them.  For example, watch the hearings on the Burnham charges, if there are hearings on the charges as promised by GMA.  I am sure that you know all about this since you read the Filipino papers frequently.  

The RP is still considered by most to be a 3rd world country and the military always occupies a position of authority which determines the politics of the country.  Without the military there is no rule in most 3rd world country.  The armies are controlled by the generals, not the president.

I am insulted by your remarks, not because my wife and daughers are Filipina, but becasue your remarks are unintelligent, inflammatory and racist.  Your are judging a group of people as not smart or strong.  There are some good generals in the RP who suffer because of the actions of a few.

I usually ignore inflammatory posts like yours but I cannot because you are insulting my Filipino family here and in the RP with your absurd remarks and I do not want to ignore it and let people assume that I cannot reponse to this type of inflammatory remarks with intelligence.

Please name your friends in high places and their titles.  I am not saying that I doubt you but I would like some documentation of these friends.  I am sure that they are not Filipino becasue they would not be smart or strong enough to be your friend.

Alvin

[Jay]

... in response to What friends in high places?, posted by Alvin1 on Jun 2, 2003

[This message has been edited by Jay]

Jesus Alvin, were you born an assh0le, or did you work at it your whole life?

Don't even try to go there with me. I won't bite. Your knowledge of the Philippines is apparently limited at best, and it's painfully obvious that YOU are the one with racist issues. Don't like white folks too much, do ya, Alvin? Always screaming racism. You came on here before with that nonsense calling someone else a racist over something just as far in left field as this.

If you want to debate Philippine politics, fine. However, when you start the racist crap, I'm out. I don't debate with lunatics, gives me a headache.

As for my friends in high places, well, had you asked nice I would have gladly dropped a couple of names. However since you didn't, I don't feel compelled to answer.

I have a Filipino family too Alvin. Not to mention, many old dear family friends. These include former politicians and Generals. My own blood family history in the Philippines goes back over 50 years. How about yours? I don't need to prove my credentials to you.

I'm not upset by your remarks as I feel they make my point better than I ever could.

Jay

[Alvin1]

... in response to Re: What friends in high places?, posted by Jay on Jun 2, 2003

"Jesus Alvin, were you born an assh0le, or did you work at it your whole life?"

When you know you are lossing such a simple debate,  and you cannot respond intelligently because you have made idiotic statements that no one can defend, then you resort to name calling, profanity and insults.

"Don't even try to go there with me. I won't bite. Your knowledge of the Philippines is apparently limited at best, and it's painfully obvious that YOU are the one with racist issues. Don't like white folks too much, do ya, Alvin? Always screaming racism. You came on here before with that nonsense calling someone else a racist over something just as far in left field as this."

I never made a racist statement, you did without even knowing what you were saying was racist.  You insulted the entire Philippines when you wrote: "The Philippine military is not smart enough or strong enough to do anything right".
I have never made a racist statement or called anyone a racist without justification.  Racism is for the intelligently challenged.  Your statement speaks for itself.  You respond to any type of disagreement with reactionarism associated with name calling, insults and profanity rather than facts.

"If you want to debate Philippine politics, fine. However, when you start the racist crap, I'm out. I don't debate with lunatics, gives me a headache."

Oh, that is why you respond inapproiately, you have a headache.

"As for my friends in high places, well, had you asked nice I would have gladly dropped a couple of names. However since you didn't, I don't feel compelled to answer."

I did ask nicely but this was your response. You have no friends in high places.  This is the very typical response when someone makes an untrue statement and they have to wiggle out of it.

"I have a Filipino family too Alvin. Not to mention, many old dear family friends. These include former politicians and Generals. My own blood family history in the Philippines goes back over 50 years. How about yours? I don't need to prove my credentials to you."

Oh, that is why you say that the philippine military is not smart enough or strong enough, because of your Filipino hertiage, Filipino General and politician friends and intimate knowledge of the RP.  Your hertiage, friends and knowledge of the RP has lead to your conclusion that the Philippine Military is not smart or strong.  Conclusion: Your Filipino Former General and Former Politican friends are not smart or strong.  I am sure that is why you used the word: Former

"I'm not upset by your remarks as I feel they make my point better than I ever could."

