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Author Topic: Yes...she was a major Red Flag...Part 3  (Read 20170 times)
Chris F
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« on: November 15, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
Well....the Russian woman who is "madly in love with me" wants me to help her out with the Visa and her airplane ticket to come here!! She is asking that I  send $840 dollars for the ticket plus $350 dollars for the Visa to Western Union and gave me the address!!

I am going to write her back and tell her that I have been writing to another woman who is also "in love" and tell her that this other lady  has the money for the airplane ticket and the Visa and she arrived today!!!!!......LOL.....
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thesearch
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NO
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Yes...she was a major Red Flag...Part 3, posted by Chris F on Nov 15, 2002

Just tell her you think that she is playing games. Why do anything else unless you want to play her alone to learn more/.
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wilmc
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Yes...she was a major Red Flag...Part 3, posted by Chris F on Nov 15, 2002

I am disturbed by some of the responses that I have read to your note.

To send a RW a phony Western Union number is not the conduct of a gentleman.  "Two wrongs do not make a right."

If you are convinced that she is a "scammer" you should tell her so and give her the opportunity to respond.  If you remain convinced than take the trouble to list her on a "Black List."

Do not indulge in some childish "revenge."  It is wrong.  What if in the end it were just a "misunderstanding."  How would you feel then? Pretty small I would bet.  

At the very least such conduct would reinforce the bad feeling that many people in the rest of the world have about America.
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Charles
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Yes...she was a major Red Flag...Par..., posted by wilmc on Nov 16, 2002

I respect the position you have taken, and have generally been concerned at how AM use this process to scam RW by never visiting, coming only for sex, and overall lack of seriousness.  However, I see nothing wrong with exposing scammers and minimizing it, although in this instance I think some more confirmation might be worthwhile.  The key to this process is trust, and the scammers on both sides of the lake need to think of how their actions undermine a process that involves a lot of trust.  I agree with you that such actions should not be taken out of revenge or to have some sort of malicious glee at the misfortune of others, but if such actions are calculated to create additional trust in the process, then they should be considered as an additional means to minimize scamming by RW of naive AM.
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wilmc
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Another View, posted by Charles on Nov 19, 2002

I appreciate your thoughtful response.

Concerning your suggestion that the phony WU number ploy may be an appropriate response to the potential "scammer" I must continue to disagree.

This MOB process is very risky, complex, expensive and frustrating for AM.  I can appreciate how badly an AM who thinks that he has been betrayed must feel, BUT.  

Unfortunately, how can we ever be absolutely certain that we are dealing with a scammer?  If we are wrong think of the harm we will have done.  Gosh, life for these women is tough enough in the FSU.

It is not the conduct of a gentleman, in my humble opinion.

"Do unto others as ................"
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BubbaGump
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Yes...she was a major Red Flag...Par..., posted by wilmc on Nov 16, 2002

Maybe the thing to do is reimburse her travel costs when she meets you at your hotel.  Make her show you that receipt.  Train and bus travel is not expensive.  I would try and talk the woman into staying in my hotel room to save me money.  You can always get a double bed.  I you piss Russian women off I can see them using that as an excuse to take advantage of foreign men for being dishonest.
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Dan
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Yes...she was a major Red Flag...Par..., posted by wilmc on Nov 16, 2002

We are hearing only one side to the 'argument' - with no possibility of learning more about the particulars.

Yet some seem to be promoting the outright 'hanging' of some person. Sheez - talk about judgemental.

- Dan
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wilmc
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Absolutely Correct . . ., posted by Dan on Nov 16, 2002

Thank you.  I was beginning to feel like a "voice in the wilderness."
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Zink
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Absolutely Correct . . ., posted by wilmc on Nov 16, 2002

You're not alone in your thinking. I've got no problem with doing what LP and his friend did to a proven scammer(got WU to refuse her more money). But I'm not much for playing foolish games with people. Sending her false numbers isn't likely to correct the problem. Any satisfaction you got for inconveniencing her wouldn't last long.
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Dan
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Absolutely Correct . . ., posted by wilmc on Nov 16, 2002

That the great majority of guys with the most experience on the board are silent on this topic.

Guys Like Lynn, WmGO, Jack, Ken W, DR and numerous others have not chimed in - or have been pretty moderate in their perspectives.

The newbies are the ones quickest to call for construction of the gallows.

- Dan
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KenC
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to And You Will Also Notice . . ., posted by Dan on Nov 16, 2002

Dan,
Trying to get revenge on an assumed scammer is much like a dog chasing his tail, lots of energy spent to no avail.  The "scammer paranoia" is alive and well on this forum.  Whether the girl in question is a scammer or just a girl with no pride, makes no difference.  The guy shouldn't want to be with either type.  He should just scratch her from his list and move on.  Spending any more time on her is the true crime here.  He should stay focused on his goal of finding a good woman and not try to correct or punish the "evil scammer".  
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I have this visual picture in my mind of a team of "Scam Busters" in uniforms much like the "Ghostbusters" team.  They could ride around in a retrofitted ambulance in Moscow or Kiev stopping and arresting all the evil scammers.  I think this could be as affective as sending out fake WU numbers.  LOL.
KenC
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Jski
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Scambusters, unite!, posted by KenC on Nov 17, 2002

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Dan
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Scambusters, unite!, posted by KenC on Nov 17, 2002

Who it might be out in front leading that brigade.

I agree with you Ken. That sort of vindictive behavior espoused by some is borne of a sad mixture of piety and insecurity. Life is too short - and this quest is too precious to spend time with petty revenge motives.

- Dan
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Oscar
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to An We Can Only Imagine . . ., posted by Dan on Nov 17, 2002

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KenC
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Why, sounds like a real live personal at..., posted by Oscar on Nov 17, 2002

n/t
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