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Author Topic: honest agency listing (need more agencies)  (Read 15053 times)
khersongirls
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« on: January 15, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

Hey guys,
I am looking for honest marriage agencies that I can help promote on the free site www.honestmarriageagencies.com . If you have used an agency recently and can highly recommend them please send me a email at kevin@honestmarriageagencies.com

I have three min requirments to be listed.

1. The agency web site must list an office address including the owners and contact information.

2. The agency must be legal. No hidden agencies or ones that meet you on a street corner.

3. A Policy pages that states the agencies policies dealing with ladies and client issues such as anti-scam policy and refund policy.

Thanks
Kevin Hayes

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LP
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to honest agency listing (need more agencie..., posted by khersongirls on Jan 15, 2005

[This message has been edited by LP]


...Honest? Maybe so. Ethical or moral? Why don't you ask 100 FSU people on the street how ethical or moral agencies are? You even admitted in your post below the general population doesn't think much of them and that's also be my experience in every country involved, including the USA.

Whether an agency is "honest" or not matters only to those who are involved in using them. It's like viewing your local coke dealer as an OK guy simply because he's taking care of your dependence. Just because he gives you the good stuff to satisfy your fix instead of cutting it doesn't change the background ethics.

None of this is directed at you personally but the fact is you're in a business that exploits vulnerable people for profit. Matchmaking in general is a slimy and unnatural business but at least when it's done domestically it has some valdidity. To do it in across cultures by exploiting third world countries where the motivation of the participants is usually something other than sincerity or simply to escape poverty makes it  reprehensible. Not to mention you're exploiting a sole factor (the language barrier) to pull it off. But forget language for a moment, when you or any other agency owner opens a branch in a developed country let me know and I might see it differently. Also spare me any comments about doing "good", alluding to altrusim is just plain insulting.

Fwiw, I've never been screwed in any way by an agency because I've never used one. It's because the entire racket smelled bad to me from day one. It'll be a cold day before I'm so helpless I have to resort to paying to meet women. I further separate FSU people into two groups, those associated with MOB and those not. I long ago quit dealing with those involved and experience has shown it to have been a wise decision.

The way I (and most everyone else not involved) see it is agencies do little more than peddle flesh in exchange for lining their pockets. They're selling a commodity for gain. One that, while legal, is one everyone not involved with looks down upon. Any battles between agencies are for one reason and one reason only: to protect a revenue stream generated by the gullible, helpless, and desperate on both sides. If this wasn't fact your post below about a dispute wouldn't be needed in the first place. As such these disputes garner zero sympathy from me, for all I care agencies can wage war until they completely kill each other off.

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Bruno Thoumsin
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Oh puleeze...., posted by LP on Jan 16, 2005

Again some man who speak about something he don't know...

I think your "cold day" is needed other you go stay virgin all your life of maybe you are gigolo ?

Every man pay for woman... same if you go out with a woman from your street, you pay some drink of flower for charm her... but maybe you are like a God...

And marriage agency don't search always money... i am myself owner from a online marriage agency and both men and women don't pay a cent... and both woman and men are checked... and because so check, i have not a lot of young woman of man... but these who wish fresh meal can visit my sponsor with several young scammer in swinsuit and the money earned is used for pay the service to normal man and woman...

Previously, i was married with a russian woman but she have ask the divorce the day she have receive the Belgium nationality... but again, i am with a woman from Ukraine... I am crazy ? Not now but before yes, i have married a young very sexy woman and i have know all the problem of the world... because i have dream...

Now, i have choose a woman around my age, maybe not a queen of beauty but with a mind, a heart, with feeling...

Try to find in Russia man who have know several divorce like in our western country... usualy, russian woman marry for the life... and not ten time like by us...

And about agency open in a modern country... they are the bad one... located in ex-USSR allow low cost of working but since the agency is located in western country, they need more money... for more money, they need more woman,... and for more woman, they pay 20$ for each lady placed... when the middle income in Russia is 150$ month, same already married place a ads online for these 20$...

These local agency are the only one who can control the woman... myself, i use my knowledge of informatic for control the IP from log, for track e-mail... and when i am suspicious, i ask official document...

Your agency in modern country have a big server in some room where all is full automatic, they use the computer only for check how much money they have earn... not true !!! I have make some check, i have post false ads with at all field the words "f--k you"... and they publish it...

