Update: Need advice

[John LV]

... in response to clean break is best, posted by KenC on Dec 1, 2002

I know your right Ken, I just needed to hear it from someone else, but I know your right.

Don't you find it strange that a person can be like she is? I have been out with lots of girls in my 35 years, and I have met girls who had done every guy within a 30 mile radius, but never in my life have I met a girl with this kind of nerve, it amazes me, sickens me too, but amazes me nonetheless.

I can only wonder how out of all the girls I could have met, I had to meet this one? I don't think I could have done much worse.

But I guess I should have known when we were in Prague together and we were standing at the bank teller together, a guy came up from behind us and she saw him and stepped away from me as if she were not with me, I thought that was odd. Or when we were walking along in Prague and a good looking guy (Russian) was standing against the wall and I saw her give a big smile to him. Or when she walked out of the Bartending and Cocktail waitress school I sent her through, another good looking guy walked out too and she smiled at him.

Boy have I been blinded for so long, what a fool I have been, and yes hindsight has 20/20 vision for sure.

Thanks Ken.

[KenC]

... in response to Re: clean break is best, posted by John LV on Dec 1, 2002

David,
Sorry to say, but your's is not a unique position at all.  Women have been playing men from the beginning of time.  It is the natural order of things.  They have something we want (sex) and they know how to advertise it.  It is the bait to get what they want from us (food and shelter).  I know this is a rather simplistic explanation and in no way PC, but that is what it is all about.  Now the scenareo gets a tad bit more complicated when you add emotions into the mix and women's financial opportunities now available.
Your wife is not unusual in any way.  Your blindness to her undesirable traits is also not unusual.  A "fool in love" and "love is blind" are in no way new concepts.  Move on and learn from your mistakes.  Best of luck.
KenC

[John LV]

... in response to it isn't strange or even unusual, posted by KenC on Dec 1, 2002

Thanks again Ken,

Isn't it amazing how some people would stick there foots in their mouths by saying I'm not telling the truth?

I mean, seriously, who could make up such a bizare story? Certainly not me, and if I could, I would start writing Fiction books since I could probably do very well at it.

I mean, if you're going to make up stories, why not make them a bit more believable? Even I myself don't believe my story, I'm still waiting to wake up from this long nightmare.

I have been doing a lot of thinking of late, and I can now see so many of the warning signs, next time I should be able to do much better, at least I hope so.

I hate moving, and moving from SD to LV was a real pain, now I must move again to another place here in LV, but at least this time, once I do, I can have some peace for once.

Thanks again Ken, I'll give you my number when I get one again, and I'll call you when my phone gets hooked up.

Take care and enjoy your Sunday.

[yoe]

... in response to Re: it isn't strange or even unusual, posted by John LV on Dec 1, 2002

some go round and round and some just run off the proverbial cliff-and many just sit pickin their seat! Like Mave. For some reason Dave you have captured the hearts of some on the board. If I was you, and I am not, I would find that part of me. The funny thing is this girl is probably more like you than you know. My wife is a real bytch but she so am I. haha
So if you have half the insight you clame-begin with self reflection. Then pump up the Zoloft, bring your girl in, have sex like monkeys, collect the rent. If you lucky she will be into 'swinging'. You will not get married again and the institution is only for those who wish to retire from ultimate passion. So take your crazy azz to her bed and have a blast for a while. But, be objective and do not apply fetters. If you want to be a true genius you have to experience as many of life's offerings. Yes people are going to think this is crazy, but every person that they have admired or called hero has done worse. You people in public office, you leaders, your superstars all are 'nontraditional'. I have become domesticated-for now. With a few years I will be sitting Italy writing more diatribe having young girls give me massages-and yes my wife will be there.
It is you life-live it.
Joe

[MtMav]

... in response to there are various forms of misdirection...., posted by yoe on Dec 1, 2002

NT

[yoe]

... in response to Flakey, Goofy, pure flakiness! N/T, posted by MtMav on Dec 1, 2002

nt

[John LV]

... in response to there are various forms of misdirection...., posted by yoe on Dec 1, 2002

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;  
   
   2Pe 2:5   And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;  
   
   2Pe 2:6   And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned [them] with an overthrow, making [them] an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;  
   
   2Pe 2:7   And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:  
   
   2Pe 2:8   (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds;)  
   
   2Pe 2:9   The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:  
   
   2Pe 2:10   But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous [are they], selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.  
   
