Midnightgirl

[kevin]

... in response to Re: OOPS, I may be wrong on the date,, posted by SteveG on Mar 22, 2001

was a significant date too.  LOL.

- Kevin

[Dave H]

... in response to March 20, 1993 . . ., posted by kevin on Mar 22, 2001

The day Kevin dropped the fartomic bomb on the Philippines! ;o))

Dave H.

[Alvin]

... in response to Re: OOPS, I may be wrong on the date,, posted by SteveG on Mar 22, 2001

I do not condemn the members for the most part, they are just trying to get to heaven the best way that they can from what they have been told.  However joining this church may reflect certain personlity traits such as dependency, insecurity or even arrogance since it is the "only true church" and do not recognize that other churches have a place in society.

Regards

Alvin

[kevin]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Midnightgirl, posted by SteveG on Mar 21, 2001


I was 16 years old the first time I ever read a Plain Truth magazine.  It just blew my mind.  I read Herber Armstrong's book, "The Wonderful World Tomorrow". ,If what was said in the book was 100% true, we wouldn't have made it to Y2K.

What IS true (what the Woldwide Church of God said; publisher of ther Plain Truth) is that in the end times, Israel would again be a nation.  In the very end, there will be a revived Roman Empire, hence the European Union which is developing at an accelerating pace.

For many years the Plain Truth warned that the real perpetrator of unparralelled destruction and evil was going to be a "United States of Europe".  After a brief period of peace, prosperity and deceiving the world, the Antichrist (a powerful leader of the European Union and of the rest of the world beneath it)would unleash his true colors.

The Catholic church was regarded as a false church where the word of God had been corrupted.  Herbert Armstrong proclaimed to be a messenger.  His views were Anglo-centric.  That's why the United States (Manasseh) was the best place in the world to live.  Other nations of the British Commonwealth (the Anglo-Saxons of the world, descendents of Abraham, God's chosen people entrusted to spread the word) wore the brothers of Manessah.  Great Britain was referred to as Ephraim.  According to this doctrine, it explains the perpetual poverty in the Philippines.  The United States and Great Britain will be reduced to third-world status in the near future because the people that God has entrusted to spread the word (namely Anglo-Saxons and Europeans in developed nations), have chosen to reject God and choose the path of pagan, heathen, immoral lives.  Americans have come to place their trust in money instead of God.  God is about to revoke his blessings, and many Americans and Britons will be caught by surprise.

Thre is an interesting book by Armstrong called "The United States and Britain in Prophecy".

There are some paralells between the Worldwide Church of God (which the faithful, after the death of Herbert Armstrong, formed the Philadelphia Church; the WCG became corrupted) and Iglisia ni Cristo. The definition of hell is one of them.  The Catholic church being regarded as fundamentally corrupt is another.  A big difference between the two religions is that Iglisia ni Cristo originated in the Philippines, by someone of Malay stock.

The doctrine of the Plain Truth was that God chose Anglo-Saxons and other Europeans to spread the word all over the world.  It would be up to the native peoples to accept or reject Jesus Christ as their savior.  But to accept Christ, lots of ways, traditions, etc. would have to be abandoned.

- Kevin

[Ray]

... in response to Re: Midnightgirl, posted by SteveG on Mar 19, 2001

Gee Steve, that was a very interesting story. I know what Kevin, Dave H, or I would have done if we were in your shoes :-)

The barangay where my wife comes from is about 95% Iglesia Ni Cristo. There are only a handful of Catholic families living there, but everyone seemed to get a long just fine. I asked my wife and some of her family about the Iglesia, but they didn’t have anything negative to say about them. As we walked past their church on Easter Sunday morning, I said happy Easter to the members standing outside and they all smiled and returned the greeting, so they seemed friendly enough.

One thing I did notice is that the Iglesia have the largest and most extravagant churches I’ve seen over there. The big one in Cebu towers over the city like a behemoth. When we passed the small town of San Jose on Dinagat Island in a pumpboat, I saw this humongous domed temple perched up on the hill overlooking the town. It made me think of the Taj Mahal. It was some kind of Iglesia Ni Cristo temple and it really looked totally out of place for the surrounding countryside.

Ray

[SteveG]

... in response to The Sermon from Hell, posted by Ray on Mar 19, 2001

Ray,
  I'm not sure which course of action you are referring to if you, Kevin or DaveH had been there in my honored position with the fire breathing preacher about 5 feet away condemning me with such enthusiasm.  Hmmm   It would have to be either a direct attack on his scrawny little body or a more subversive "Gas Warfare".  LOL   Trust me, I think I left finger prints in the hymnal and came EXTREMELY close to clubbing him in the head with it.   But rationality won out as I realized I probably wouldn't make a very good impression if I beat up the preacher in the pulpit.  )

  As to the other more subtle attack method, I was disarmed at the moment due to a generous dosage of charcoal pills.   Gotta make a good first impression you know?!   Nothing like charcoal and Bean-O to give you that gentle assurance that you got it all under control.  LOL

  You’re absolutely right about the people who belong to this church being friendly.   All the members I met were very friendly people.   Even this same minister was very friendly to me in his office the day before, but he was very forward about saying I was going to he!! and that everything I believed was completely wrong.  