Good, someone has to make your point better than you.

Alvin

[Jay]

... in response to NO  friends in high places?, posted by Alvin1 on Jun 3, 2003

"The Philippine military is not smart enough or strong enough to do anything right".

Did I say this??

No, I said this:"The military is not strong enough or smart enough to control the country".

Big difference. You try to change my words to suite your argument. Very bad form.

"I have never made a racist statement or called anyone a racist without justification"

BS... You just did it to me. I believe the last time it was Dave H. Correct me if I am wrong.

I was speaking of the Philippine military as a military. Not as a race or individuals. Militarily they are "the gang that couldn't shoot straight". Sorry, but that's the cold, hard facts. Thier record speaks for itself. That is why the US is now training them. This has nothing to do with racism.It's a military thing.  Anyone reading my post can clearly see that. Except you. However, you chose to scream racism. I wonder why?

I set you up Alvin. My first post asking where you got the idea that the military runs the country was the hook. Most of your posts in the past have been rather negative as I remember. More of a troll like quality. I wanted to see what you were like. Well, I couldn't believe you got all the way to racism. So quickly too. That was the icing on the cake for me. I didn't think you would go there. Mainly because I would never give you a reason. I wouldn't say anything racist. Then you latch on to what I said about the Philippine military and run with it. Amazing, really.

A man gets higher education and many times he begins to feel a bit superior in intellect to his fellows around him. As time goes on and his feelings of superiority grow, so does he become more vulnerable to being made a fool of. He becomes an easy mark. You are that man, Alvin. You fell for my plan hook, line and sinker. Sorry, I was bored that day.

Frankly, I agree with most of your assesment of the Philippine military. Except that it controls the country. Let me give you a clue. FAMILIES run the Philippines. Depends who's president on what families are running the show. Usually 3 or 4 families with ties to the presidents family. They all have one thing in common. They are stinking rich. Now it is the Macapagals and thier off shoots. These are the ones who get all the buisiness contracts etc and get even richer during the presidents term. They extend into all sectors of society including the military. Philippine politics is more about clans than anything else.

What I meant about the Philippine military was that I believe the people are too smart to ever let the military be again so in control as during Marcos time. They have been there, done that and have the EDSA T-shirts to prove it. Too bad you couldn't see that.

 "The board has few members becasue of this type of behavior and Patrick has to monitor the board like an elementary school principal to delect remarks such as the ones from you and Jay"

This is from your post to Ray. If you think this board is bad then your obviously not reading the other boards. We're the LEAST confontational board of the three.

As for friends in high places. I say former because they are all old and retired now. They are my Tito's and Tita's. Family fiends of my parents. The ones that are still alive anyway. All come from the type of families I just described above. I don't talk to them all much anymore, but from time to time I give some a call. Like recently when I got my pilots license. My 76 year old father talks to all of them regularly though. Between them and all his old retired friends who live in the Philippines, many former intelligence people, he is very up to date on whats going on there. Particularly behind the scenes. So I guess I erred. I usually get the scoop on the Philippines and whats happening there from the old man, unless I talk to one of my Tito's. Not firsthand. My mistake. You can only get this type of perspective from these kind of folks and if you don't know anyone from these families, you get a distorted view of whats really going on. That's all I meant. I do not know the president.

I've got to go to Orlando tommorow for my FILIPINO daughters wedding, so I can't spend time arguing with you. I wish you the best, Alvin and would have gladly liked to talk more about your thoughts on the Philippine military. You do make some good arguments and seem to have some idea of what your talking about. However, you failed the lunatic troll test. I can't deal with a man who see's the world through hate filled racist glasses. I just don't have the time nor energy for it......

[Ray]

... in response to Re: NO  friends in high places?, posted by Jay on Jun 3, 2003

Hey Jay,

Is that going to be a traditional kasalan (Filipino style wedding) in the church? Just remeber not to fart while you're walking her down the aisle :-)

Ray

[Jay]

... in response to Re: Re: NO  friends in high places?, posted by Ray on Jun 3, 2003

Hi Ray,

LMMFAO!! No, it's going to be a traditional American wedding. It's actually on Saturday, but we're going tommorow. I'll try to remember your advice! ;-)

Jay

[Dave H]

... in response to Re: NO  friends in high places?, posted by Jay on Jun 3, 2003

Hi Jay,

...it was a post to Humabdos that you are referring to. "I believe the last time it was Dave H. Correct me if I am wrong."

