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Author Topic: In the Presence of My Enemies  (Read 16252 times)
Febtember
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« on: May 28, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

Those of you who never buy or read this book of Gracia Burnham you should hurry now to go to your local bookstore.(barnes and nobles bookstore)Cost only 23 bucks and worth reading.Very nice story, for me it's funny but sad.Raquel
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Alvin1
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to In the Presence of My Enemies, posted by Febtember on May 28, 2003

Excellent book but puts the Filipine Military in a very bad light with accusations of corruption and incompetent military actions that eventually resulted in the death of Mr. Burnham.  GMA has promised to investigate the accusations but I wonder how successful that will be since the military controls the country.

Alvin

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Ray
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Excellent book for the spiritual, posted by Alvin1 on May 29, 2003

Alvin,

It's easy to blame the death of Martin Burnham on the incompetent actions of the Philippine military, but let’s put the blame where it really belongs. Lest we forget where the REAL problem lies, he was murdered by the scumbag a-hole Abu Sayef dick-head Shyt-eating Muslim extremist terrorists who kidnapped him in the first place!

Also, same question as Jay’s: Where did you get the idea that Philippine military controls the country???

Ray

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outwest77
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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Huh?, posted by Ray on May 29, 2003

It has been widely reported in the phils newspapers that the army generals were on the take and wanted to split the ransom money , and thats why it took them so long to hunt down the abu sayeff, and the burnhams reported that the military delivered food to them regularly............
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Ray
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Huh?, posted by outwest77 on May 29, 2003

Yes, I've heard all of that before. So, that's why the military controls the country???

Ray

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outwest77
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Nah
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Huh?, posted by Ray on May 30, 2003

No i didnt say the military controls the country, that was someone else who said that.........

Just commenting on the bizarre extent of corruption there, sad that it holds down the country so much, the economy , etc.

Wish that there was an easy solution to bring the people out of poverty, but i think that is the main reason the phils wont soon claw its way out of their situation. Heck, even Vietnam, who only recently started modernizing, is ahead of the phils in its growth rate.

Still love the place, but am constantly amazed at the extent of the corruption in high places there.

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Ray
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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Nah, posted by outwest77 on May 30, 2003

I ran across this article recently and found it interesting.

Ray

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The worst, best of times / Back to your cave, Goma
by Teodoro C. Benigno

Philippine Star 01 August 2001

These are the worst of times, the best of times. This is a favorite quote from Charles Dickens I snatch from the literary-philosophical grove everytime the world shakes under my feet. Ninoy Aquino’s assassination almost 18 years ago had my world spinning as did EDSA One in 1986. And then EDSA II and EDSA III just so many heartbeats ago. And so in that sense, they were the worst of times. They rent our breast, spun us against the wall, and we would have fallen had we not also realized they were "the best of times." As Emerson said: "We learn geology the morning after an earthquake." And the Chinese word for crisis comprises two characters – one representing danger, the other opportunity.

And in this worst of times, brought to a brave, optimistic smile however threadbare by President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo in her promises-punctuated SONA (State of the Nation Address), we learn from G.K. Chesterton that "a tragedy always means a man’s struggle with that which is stronger than man." Know what was missing in that SONA? A soul.

In many of our recent writings, greatly helped by a month’s vacation where he could reflect better, this author chartered a different path. We sought to understand why the Filipino remained a "born loser" in the great human struggle to escape poverty, why our democracy remained an abject failure, why unlike the others our economy couldn’t soar. We talk and bicker too much, and act too little, said GMA in her SONA. The Yellow Paper II of 30 outstanding economists and social scientists said we needed more "effective leadership" plus a program to alleviate poverty. That multinational guru Peter Wallace said Filipinos must develop a sense of national pride and doing things for society, not the individual. The CNN-APS led by Triccie Sison and Brother Roly Dizon brought out its rapier to thrust gamely at poverty and corruption.

I have chosen the culture of the Filipino as my battleground.

Mine is the conviction that unless we dig deep into our culture, we will never see the pit bull that has torn our pants off, gnawed at our intestines and robbed us of our soul.

