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Author Topic: Danger of using ATM card in Ukraine  (Read 17968 times)
T P Cornholio
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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Don't understand, posted by Lynn on Jun 18, 2004

"Did you get a good laugh when all private property rights were taken away by executive decree in 1933?  You do not own anything.  Not even your person.  You are a natural resource plegded to the corporation."

-- Uh, please inform me as to which corporation, I would like to put in for a raise.

"And the sad part is that you are probably too pompous to admit that you don't know everything and do some research."  

-- Now, now, such a pompus statement of illogic from you?


-- Money has NEVER had intrinsic value, it is ALWAYS a perceived value, such as the classic case with Dutch tulips (and today with electrons/photons).  Gold, diamonds, or any product/resource is only as valuable as people care to make it or impart to it.  For example, diamonds are by no means a short-supply resource nor should they be very expensive (albeit a relative term), diamonds can be picked from the ground in certain areas of Africa, however the diamond companies lobbied for laws that make it illegal to pick-up a diamond laying (lying??) on the ground (yes, you can be arrested).  Why?  In order to maintain upward pressure on diamond prices, and their hold on the market.  These same diamond companies came up with clever marketing such as "a diamond is a girls best friend", and nowadays are trying to push the 3rd wedding/engagement ring as very "fashionable."  The "desire" for, and thus cost of, diamonds today is much greater (above inflation) than they were prior to WWII.

Don't even try mixing my statement and comparing some two-bit book to the US Constitution -- you are engaging in a basic logical fallacy.

I reinterate -- the entire whining concept of the MOMS book is based upon returning to the gold standard, and how society has become more debased without it.  Sure, and whenever I wash my car it rains the next day.

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Lynn
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Are you a wacko socialist?, posted by T P Cornholio on Jun 18, 2004

[This message has been edited by Lynn]

The corporation is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and you my friend are a sub-chapter of that corp. What a little proof???

"Money has NEVER had intrinsic value, it is ALWAYS a perceived value"

Is that a fact? Well if you care to study a bit you will find that the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 states amoung it's purposes that it was to: provide for a elastic currency (rubber money?) and to provide a means for "re-discounting" commercial paper (my what could that mean?).

The Constitution declares that money is to be gold or silver or backed by same. Did they perceive precious metal to have value or did it? One ounce of gold or silver will buy today just as much as it would in the time of the Christ, or 215 years ago, or 91 years ago (when the FR came into being), or 50 years ago, or 5 years ago, or last week. According to the American Institute for Economic Research; it takes $18.91 to buy the same ammount of goods, right now, that $1.00 would have bought in 1913. Wow, and guess when AIER was started-----1933, what a coincidence. What's your perception on that?

 Socialist? Where in your wildest dreams could you come up with that?

"Your failure to be informed does not make me a wacko."

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T P Cornholio
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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Not hardly..., posted by Lynn on Jun 18, 2004

Your baiting tactics and sorryful arguments are noted, but your hook remains empty.

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Lynn
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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to your hook remains empty, posted by T P Cornholio on Jun 22, 2004

....because you either: (a) know I'm right (b)you're afraid of the truth (c) you are too comfortably numb to notice or care.

 "baiting tactics and sorryful arguments"

Is that what the truth is?HuhHuh??

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Jack
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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Probably......., posted by Lynn on Jun 22, 2004

Hey guys, what do you think about Russian women?  Aren't they just awesome!
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Lynn
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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Russian women, posted by Jack on Jun 22, 2004

Ya do got a point there. I guess I shouldn't have made the original comment. I just found it to be funny. Things do get off on a tangent sometimes.
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John K
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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Danger of using ATM card in Ukraine, posted by Albert on Jun 17, 2004

A number of years back, some guys installed an ATM machine in the middle of the mall.  It never worked, and if a person tried to use it, it gave an error message.  They came in a week later and pulled it out.  Later that month, anyone who had tried the ATM found their bank accounts getting cleaned out.  It was on 60 minutes.

It's an old scam that apparently now has migrated to newer countries...

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TwoBitBandit
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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Danger of using ATM card in Ukraine, posted by Albert on Jun 17, 2004

Albert, I've heard of this scam.

The place I read about it recommended that you only use your ATM cards in large banks and in major hotels.

They said that if you use your card in random ATM machines on the street, you are more likely to be hit by this scam.

Where did you use your card, Albert?  Do you recall?  I'm curious if what I read was good advice or not.

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Albert
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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2004, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Where did you use your card?, posted by TwoBitBandit on Jun 17, 2004

I only used my card in lobbies of large banks and large hotels.  So that doesn't safeguard anything.
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