Emergency!!!!! I need advice now!!!!!!!!!!

[Dan]

... in response to Or of course YOU could shut up and not r..., posted by Oscar on Dec 2, 2002

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[tim360z]

... in response to Anyone responding to Davids post is bein..., posted by Oscar on Dec 2, 2002

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[MtMav]

... in response to Anyone responding to Davids post is bein..., posted by Oscar on Dec 2, 2002

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[LP]

... in response to Anyone responding to Davids post is bein..., posted by Oscar on Dec 2, 2002

...but as I said before, I know things about this guy for sure. I mean concrete USDA Grade A for sure. Otherewise, I'm going on Ken's judgment that this latest is true. But I'll admit, it would not be beyond him from my understanding of his "problem".

No matter, my involvement with it is finished.

[LP]

... in response to Emergency!!!!!  I need advice now!!!!!!!..., posted by John LV on Dec 1, 2002

[This message has been edited by LP]

...David, you're not listening. The last guy I know who was in this identical sitation (but with a Ukrainian girl) is dead now, gunned down by the local law. He was far more normal than you are but he cracked anyway. The point is, she's still here and he's gone forever. Wise up.

You're not involved in a divorce proceeding right now, you're dealing solely with a domestic dispute and you must focus only on that. Don't screw it up because it'll come back to haunt you. You're making decisions based on emotion, the worst thing you can do right now. Frankly, I'm about ready to give up on you. I will tell you one thing: if LE comes to your house for any reason related to a domestic dispute, you're the one who'll be leaving that apartment. If you touch her you *will* go to jail. Even if you don't, you will likely be asked to leave.

If she gets a protective order against you, you need to understand there are ramificatons far beyond that order. For example, federal law will prohibit you from owing any firearms for 10 years and you must surrender any you now have. This is only one example, there is a whole peck of recent federal legislation relating to domestic violence and the man loses in every situation no matter which state he's in. Focus on avoiding a confrontation that will only hurt you down the road.

You have two choices. One is to lock her out, not a good idea but not the worst thing you can do. The other, the most rational choice, is to take what you can of the property you owned before the union and bug out. Leave the other stuff alone, *especially* the stuff she had before you married her. I suggest you leave the community property. But screw with "her" stuff and you'll be paying for it later.

Community property is an issue for later on. All it means is she has no claim to what was your's before you married her and she has the same right for her stuff. It *does not* mean you should abscound with what is aquired after the marriage. Thats the entire point of CP, the stuff aquired after the marriage belongs to you both and it'll be decided who gets that CP in the divorce proceedings, usually 50/50. Understand? It doesn't mean you can just take those assets and I'd recommend against it for now. (I would still stop the joint credit cards and protect your bank account however.)

The police can do nothing to help but call them if you want. At least they will know whats happening. They are not in the business of resolving these things, they are *only* in the business of enforcing law. Trust me, the law does not favor the man in any domestic dispute. Listen to the cops at your own risk, they're only interest is avoiding a confrontation involving them.

I repeat: best thing to do is leave. Do not allow yourself to be put in any position where she can claim you intimdated her in any way. Forget the INS abuse issue for now, leave to avoid near future problems that would happen even if she wasn't an "MOB". Do not confront her, attempt to reason with her, stalk her, or contact this Chris guy again. If he has half a brain he'll distance himslef from this entire thing, at least for awhile. Just leave and seek legal advice tommorow morning.

You'll get your day in court, your time will come. But it's NOT NOW. Everything you do now will affect what happens in the future. Take your basic belongings and leave everything else. Don't worry about it, she's not going anywhere and you have the advantage of knowing the system while she does not. She's ignorant, she doesn't understand she will be held accountable down the road.

So far everything is in your favor. Trust me, her time will come in the future *if* you remain calm and choke back what you feel like doing now. You are taking the wrong path with all this emotional crap, it's the last time I'm gonna tell you.

[JohnL]

... in response to Sigh....., posted by LP on Dec 2, 2002

..... at last some common sense, if this saga is for real; why does'nt everyone think with a bit of calmness now and again LP?

I'll sit in the @rse end with you at the wheel anytime Mate. After all, like the Irishman said "I've never heard of the thing backing into a mountain yet"!