And so we possess a rich class which does not care about anything except getting more rich, a very corrupt political system that extols democracy but lives off the fat of the land, and a dominant religion, habits, customs and beliefs – yes mores – that somehow glorify the poor and are stubbornly resistant to modern economic progress —- and hard, back-breaking work. Small wonder we Filipinos have the biggest begging panhandle this part of the world.

I have dwelt on this many times in this space. Deep inside, our culture is Ibero-Catholic-Spanish. Let me emphasize that. The Philippines is the only real daughter of the Roman Church in Asia. Thus, we are so different from the rest in Asia. We pray a lot to the Virgin Mary and all the saints in heaven. Hollywood is just frosting on our cultural cake. We speak English by historic accident and not because America’s Protestant Old World culture —- drawn from the Industrial Revolution in Britain and the Renaissance in Europe – got deeply lodged in our psyche.

To better illustrate, we would like to refer to that celebrated Peruvian writer Mario Vargas Llosa (who lost to disgraced Alberto Fujimori when the latter first ran for the presidency). Vargas Llosa wrote that economic, educational, and judicial reforms in Latin America (he must as well have added the Philippines) were impossible:

"Unless they are preceded or accompanied by a reform of our customs and ideas, and of the whole complex of habits, knowledge, image and forms that we understand by ‘culture.’ The culture within which we live and act today in Latin America is neither liberal nor is it altogether democratic. We have democratic governments, but our institutions, our reflexes, our mentality are very far from being democratic. They remain populist and oligarchic, or absolutist, collectivist and dogmatic, flawed by social and racial prejudices, immensely intolerant with respect to political adversaries and devoted to the worst monopoly of all, that of the truth."

Digest that well. Don’t you get the heebie-jeebies? And then we go to Samuel P. Huntington (world famous for his classic Clash of Civilizations). In his Pan-American Dream, Huntington identifies ten values or mind-sets that distinguish progressive cultures from static cultures. You could almost swear Huntington was writing about the Philippines, vide :

First. time orientation. Progressive cultures emphasize the future. Static cultures emphasize the present or past.

Second. Work is central to the good life in progressive cultures but is a burden in static cultures. In the former, work structures daily life. Diligence, creativity, and achievement are rewarded not only financially but also with satisfaction and self-respect.

Third. Frugality is the mother of investment — and financial security — in progressive cultures but is a threat to the ‘egalitarian’ status quo in static cultures, which often have a zero-sum world view.

Fourth. Education is the key to progress in progressive cultures. Connections and family are what count in static cultures.

Fifth. Community. In progressive cultures, the radius of identification and trust extends beyond the family, to the broader society. Societies with a narrow focus of identification and trust are more prone to corruption, tax evasion, and nepotism, and they are less likely to engage in philantrophy.

Sixth. Merit is central to advancement in progressive cultures. Again, connections and family are what count in static cultures.

Seventh. The ethical code tends to be more rigorous in progressive cultures. Every advanced democracy (except Belgium, Taiwan, Italy and South Korea appears among the 25 least corrupt countries on Transparency International’s Corruption Perception Index.

Eighth. Justice and fair play are universal expectations in progressive cultures. In static culture, justice like personal advancement is often a function of whom you know and how much you can pay (Hear, hear! Now you know why GMA and Ping Lacson met in Malacañang. TCB).

Ninth. Authority tends toward dispersion and horizontality in progressive cultures, towards concentration and verticality in static cultures.

Tenth. Secularism. The influence of religious institution on civic life is small in progressive cultures. Its influence is often substantial in static cultures.

What I want to happen is that our culture as Filipinos gets to front and center in a raging national discussion and debate. It’s time we elevated the quality and context of the national agenda. Huge and bigger cracks are opening in our republican armor . . . And unless we move soon, we Filipinos shall all miss the point. The locomotive. We are almost half a century late. Already we are biting the dust of Thailand and Malaysia. Shall we wait for Vietnam to send us to the cleaners?