  I don’t pretend to have all the answers, I just want to give guys advance warning about this church before they get involved with a Filipina thinking it is no big deal, only to find themselves backed into a corner with no solution after they are emotionally involved.     Frankly, I don’t understand why these ladies even try to have penpals or date outside their church if they know that nothing permanent can come of it??

  The extravagant white buildings do seem inappropriate in a country with such poverty, don't they?   Such self-glorifying waste speaks volumes to me about where this churches true interest lies.

                        SteveG

[greg]

... in response to Re: The Sermon from Hell, posted by SteveG on Mar 20, 2001

Bravo(clap clap clap clap) very goooooood Post lol

[Dave H]

... in response to Re: The Sermon from Hell, posted by SteveG on Mar 20, 2001

Hi Steve,

Sorry to hear that you were temporarily disarmed. ;o) I think you did a good job controlling yourself. In that case, I would have been tempted to trip him with my size 11's or hit him with the hymnal too. ;o))

I felt the same way about seeing the extravagant Iglesia Ni Cristo building, each time I drove past on a tricycle. It was made even more brilliant against the backdrop of poverty. It would have been impressive standing next to my church in the USA.

Dave H.

[Dave H]

... in response to Re: The Sermon from Hell, posted by SteveG on Mar 20, 2001

We would have been shooting fireballs from our arses...literally. ;o))

Dave H.

[SteveG]

... in response to Gas Attack with Possible Ignition Source..., posted by Dave H on Mar 20, 2001

Now, Dave, that would be impolite since the ladies sit in the back of the Church!  

                                   SteveG

[Dave H]

... in response to The Sermon from Hell, posted by Ray on Mar 19, 2001

Ray,

I would have brought my lighter and watched him try to escape the blue flames. ;o)

Since the Iglesia Ni Cristo is the "true" church...it would seem that, if I change my name to "Jesus," then the Bible would be all about me. If I'm going to Hell as they say, they will be sitting on the jeepney or Bachelor Express bus next to me.

Dave H.

[kevin]

... in response to Re: Midnightgirl, posted by SteveG on Mar 19, 2001

When I started reading the Plain Truth, it fundamentally shook up all I'd been taught in regards to Christianity and the true teachings.  The Plain Truth was the true messenger.  Since Herbert Armstrong died, his church became corrupted.

Now the Philadelphia Trumpet is spreading thwe word about the end of civilization as we know it.  It claims to be reveal the true word and prophesies of the Bible.

Well this Church is based on the premise that's God's true people are Anglo-Saxons.  Hence why the English speaking world has the best standard of living (God's bounty).  Anglo-Saxons are said to be Abraham's descendents.  But the United States and Great Britain is doomed because of all the filfth, immorality and false gods in the western world now as well as the rest of the world.

The European Union is growing evil empire according to the Philadelphia Trumpet.  You don't hear much about the European Union as being a threat to the U.S. or the world.  The European Union is now considered as almost as good a place to live as the United States, and for a brief period during its pinnicle will be better than the United States.

Then the Antichrist, head of the European Union, after deceiving the entire world, will unleah his true colors.  The Rapture has yet to take place.  But those who are saved will be spared from evil and suffering that has never been experienced through the history of mankind.

According to the Philadelphia Trumpet, published by the Philadelphia Church of God, only those that heed it's teachings will be saved (of which the vast majority of those saved would be Anglos, except for those non-Anglos that "truly" accepted Jesus Christ as their savior.

Roman Catholics are going to hell.  Any religion that celebrates Christmas is a false, heretical religion according to that church.  If what is said in Philadelphia Trumpet is 100% true, very few people in the world aren't going to hell.

Speaking of hell, to that church, the definition of "hell" has a different meaning.  But I'll explain what I know of it some other time.

- Kevin

[Dave H]

... in response to The Plain Truth and the Philadelphia Tru..., posted by kevin on Mar 19, 2001

"If what is said in the Philadelphia Trumpet is 100% true..."

-Kevin

Hey Kev,

They would be lucky if they were 50% (coin toss) right. What was their stand on Y2K? Stan Johnson and The Prophecy Club just about bought the farm on that one. 100%...Even the National Enquirer and I are not that good! But I will say that the Anti-Christ is Hillary Clinton, at least to the man who is married to her. I'm starting to feel sorry for Bill....NOT! ))

I will dance and speak in tongues for your dollars. Wearing the purple G-String will cost you extra. ;o))

Swami Dave H.

[Dave H]

... in response to The Real Truth..., posted by Dave H on Mar 20, 2001

Trust in the Lord, not in man!

You've heard the old saying; "You can't take it with you." That is because God does not want or need your money. Man does.

Just my thoughts,

Dave H.

[Alvin]

... in response to Trust..., posted by Dave H on Mar 20, 2001

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