   2Pe 2:11   Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.  
   
   2Pe 2:12   But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;  
   
   2Pe 2:13   And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, [as] they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots [they are] and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;  
   
   2Pe 2:14   Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:  
   
   2Pe 2:15   Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam [the son] of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;  
   
   2Pe 2:16   But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.  
   
   2Pe 2:17   These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.  
   
   2Pe 2:18   For when they speak great swelling [words] of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, [through much] wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.  
   
   2Pe 2:19   While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.  
   
   2Pe 2:20   For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.  
   
   2Pe 2:21   For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.  
   
   2Pe 2:22   But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.  

I shall pray for you my friend, turn from the sins of this world, do not get caught up into this sexual perversion, I know its difficult, but with God and his son Jesus Christ, all things are possible. We must lift each other up, not pull each other down. We all sin, and that is why you must ask forgiveness from those sins.

And I myself must remember what Jesus said, "Cast not your pearls before swine, lest they be trampled upon".

No more pearls for my current wife, they are dirty enough as they stand now.

David

[yoe]

... in response to Re: there are various forms of misdirect..., posted by John LV on Dec 1, 2002

I am not Christian. I believe in one God not psuedowannabegods. I also do not buy into dogma from self interest groups called religion. If God can create a universe, I am sure she can talk to me without the influence of some self righteous mediator. Sorry!
Joe

[WmGo]

... in response to live and let die 'paul mccartney' ...., posted by yoe on Dec 1, 2002

Applying your own logic, you are basically claiming either deity or special revelation. Because neither is true you are essentially creating God in *your* own image.

Talk about "pseudowannabegods", look in the mirror.

[yoe]

... in response to Re: live and let die .., posted by WmGo on Dec 1, 2002

the very first book God says, Man is now like "US" meaning the Gods......or as you may claim the trinity. So again read your scripture. I did not make the rules I just live by them-try it you may like it.
Joe

[WmGo]

... in response to huh exuse my but in your Bible/////, posted by yoe on Dec 2, 2002

Like Lucifer you misrepresent the Scriptures.

Your reference is to Gen 1:26. That verse does not say what you claim. On the contrary, that verse is universally  interpereted by all major Protestant denominations, the Catholic church and the Eastern Orthodox church as a conversation between the three Persons of the Holy Trintiy. It speaks of God's decision to create man in *His* own image: a being possessing three parts: body, mind (soul) and spirit.

Thanks for revealing who you really are. It comes as no  surprise.

[Jack]

... in response to huh exuse my but in your Bible/////, posted by yoe on Dec 2, 2002

Yoe, I think there is not one person who contributes to this board who lives the life God had intended for us to live as much as WmGo does.

For you to suggest William to try to live by the scripture, he might like it, I can assure you he does and he loves it!

[John LV]

... in response to live and let die 'paul mccartney' ...., posted by yoe on Dec 1, 2002

She?

Boy are you lost my friend, I was once lost as you, but God (He) came into my room and saved me from evil, spoke to me, leaned over me, and took away my fear.

Again, I will pray for you, for that is what Jesus has called us to do.

[yoe]

... in response to Re: live and let die 'paul mccartney' ....., posted by John LV on Dec 1, 2002

I am actually an ordained minister. I do have the authority to forgive! But thanks anyway. I have been prayed for by the best. Ironic how those who are most needy feel the need to pray for others to feel worthy.
Joe

[WmGo]

... in response to pray for yourself my brother, you need i..., posted by yoe on Dec 1, 2002

"I am actually an ordained minister"

And you claim David is more in need of help than you?

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

P.S. Only God The Holy Trintiy has the power to forgive.