For now, I will let you guys fight it out. It has the potential to become a very interesting and informative thread on the Philippines.

Congratulations on your daughter's wedding!

Dave H.

[Jay]

... in response to I think..., posted by Dave H on Jun 3, 2003

Hi Dave,

My mistake. I just remember Alvin went off on someone calling them racist over something I thought at the time was bizzare. Can't remember what it was.

This HAD the potential to become a very interesting and informative thread. IF it didn't go into left field.

I'm not fighting it out. I truly don't have the time and I'm not upset by the whole thing. It's about what I expected. Not the racism charges, but some kind of angry reply.

Thanks for the congrats.

Jay

[Ray]

... in response to NO  friends in high places?, posted by Alvin1 on Jun 3, 2003

Hey Alvin,

Let me explain something to you. The Philippine military is NOT a race, it’s an organization. If I said that the U.S. INS is too stupid and too lazy to do their job right, does that make me a racist??? To attempt to portray Jay’s comments as racist only makes you look like a dumb-ass uneducated fool, IMHO.

YOU are the one who started with the insults and personal attacks, so quit your stupid whining.

Ray

[Ray]

... in response to Re: Read the newspaper from, posted by Jay on Jun 2, 2003

I think that people who get all of their “facts” from cab drivers and newspapers, then think that they know it all, are only fooling themselves.

The Abu Sayef murdered Martin Burnham just as surely as they chopped the head off of Guillermo Sobero. They sure did want to keep HIM alive, didn’t they - yeah, right! Making excuses for the terrorists by blaming Burnham’s death on the corrupt military is simply asinine IMHO.

Ray

[Alvin1]

... in response to I Agree Jay, posted by Ray on Jun 2, 2003

NT

[Ray]

... in response to As I expected from you Ray, typical. I n..., posted by Alvin1 on Jun 2, 2003

You blamed the military for Martin Burnham's death. Just because he died during a rescue attempt, doesn't mean that you place the blame on the rescuers.

Put the blame where it belongs...on the Abu Sayef terrorists!

Ray

[Alvin1]

... in response to Go back and read your posts again!, posted by Ray on Jun 2, 2003

I live in a military town (Fort Bragg, home of the 82nd) home of well trained soldiers that could have possibly rescued the Burnhams alive and well with their training and patience.  The actions of the RP military were described by Ms. Burnham as .....   Well go read the book, it is obvious that you have not read the book and as usual shooting from the hip.  

Alvin

Alvin

[Ray]

... in response to The blames lies on the Abu S.., posted by Alvin1 on Jun 2, 2003

And you're shooting from your ass buddy.

I don't care if you live in Tijuana. Where you live doesn't make you any more intelligent or informed than anyone else here. I live in a bigger military town (San Diego) than you do, but I am not so arrogant as to proclaim a superior knowledge of world events because of where I live. LOL!

Your comments about asking a cab driver were insulting and arrogant. You seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you is misinformed, ignorant, and a racist. Blah, blah, blah!

Sorry, but I find Jay's logic much more intelligent than yours. Jay has much more experience in the Philippines than you do and to call him a racist is absolute bull shyt!

Ray

[Alvin1]

... in response to Re: The blames lies on the Abu S.., posted by Ray on Jun 2, 2003

"Sorry, but I find Jay's logic much more intelligent than yours. Jay has much more experience in the Philippines than you do and to call him a racist is absolute bull shyt!"

"Ray"

Are you grading my intelligence?  If so, then I can understand your statement.  The only difference between Ray and Jay is the first letter.  You both resort to reactionary insults because you cannot defend a simple point.

I read this board for the jokes and scan the board out of curiosity.

You are a good contributory to the board and will take the time to look up information from websites to give answers to neophye questions.

The board has few members becasue of this type of behavior and Patrick has to monitor the board like an elementary school principal to delect remarks such as the ones from you and Jay.

Both of you need to grow up and stop using profanity and insults when someones dares to disagree with you.

Alvin