All these agency who make big profit are not from locale agency but from big group who have several site, they use TV, newspaper, pay for ads on search engine... and people like you are ready to pay for so modern agency... but don't worry, it is not a war between the little agency, generaly, we collaborate very good together... myself, i send my woman to local agency in Europe ( France, London ) where they have a better service that online...

And about russian woman, they don't try to escape povetry... they have live like so for long time ago... they only search a good husband and father for children... and what to say from western man who treat the woman like slave... they will a young sexy woman who make all the work home, who listen the master,... why western man search woman in ex-ussr... because they are not more the chief at home with western woman, because during divorce, western woman empty your wallet...

And again, agency like my agency don't make money with the woman of man... i work at day like gardener for live and at evening, i try to give the best service i can to my visitor... Why? only because i wish that other people know the same happiness i know now with Galina...

But you go never find my site at the top of search engine because i have not the money for pay this...

And about scammer, ... since i have begin my site, i have around 20% of scammer woman, all below 25 year... and around 60% of scammer man... and in these 20% of woman, some was not from russia but from Turkey, America, Argentine... maybe it will be time to start a black list with western man for protect the woman from ex-ussr...

Next time, before attack something, maybe you need to learn a little more about the subject.

Friendly

Bruno and Galina
Love From Russia
http://www.love-from-russia.be

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LP
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to What do you know about ..., posted by Bruno Thoumsin on Jan 18, 2005

[This message has been edited by LP]


...Je ne sais pas quoi dire, si ce n'est, oui, tu es fou.
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Bruno Thoumsin
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: What do you know about ..., posted by LP on Jan 20, 2005

Ok, i am crazy... but about what Huh

About my free site where i don't try to make money ...

I make it for hobby and try help people and since i have begin, i have not receive complain from both man or woman, only from other agency...

About my wish to marry again a woman from ex-USSR

It is not because i have know a misluck with a russian woman that all woman are the same... how much western woman marry man because of the money, the big house, the confort life... how much man have not know several marriage and divorce in our "modern" country...

About my meaning ...

Everybody is free of meaning but when someone have a original meaning, other say that he is crazy... when some people have begin say that the earth was round and not plat, other people have say that it was crazy... who was right...

I accept that you say that i am crazy but explain me why...

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tim360z
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Oh puleeze...., posted by LP on Jan 16, 2005

Howdy LP,  I dunno?  Don't know this Kevin...but heard he is Ok,  for an agency owner. I can sort of understand his motivation to list "reputable" agencies...but there are just so few of them.  It's a waste of time.  And since all some guy has to do is say the agency is "reputable"?@#$%&$...Well,  there is just no good way to qualify that said source...is there,  Kevin?

Kinda like used car salesmen or politicians or car mechanics.  Beware. Agencies do belong in that slimy company where of slimy hucksters.  But there are individual exceptions,  like:

I know a great used car guy,  mainly deals with collectibles, exotics, and hard to find cars.  But he will also find and sell you a nice "daily driver" of the make and model you want.  He will make a "bump" or % off the deal... you are paying for his knowledge (25 years), sources and expertise to find that car you want.  And he is honest,  fair and backs everything up. Guy's  one-in-a-million.

I know a great car mechanic and the guy is so fair and honest with his customers that I sometimes can't believe it. If he works on your car...you will save money.  Downside is there is a very long waiting list to get your car into his shop...2 weeks is normal scheduling.

Politicians?  Even the unethical FSU agencies could learn a few tricks from our USA politicians who wrote the book on slimy, sly, devious and underhanded--but you know what?  I live in the small state of Vermont and we got 2 senators and 1 congressman and all 3 have character and scruples.

So,  ya know LP...there is a little good almost everywhere. If I needed a little agency help or travel connections or whatever I'd have no problem calling Jack or Kevin. But, the other 20,000 agency hucksters out there???  Dubious,  at best. And "matchmaking"?  What a carny game.  Ya just gotta laugh...alot.

LP,  I got one for you.  With the given population growth is there a sucker born every minute or every second?

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LP
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Oh puleeze....counterpoint, posted by tim360z on Jan 17, 2005

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...I hear ya Timmy. Kevin has proven himself to be a gentleman, not always easy when dealing with a guy of my bluntness. Plus he has enough perspective to know I wasn't banging on him personally. I admire that in folks because I  wish I had more of it myself. Add in Jack's (speaking of used car salesmen Wink endorsement and it's clear I underestimated him. Still, an agency is an agency and I feel they're exploitive of people, many who are vulnerable and ripe for the picking. But if they have to exist at least guys like Jack and Kevin are working to erase some of the stink.

