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Author Topic: RW facing American reality  (Read 9122 times)
MikeC
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« on: August 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

This is a true story, I want to tell it here not because I want to complain to somebody about it, I just want to share my experience.
I am a RW wife. I studied English for 5 years at a University in Russia and graduated with honors. After getting my EAD I was looking for a job for about a month and finally got one as a receptionist at a medical center. It was something new for me, dealing with health insurances and making deposits, answering multi-line phones and sorting the mail, I was trying my best to learn it and thought I was doing better every day. The only thing that I couldn't do I couldn't be phony and I couldn't show a fake interest in my boss's private life that she was constantly talking about with the women in the office. It's not that I mind it I just felt that none of them were sincere. My boss was in her twenties the same as me, and recently got pregnant so they were talking about it every day and all day long.
I felt that my boss didn't like me because I wouldn't come running when she was showing the pictures of her ultrasound and that type of things. It probably meant disrespect to her.
Well I was still under my 90 days when they let me go, none of the nurses there could believe that and the reson for my dismissal was.............my accent. They couldn't find anything else, that was the only reason they could find, they said I was bright and intelligent and they were sure I'd soon find another job. They will also give me good references if my future employer calls them. However they can't give me a paper stating the reason for my dismissal, "this is not in the policy of the company".
P.S. If you are wondering how bad my accent is, I can tell you that most of the people who I met at that center aked me if I was English, Irish, Australian or German...
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wsbill
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to RW facing American reality, posted by MikeC on Aug 30, 2002

You haven't told us what you like to do,  I know of a married lady in Memphis who started from stratch a draperies/curtain business.... It helps if you know how to sew.  She's makes alot of money and doesn't have a boss to work under, except for the customers.  Who tell their friends and friends, who keep her very busy with alot of work.

She started out the first year slowly doing contract work for other shops, on a piece by piece work.  As she got more connections her small business took off.

Don't know how to sew...  Learn, some community colleges off this as a course.

Most of her customers are very well to do people.   The poorer people just go to Wal-Mart and get their curtains there.  But the richer clients have fancy homes and don't shop at WMT.  They believe in craftpersonship.

You'll never get rich working for someone else...   Plus, alot of this lady work is cash...

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BubbaGump
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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to RW facing American reality, posted by MikeC on Aug 30, 2002

Even though we think a clerical or receptionist job is not demanding, for a person without excellent command of the English language it would be a very tough job.  For example, someone calls up and has a different accent from what she understands and she has a problem comprehending.  Other examples: spelling of names, extra time required checking her spelling, a higher error rate because she is getting things mixed up, technical words not common in ordinary conversation, colloquialisms, understanding other foreign accents like spanish or chinese, plain old cultural differences, religion or social differences.  

I think people from other countries succeed best when the language skills required are fairly easy.  There are a lot of foreign engineers, but communication is a huge problem there when we're not looking at a schematic or software.

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BubbaGump
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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to RW facing American reality, posted by MikeC on Aug 30, 2002

When I was young I thought people were just fired for being incompetent but now I know better.  I think the majority of the time it is strictly personal between you and the boss.  I have worked well over 20 years and have been fired once and almost twice.  The irony is that both times it was after very successful completion of projects.  The one time I was fired our director said something really stupid in a meeting and I made fun what he said.  What a huge mistake that was.  90% of managers probably would have laughed it off but he was after me after that and created an excuse to fire me.  It completely changed my career and now I make twice as much money.  The second time I was almost fired, it was a large company and the vice president and personnel department stopped it because they said you can't be fired after a successful project.  My previous boss had given me very high ratings and the boss that wanted to fire me had already fired 3 people that year and had a few others quit.  That boss had a history of high turnover with the people under him but nothing was ever done about it. That is a very common situation.  

So basically, I'm not impressed favorably with managers and think maybe 25% (lowball number?) of them have no business being managers.  A whole lot of them are in their job because they were buddies with their boss and because of that, they won't be removed from their job anytime soon and you are screwed.  In a small office environment, it is more like a family and perhaps for that reason, things at work get even more personal.  Being able to do your job or even doing it well won't guarantee you'll keep that job,   especially when layoffs are so accepted in the US now.  A person has typically 10 jobs in their lifetime and you got 9 more to go.  Welcome to the great old USA!  Some things really suck don't they.  

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Del
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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Reality Check, posted by BubbaGump on Aug 31, 2002

where one is promoted to one's level of incompetence.
It's common since most organizations do not have the wisdom or compassion (and skills?) necessary to correct such situations.
More often than not, the person who is "in over his head" is aware of the fact, and uses many ruses/tactics to cover it.
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BubbaGump
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to It's called "The Peter Principle&qu..., posted by Del on Aug 31, 2002

That was true of both but especially of the second guy.  The more he spoke in meetings the more it was apparent.
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MikeC
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to RW facing American reality, posted by MikeC on Aug 30, 2002

Thank you for all your responses, both positive and negative. I wanted to know what people would think about my
situation.
I am on my way to a better career, a career I am really qualified for.
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Scaught
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to RW facing American reality, posted by MikeC on Aug 30, 2002

We have all experienced crap like this. It may be hard for you to accept what I am about to say, but in my experience it has always been true: The place you were working at is very unprofessionally run, your job performance is assessed according to whimsical criteria that cannot be put into print without making mature adults laugh, you are very intelligent and too good for that hell hole, and you should thank your lucky stars that your boss is letting you go and getting you out of that circus. Otherwise, you might be foolish enough to stay in a very uncomfortable situation.