That’s why the spectacle of Richard Gomez threatening to use "people power" to get himself back into the Congress as MAD (Mamamayan Ayaw sa Droga) representative is absolutely hilarious. Mad, Go back to your cave, Goma, or whatever planet you came from. You’re the kind that People Power spits out. You got a lot of gall, kiddo. Stick to the movies, and get the stink of the last presidency out of your system. Kee-rist! At one time you even heavily advertised cigarettes.
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outwest77
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« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to One Filipino's Perspective, posted by Ray on May 31, 2003

Interesting the Part about glorifying poverty, i agree with that...........and noticed it a lot, in the newspapers,


And the part about vietnam even, beginning to overtake them, i notice that too.

Sad that the phils with all the english speaking hard working smiling citizens, cant dig itself out of the economic basement........

Love going there though.

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Jay
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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Nah, posted by outwest77 on May 30, 2003

"Still love the place, but am constantly amazed at the extent of the corruption in high places there"

Well said. Me too. I've never heard of a military on the take like that. I'm sure it's happened in other countries, but I never heard of it. Can you imagine being a soldier in that Army?? How terrible. Your own commanders selling you out. Unfathomable to me.

Jay

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Jay
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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Excellent book for the spiritual, posted by Alvin1 on May 29, 2003

'since the military controls the country"

Where do you get that idea from??

Jay

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Alvin1
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Excellent book for the spiritual, posted by Jay on May 29, 2003

Marcos to the time GMA assumed the presidency.  GMA had to ask for the support of the military before she assumed the presidency.  It was widely reported in the paper that Ramos wanted to stay in power but the major generals would not support him and allowed the public protests against him to proceed.

Mr. Burnham was killed when the Abu S.. was attacked by the Philippine Military.  No one knows who fired the shot that killed Mr. Burnham.  The Abu's wanted to keep both of them alive for possible ramsom and there was no benefit to killing them. You have to read the book before making assumption about who killed of Mr. Burnham.

Did you see the interview of GMA by one the news documentary prior to the ""rescue"" of Mrs. Burnham?  If you had seen this documentary, you would know what I am talking about.  She was pathetic in the interview when questioned about the Burnham saga.

It is well known in the RP that the military generals are extremely powerful and are not easily controlled by the president of the country as they are in the US. The Generals in the USA answer to the President and obey his orders.  The Generals in the RP discuss what is to be done with the president and then they decide what is to be done.  Since 1947, Marcos is the only president to control the generals but this is possible becasue he was more corrupt then they were.

This is not an assumption it is fact that can be obtained by simply reading the newspaper.

If all this fails to convince you, then ask any educated cab driver who speaks English when you visit again.

Alvin

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Jay
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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Read the newspaper from, posted by Alvin1 on Jun 2, 2003

This is not an assumption it is fact that can be obtained by simply reading the newspaper"

No it isn't, it's an assumption and one that's pretty far off the mark.

The military is not strong enough or smart enough to control the country. Hec, even the Catholic church has as much if not more, power than the military. That doesn't mean either one "controls" the country. Although I'm sure GMA has a hard time dealing with the Generals, they do not TELL her what to do.  The closest the military came to controling the country WAS during Marcos. The military WAS Marcos. That was because of the Martial Law declared. Though even during that time it didn't feel like that. At least not in Manila where I was living at the time. Only time I ever saw the military during Martial Law was when I would go visit bases or during curfew from 1-4 AM.

I think it's obvious that your assumption is wrong. I think your misunderstanding what you are reading. To say the military controls the government is just flat out incorrect, but the Generals do talk alot of smack and I can see where someone who is unfamiliar with the way things work there could get that impression.

When it comes to the Philippines, I need not seek out educated cab driver's and the like. I get my information firsthand or from reliable sources such as friends in high places. I have also read a Philippine newspaper almost every day since 1974. :-)

Jay

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Jimbo
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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Read the newspaper from, posted by Jay on Jun 2, 2003

I agree Jay, even though all my friends in the Philippines are in LOW places :-D

Jim

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Ray
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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Blame it all on my roots, posted by Jimbo on Jun 2, 2003

ROTFLMAOTNTPIMP!

Yeah Jimbo, I have Filipino friends in low places also. Every time a typhoon rolls through, they get flooded out. I keep telling them to move up to the high ground, but they just won't listen... :-)

Ray

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Jay
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2003, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Blame it all on my roots, posted by Jimbo on Jun 2, 2003

LMMFAO!! Yeah Jim, I got friends there too!

Jay

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