My problem with agencies started way back in the beginning. Time and time again they would change what I wrote to a girl or would change her letters to me in an attempt to prevent personal contact and keep the money flowing. They even punched up letters so the women would sound more interesting. Drove me nuts (a short ride eh?Wink. It's difficult enough to trust these women but when you can't trust the translator why even continue? It's what prompted me to study the language and drove me away from agencies forever. In hindsight it was the smartest move I ever made and from there my opinion of them has only gone downhill.

Agencies are OK for finding housing and such although I prefer to use "independents" for that. There are plenty of FSU people who'll help you out with housing, translation, or guidance when needed and yet have nothing to do with peddling women. They're more trustworthy and since they don't deal with the serious losers in this biz on a daily basis they tend to be more friendly, less cynical, and more apt to give you better service. Even then,  the stories I've heard from them are enough to creep anyone out.

A sucker born every second? You got that right, especially in this racket. I'm trying to be less critical these days when I come across them, even nice, but it's killing me. Lol, good thing typing isn't hampered by a clenched jaw.  Don't even get me started on politicians or I'll be making a run to the dentist. Ah well, it's back to work tonight so everyone gets a break.

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khersongirls
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Oh puleeze...., posted by LP on Jan 16, 2005

Lp,
A vary narrow opinion. It would be like saying that 1/2 of all black people are drug users. 1/2 of all Italians are mafia members and 1/2 of all white people were slave owners. How can you separate a nation full of people into only two groups?   The only 50 percent ratio that is justified is half of the men on this list are most likely still single.

What I am saying is lets support the agency owners who try to make a difference and help others. I do not run an agency to make money. I do it for three simple reasons. 1. I like to help others find a wonderful wife like I did. 2.  It gives me something to do since I’m retired and have a lot of extra time available. And 3.  Most importantly I want to help the street children in Kherson have a better life. www.khersongirls.com/children

I agree that 99 percent of agencies are run like a business to make money. But does this make them bad? How many companies in America do you know that aren’t designed to make money?

As far as why there is a battle between my and another agency it is very simple. Read www.khersonbrides.net

You said this wasn’t person but when you said I run a company just to make money and wasn’t ethical or moral. I want you to come to Kherson and go to the children shelter and tell those children your opinion. Call of the clients who are now married ladies from kherson they meet though my agency.

None of this is directed at you personally, but to everyone who believe that every agency is the same and every owner is the same.  Treat me as an individual.

Thanks
Kevin Hayes

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LP
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Oh puleeze...., posted by khersongirls on Jan 16, 2005

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...As I pointed out, that "narrow" opinion is shared by a majority of the population in every country involved. Maybe you'll have better luck changing their minds.

However, I'm aware of your story and reputation as a standup guy. I also applaud your efforts to help the kids of Kherson. I've been there several times, in fact I nearly married a woman from there back when I thought FSU women were "better". They're not of course, I've met my share of snakes in Kherson. Happiness between two individuals isn't based on culture, country of origin, beauty, or any of the other shallow things "businesses" like yours proffer. It's based on two people in love, the vast majority of whom are not beautiful and of their own kind. You sell an illusion to vulnerable men, usually men who blame others for their own failings and then further delude themselves into thinking they have no other recourse. Agencies like yours perpetrate this illusion.

There are plenty of good women in the world, including the FSU, that a man can find on his own. I stand by a previous comment that agencies tend to draw the ones who can't for whatever reasons. Nor will I accept the "all compaines make money" argument. It's not just about money, it's the kind of business one operates to make it. Agencies exploit vulnerable people, usually the ones who haven't had a lot of success with relations to begin with. I have no doubt clients married through your (or any) agency are "happy" but they're obviously not objective because they're not typical people. If they were public opinion would be different.

I remind you there are billions of couples worldwide married to their own kind who've never been involved in MOB and consider themselves just as happy as any who have. That also applies to couples in the FSU, the vast majority of whom look down upon MOB for the same reasons as is done here. Why would they feel that way? Are they all mistaken and your tiny minority is right? Do MOB men honestly believe they've stumbled upon some great secret of happiness the rest of the world remains ignorant of? Read that again, it's the best argument that can be made against the nonsense that FSU women are "better" than any other brand. And if they are better it's only in the eyes of men who ran away from domestic women for wanting the same shallow things these men go abroad to find. What hypocrisy. It's not about typical people at all and usually not even about the women. It's about the men...and agencies like yours exploit that. Don't get me wrong, every man has the right to search for happiness wherever he wants but in my opinion no self respecting one would pay to meet a woman anymore than he'd pay for a hooker, because the reasoning behind both isn't very far apart.

