Trip Report -- Russia in November (Long)

[Charles]

... in response to Trip Report --  Russia in November (Long..., posted by Ryan on Nov 25, 2002

Sounds like a great trip so far, Ryan.  Very similar to my experience in how the girl reacted to money and how the relationship developed.  Hope its going well!

[Quick Fix]

... in response to Re: Trip Report --  Russia in November (..., posted by Charles on Nov 25, 2002

is it just me or does this all sound like a crock of sheet??
I doubt very much this bogus "story"

[Jack]

... in response to Re: Re: Trip Report --  Russia in Novemb..., posted by Quick Fix on Nov 25, 2002

Quick Fix, it's all real.

Ryan is our resident,... our resident,.. well, not sure exactly what word I am looking for here but many of us have kind of taken him under our wings in trying to help him out.

We used to call him our resident dummy but he would too often show us his smarter, more tender side, so we, for the most part, stopped considering him our resident dummy (now that title is reserved for me, right spyke and claire!). Ryan is very likeable but then does some crazy, stupid things, things are teenage son's or daughter would do. You don't stop loving them, you just shake your head. Same with Ryan, we don't stop loving him, but he has, at least me, shaking my head now.

Of course I, and I think many here, wish him the best.

[Quick Fix]

... in response to Take it easy now, posted by Jack on Nov 25, 2002

Sorry Jack, but this "story" doesn't pass the smell test. Way too many holes in it. Surprised a vet like you swallowed this horsesheet.

[Jack]

... in response to Re: Take it easy now, posted by Quick Fix on Nov 26, 2002

if it were not so funny, I would be crying!

Quick Fix, Ryan is real, Ryan made this trip, his second. Ryan met his second ever Russian lady on this trip and he is convienced he is in love. You must never forget Quick Fix that many walks with each other to the local drug stores will bring two people together.

I have tried in several messages and phone conversations to help Ryan to meet many ladies. Ryan does not want to meet several ladies, he wants to meet one woman at a time, to write one woman at a time. There are many men like this Quick Fix who prefer to meet only one woman at a time, to correspond with one woman 5000 miles away and meet her some 6 to 8 months later. Ryan is one of these guys.

Now, if you want to read a story that you swear is not true, has a lot of holes in it, looks funny, and could fool a vet, a story YOU would say is not true, but IS, then I suggest you go back and read Ryan's "true" trip report!

[Quick Fix]

... in response to It is so true that...., posted by Jack on Nov 26, 2002

I have no doubt that Ryan is a real person and I have no doubt that he is over there in Russia.
The rest of the letter reads, at least to me, as someone who is trying to justify his way of doing things.
I have been to Russia many times myself and I have met many girls families and I have never been witness to anyone handling himself like her father and also the way his girl spent all this money with no concern to re-imbursements until the end. Even if she was head or heels in love with Ryan, financially speaking she would not be able to accomplish all that spending. Unless daddy is a mafia chief, it ain't happening,,,,,,,sorry.
The only place he will be meeting this girl in May will be in his dreams ( or maybe St.Pete's Florida)

[Jack]

... in response to Re: It is so true that...., posted by Quick Fix on Nov 26, 2002

Quick Fix,

 Of course the letter reads as someone who is justifying his way of doing things. Most of us write that way. The  happily married man who went the 'write one, visit one'  route is going to write and comment in such ways that justifies his needs where as the happily married guys who were fortunate to have meet several Russian ladies before making there choice, are going to recommend and speak highly of meeting more than one or two ladies before making such an important life choice.  The man who is happily married to a Russian woman with an age difference of  7 years is going to recommend and advise of smaller age difference's just as the guy who is 27 years older than his child bride will say any age is possible. Ryan believes in his heart today it is true love. Nothing anyone says on this discussion board is going to change these feelings and they shouldn't. Ryan is very open with what he is doing and shares much with his P-L family because he knows he will get a great deal of good advice although he will have to read thru all the B.S. that will come along with it.

 Quick Fix, as someone like yourself who has been to Russia several times and met many ladies, I for one am somewhat shocked that you never saw any lady who would spend that type of money with no concern for re-imbursement until the end. I guess if you only met four or five ladies you may not have seen this, but surely if you got to see and know 40, 50 ladies for example, you should have seen this type of woman some 30 times. They really do exist Quick Fix, I am blessed to have met many such women.

  Russian family's and friends do pool there money for such important events. I can almost assure you that several individuals contributed to Ryan's lady having the money to get to Moscow. This is a common occurrence with many good Russian people and communities. I personally was glad to read some of these seemingly little things in Ryan's report.

[Quick Fix]

... in response to (*/*), posted by Jack on Nov 27, 2002

I never saw and met a lot more than 50 women. I have met hundreds. So has my best friend so was engaged twice and never came close to seeing it.
So I doubt it happens.
Happy Thanksgiving!!

[juio99]

... in response to (*/*), posted by Jack on Nov 27, 2002

Jack, your first paragraph is a very valuable bit of thinking.  I think it is a classic and you should repost as an original post so it doesn't get lost down here.

However, I must say that I really haven't experienced the situation where a lady was offering to put out some money up front.  Most just didn't seem to have zilch and, interestingly, the few that did earn considerably more than average were the ones who were most greedy about spending my money.

JR

[Ryan]

... in response to Re: It is so true that...., posted by Quick Fix on Nov 26, 2002

[This message has been edited by Ryan]

It is so funny reading your point of view.  I for one cannot believe it myself if I have not truly lived it.  Now I in no way feel I have to justify myself with you as I am simply writing the facts as they happened.  If you don't believe it then don't read it...  But for you feel that her father that smiled at me and shook my hand was strange?  You felt that a woman that works two jobs and makes approx. $100 U.S. a month while living at home spending little to no money can't afford spending maybe 5000 rubels on me?  Or that she can purchase all flight tickets and then I pay her back?  Look Russia is not the Ukraine these people have money they live real good with everything we have and from what I see without the need to worry about every little penny of their money like most of us here in the states do....

[KenC]

... in response to Re: Re: It is so true that...., posted by Ryan on Nov 27, 2002

Ryan,
You have to understand how some of these Russians work things out when they need money.  They have a little support group going when they need extra cash.  Family and friends are usually ready to step up with a short term loan on a moments notice.  Not for frivilous purchases,but important ones.  I wouldn't be surprised if she floated a little short term loan to cover your costs until you reimbursed her.  Of course, THAT too would be none of your business.  LOL.
KenC

[Ryan]

... in response to one thing, Ryan, posted by KenC on Nov 27, 2002

I agree and I am sure that is how it happened.  When we were going off to Moscow her mother asked her daughter if she needed some money.  She said no that she had enough, taking about 4000 rubels out of her pocket....

[Dan]

... in response to Take it easy now, posted by Jack on Nov 25, 2002

I'm busy enough with my own pre-teens. --smile--

Shaking My Head (also) in Denver,

- Dan

[LP]

... in response to He Can Be *Your* "Teenage Son"..., posted by Dan on Nov 25, 2002

...especially for a Texan ;-)  

There be some head shakin goin on here also, but not nearly as much as over those age related posts!

[KenC]

... in response to Well said. . ., posted by LP on Nov 25, 2002

LP,
Hell, those age related posts had ME shaking my head too!  There was a time here that the post would be skewed exactly opposite from what they were now.
KenC