Summer is here, and the tops of those flowering gum trees are gett'n easier to see every day now.  LOL

Sort E'm out Digger!

[yoe]

... in response to Sigh....., posted by LP on Dec 2, 2002

lp this guy has not the capacity for this type of behavior. He is destined to blow it. If he was rational which he never has been, he would not be here in the first place. His story is not unfamiliar. If truth be know the girl feels isolated, scared of dave and has no other option but to find some solace-even if it be with another man. You know these RW are now rookies. Like my wife says, "others of the world could never survive Russian life". I am not saying it is right but it could just be. Dave is crazy and is acting crazy now. He is destined to either kill himself or be killed or jailed before this is over. If you have any decency you would go to him and let him live at your house until he gets it together!!
Joe

[MtMav]

... in response to from your lips......., posted by yoe on Dec 2, 2002

Hey Moe, you wrote........."He (Dave)is destined to either kill himself (as in kill someone) or be killed or jailed before this is over" Then you offer LP the following recommendation/advice: "If you (LP) have any decency you would go to him and LET HIM LIVE IN YOUR HOUSE until he (David) gets it together." Uhh? That's just great advice for LP! I'm "certain" LP will have a potential killer, in your words, move in today! Please think about what you're writing.

[Rags]

... in response to Uhh???, posted by MtMav on Dec 2, 2002

[LP]

... in response to from your lips......., posted by yoe on Dec 2, 2002

..live with me?? *Now* who's talkin crazy? ;-)

Yeah, Davey's in deep doo-doo now but I figured I'd make one last effort anyway. I'm not gonna beat on him (it just doesn't feel right to me) so I only have the choices of ignoring his plight or offering a few tips. I choose to  the latter, but now I've done all I can. You could lighten up on him a bit. There are no guarantees ya know, even in the Land of Joe.

As I've said, I don't doubt for a minute that he's had a very big hand in this. After all, we all saw it coming. But her running around with another guy touches a nerve with me and she should answer for that. Frankly, I'm tired of all this BS too. I've seen so many of these things go sour in this same exact way that I simply can't understand these deals being worth the risk.

Other than youth and beauty (transient attributes to be sure), it's difficult to convice me that these woman are *that* much better than any others. So much to even go thru the hassle of writing, meeting and immigration, let alone something like this. (lol, this is after I did it.) It just doesn't measure up to the risks in my opinion, based on my experience with both A/W and FSU/W. Of course, for those socially challenged it seems like a panacea, but thats an argument for another day I suppose.

Time for me to disappear for a few weeks anyway, some of us have to work for a livin ya know. ;-)

[yoe]

... in response to Let him...., posted by LP on Dec 2, 2002

and I did get a laugh. But I think we both need to get back to reality. Good Luck and peace at ya. See ya next year.
Joe

[John LV]

... in response to Emergency!!!!!  I need advice now!!!!!!!..., posted by John LV on Dec 1, 2002

I just talked with the police, they informed me that this is a community property state, what is hers is mine, and whats mine is hers, I can take anything I want and there isn't a thing she can do about it.

She is going to learn the hardest lesson of her life, she will have no clothes, no car, no money, and when I get done talking to her boyfriend, no boyfriend either. The rent won't be paid at the apartment, and in a month or so, she will get locked out by the manager.

She is going back to Russia one way or another, unless she goes and becomes a hooker, which wouldn't surprise me at this point.

May God never allow any of you to find a girl like this, I would not wish this situation on my worst enemy.

I'm very sorry it has come to this, I have lots more packing to do, please wish me luck guys.

[MtMav]

... in response to Re: Emergency!!!!!  I need advice now!!!..., posted by John LV on Dec 2, 2002

N/T

[yoe]

... in response to Emergency!!!!!  I need advice now!!!!!!!..., posted by John LV on Dec 1, 2002

have sex with her, get a new apartment tomorrow, count your blessings and let her go. You will get gambler's disease and you will never win-cut bait and run.
ITENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!HUH? HAHAHAHA! THIS IS LIFE AT IT'S FINEST!
Joe

[MtMav]

... in response to instant karma's gonna get ya........, posted by yoe on Dec 2, 2002

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Goofiness at it's best! If you were accused of being goofy, there is more than enough self incriminating evidence to convict you by a jury of your peers!