If I had to deal with an agency I'd deal with Jack or you but, in the grand scheme of things, the business you're in is not something most people look upon with favor. The very fact there are so many disputes among agencies (not to mention how many are downright scam operations) leads to their justifable reputation. Even if all were honest the perception among the "normal" folk out there wouldn't change and anyone without bias would clearly see why.

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Bruno Thoumsin
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to No sale...., posted by LP on Jan 16, 2005

All you say is almost true... and for FSU woman, it is the same... several FSU woman are married FSu man. Only some little % from the woman who are alone, use service of MOB... usual FSU woman wish stay in her own country and marry a man from own country.

But if MOB exist it is because some man ask so service... Why ? Because they wish try something other... Why take american man holliday in other country when they can find all in USA ?...

Yes, russian woman are not the same that western woman... they have other quality but they have other problem too... it is only a personal choice of the man...

But the problem of pay for woman is a big problem... some man because they have pay some service of agency think that the woman is his own propriety... that they have all the right...

Don't forget, you don't pay for the woman, you pay for the service of agency... you pay because you have wish find a woman far from your country...

And same with usual woman from your own country, you need to pay... who work when american woman stay home for keep the 4 children... the american man... Hooker are more cheap but they don't love you, you have no children with her, they don't clean your dirty clothes...

Some man need to respect more the woman, not only these from FSU but all the woman... man say that woman are expensive... it is true but how much will you pay if the woman was not with you ( a hooker each night for physical pleasure, laundry for clothes, restaurent for eat, ... )... in some way, we can say that woman are very bad pay for the work at home... and maybe, you can spare money when you marry a woman... but only when you marry the good one... and find the good one is the real problem, not the money, not because she is from other country...

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khersongirls
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to No sale...., posted by LP on Jan 16, 2005

LP
I would be the first to agree that Jack and My agency are in the minority. I know of less only a handful of agencies that I could recommend.  It this handful that I am trying to get the word out about.  Jack agency is already listed at www.honestmarriageagencies.com.  I just trying to find a few more stars out there.

thanks for the feedback.

Kevin Hayes.

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JohnL
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to honest agency listing (need more agencie..., posted by khersongirls on Jan 15, 2005

Hey Bloke

Get real, we didnt all fall down with the last shower of rain.

Below is what I have viewed on your Agency listings;

Prices and Services available:

Address available: No
Phone number available: No
Accepts letters: Yes (7.00$)
Accepts gifts: Yes
Available for meetings: Yes
Available for chat: Yes (15.00$)
Available for interview: Yes (20.00$)


C'Mon, my *Piggy Bank* has just spat the dummy, BIG time. What a joke BLOKE.

Even *Ole JB* is probably laying back in his swag and LHGO !!! :-)

I'll just keep looki'n.    ;-(        Elsewhere.

Good Luck !

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khersongirls
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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: honest agency listing (need more age..., posted by JohnL on Jan 16, 2005

John
I don't fully understand what you are refering too. For starters this thread was about the site www.honestmarriageagencies.com not khersongirls.com

It looks like you copied on of the screens from a single lady profile.  Please read our policy page at www.khersongirls.com I will go over each item you posted for you.

Ladies Address: Not all ladies allow there addresss to be given out to strangers. If ladies address = No you must contact the office and have us ask the lady for permission to release her address prior to recieving it. The lady will look over your profile and make the decision. Not the office. We give our ladies the same rights as we give our clients.

Phone Numbers: Same as addresses.

Letters. Two options pay $7.00 or $50 a month for unlimited letters to all ladies. Keep in mind that letter from ladies are Free and all Translations are Free.

Gifts: Yes/No depending if she is available. Some ladies do not want anything.

Meetings: Let you know if she is in town or avaiable. When a lady get engaged or is out of town we set this to NO.

Chat: Free chat is available on the weekends. Private chat is $15hr and that include Video or Phone and includes a translator.

Interview: A 1 hour interview with the lady about the client including photo and questionaire. This is a cheap way to find out if the lady is really interested before you make a trip.

*** Enough about khersongirls.

What this thread is about is promoting other honest agencies. I have a site available to promote any honest agency. It is a free site, No paid or accepted advertisement. Just a way to spread the word about which agencies are honest.

Thanks for the reply.

Kevin Hayes

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tim360z
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: honest agency listing (need more age..., posted by JohnL on Jan 16, 2005

You are pickin' on the wrong guy.  Kevin is one of the few ethical and legitimate guys with an agency.
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Jack
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2005, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: honest agency listing (need more age..., posted by JohnL on Jan 16, 2005

JohnL, do you even know what your talking about?

JohnL, show me ONE client who has used KhersonGirls who will say they were scammed, were cheated?  With the exception of one client, Tommy, who married a lady he was introduced to by Kevin and his agency, their is NOT one. When you have taken care of thousands of clients your always going to have one guy out their who is nut's, not referring to you in that statement Bloke, but am referring to this guy Tommy.  I know what it's like to have a happy/unhappy client. To date I have one current or former client who is unhappy with me and my services but at one time he recommended me, praised me. But when you disagree with someone then all of a sudden you are a bad guy and all those good things once said earlier about you were really not true. Tommy at one time also praised Kevin and his service. Which as a good lawyer would respond, "Are you lying to me now or were you lying to me then".  JohnL, show me one client, other than Tommy (who is happily married to a woman Kevin helped introduce him to) who is not happy with his services?  I bet you can't do it. And if you can, I doubt you can show me more than one. And from thousands of clients, in this industry, that is quite a feat. The agency that this Tommy guy is now aligned with, this Get Married Now, does some things I consider very questionable. A client of mine who was dealing with them recently said they had several beautiful ladies who were interested in him, and oh they wrote him such nice lovely letters. They knew in mid and late November he was arriving into Kherson the last week of December and these lovelies were all so excited to see him. The lady manager of this agency in Kherson told the client we have your flat, we will greet you at train station, we have your interpreter, when the client told her, "I already have all that arranged. I already have my flat, interpreter, someone greeting me at the train station".  What she said, oh no, you must use our interpreters!  He told her that was not going to happen. Ok, then if you want to meet these ladies you must send me $200 by Western Union. When my client asked me about that I just laughed and told him we wouldn't be sending her $200. I told him all those beautiful ladies writing him were really not writing him but when we got to Kherson we would go to their office and pay for any meeting with these same beauties that could be arranged. So the client get's to Kherson and calls the office of this Get Married Now and the manager is gone, on vacation. They can have no meetings. Although I am not sure, the client seems to think the manager's office was her flat and she was on vacation. So I asked the client how they were going to be able to arrange all those meetings with those beauties if the manager was out of town at this time? And now that he was in town, now he would like to meet those same beauties who one month earlier were so interested in him. Surely their must be an assistant manager who could arrange these meetings. Nope, didn't happen. Now all these beauties were suddenly not available.

It seems the agencies who do all they can to discourage scam, to expose scam agencies, to expose scammers, are said to be bad agencies, but by people who you cannot verify their stories! And why? Because they are NOT real, they are really scam agency owners or scammers in disguise. Why is it people who say bad things about good agencies do not leave a real verifiable e-mail address or phone number? Bloke JohnL, because they ain't real!!!

It's the same reason I will not post a scammer without TWO verifiable e-mail addresses, I want you and I to be able to contact those two, or three or four or five guys and be able to talk to them about this so called scammer.  These so called reports on KhersonGirls, do they leave a real e-mail address, phone number, can you or I call them? The answer is NO bloke.

JohnL, your going to just look elsewhere? Why? What do you have against honest agencies?  Ok, maybe you don't like the way Kevin run's his agency, but don't run him down with your cheap statements "my piggy bank has just spat the dummy". John, agency owners have different ways of running their agencies. You or I can't tell Kevin how to run his agency. You and Kevin can't tell me how to run my agency. The three of us can't tell Anastasiascamweb how to run their agency. Honest agencies are in the minority in this industry John. You don't need to be taking cheap shots at them because you don't like what they charge for a meeting or if some agencies sell addresses or not. I know beyond a reason of a doubt that Kevin is honest and ethical. I recommend him to clients, would I do that if I were not sure of his integerity? I assure you i would not. Kevin and I do NOT run our business's alike. I sell addresses, I do not want to be in the middle of two individuals communicating, I want to help these two to be able to communicate but not be in the middle. Their are MANY agencies who do not sell the ladies addresses, this is the model they have chosen and this does not make the agency bad. In Kevin's case he has probably the best agency in the industry with the least number of scammers. From a percentage point of view I am certain their is not one agency in the industry who has less scammers than Kevin and it is a direct result in how he does chooses to run his business.

When you run an agency in this industry and your agency has the highest percentage of good girls, then your doing something right JohnL.

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