Do whatever you want on the legal side (I personally wouldn't bother unless I just wanted them to admit a reason in writing for firing me-- and this would be just to embarrass them). Believe it or not, I bet if you didn't push them, you would get a positive reference which could be valuable in finding your next job. Rather, I would channel my energy into finding a better job with 20% higher pay, as a minimum. I always got better jobs after incidences like these, and you will, too.

Be patient. A much better opportunity/better match for your personality and job skills is out there for you. Trust me on this!

I have worked in a few places many years ago with complete idiots and when I tried to be friendly, I just got brain-dead reactions, if any. So sometimes even if you play the game and try to get along, it doesn't work. However, I have been lucky over the past ten years that I have worked with really great people with whom I have a lot in common.

I know you might have had great hopes in your first employment experience in this country. But we change jobs a lot, compared to people from other countries. There are lots of opportunities. Next time, don't see the job as a one-way street. See it as two-way. You need to prove yourself to them but the company must be a reasonably good match for you, too. There is something called corporate culture. It's different in every place. Perhaps one aspect of the culture at your last job indeed did involve you showing an interest in the boss. That may be what the workers do there as a matter of course.

When you find a new job, be immediately critical of the corporate culture regarding your personality, needs and wants. Everything must be mutually beneficial to a reasonable degree. Be choosier. Consider being the one-- yourself-- who leaves next time before the 90-day period (if there is one) and move on to greener pastures.

Trust me-- later you will see how lucky you are because you were free to take a much better job.

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Ryan
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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to RW facing American reality, posted by MikeC on Aug 30, 2002

Receptionists should have wonderful cheerful (Yes Fake salesperson like) personalities.  The other side-work that she was doing was just busy work it is really not important that she necessary did that well.  If she didn’t participate in any of the reindeer games then she was considered sort of a b!tch.  Receptionists are phony that in my opinion is what it’s all about greeting people!  Move on and get a job as a secretary for a man or something more in line with that.  RW should sort of stay away from AW at all costs in the workforce..  This is my take without so many word..  Other than that you are not getting the full story and or it’s just another one of the cultural difference things.
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Ryan
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« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: RW facing American reality, posted by Ryan on Aug 30, 2002

Excuse my writing, as it can be sort of harsh and to the point.  I didn’t read the original post well I thought you were a guy talking about your friend and not a RW using your husbands user name.

I am an architect and awhile back the office hired a RW.  She was an engineer and doing some cad drawings for us.  The office was paying her like nothing I even think she was working for practically nothing.  Anyway my point is this she came in and did her job well as possible she was a little frustrated at times and I would help her out.  The other women in the office never seemed to gravitate to her and NO she was not so beautiful that she was intimidating the other women she was even sort of smugly.  But anyway she had a couple women that she would small talk with but for the most part the other women never really took her in as a friend and I am not sure why I consider it a cultural difference thing that works out with time.  She invited all the women over to her house for lunch one afternoon and it was a nice gesture on her part the women went to her house and they all came back rather different and a little happier.  A few of the women were talking about the different food and not really liking that at all but for the most part they were all a little more comfortable.  It is just something about AW and RW that really takes time for each other to cultivate a really close friendship.  This RW finally quit working at the office and stayed home to have children.  She still stops in with her children to show them off and now that she is not in the office the women stand around her and talk and giggle and are friends.

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beattledog
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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to RW facing American reality, posted by MikeC on Aug 30, 2002

If she was on the probationary period, a comanpy can let the employee go for any reason and this reason does not have to be told to the employee. It is the law.

Beattledog

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BarryM
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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: RW facing American reality, posted by beattledog on Aug 30, 2002

In most states, there is a 90 day probationary period for a new direct hire. Unless there was blatant discrimination, such as offensive comments about sex, ethnicity, religion, etc. , there would not be any cause for a lawsuit. There may be some entitlement to unemployment compensation and/or some severence.

-blm

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Oscar
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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to RW facing American reality, posted by MikeC on Aug 30, 2002

Of course we are hearing only one side of this but if what you say is true, you should find an attorney immediately and sue.  If it is as blatant as you say, they have no leg to stand on!

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johnnydudeman
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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: RW facing American reality, posted by Oscar on Aug 30, 2002

"Find an attorney immediately and sue"Huh  That's pretty reactionary advice.  

She says she has already contacted the EEOC, which we know has jurisdiction over cases involving violations of Title VII (inter alia) of the Civil Rights Act, and we all know that an "employer" must have at least 15 full time employees to be considered an "employer" under Title VII, and we all know that, yes, it is an unlawful employment practice to discriminate (in this case) based on "national origin," and we all know that the EEOC will probably not have jursidiction over this case because of the "small office" size and because of the restrictive definition of "employer," and we all know that even if the EEOC does have jurisdiction it would be hard to prove discrimination based on "national origin" when they HIRED her knowing of her national origin (sounds pretty "equal opportunity" to me), and we all know the other option is to sue through a private attorney, and we all know that private attorneys will look at potential damages and potential monetary recovery when considering filing a lawsuit, and we all know that lawsuits can be costly, and we can all imagine what she was earning as a receptionist and what her monetary damages would be, and we can all imagine whether it is worth it to her and her attorney to pursue a speculative case and file a lawsuit with such small potential damages (and small attorney's fees at 40% of any recovery based on a contingency basis).  I don't know many attorneys who would take a case like that.  (They all seem like sharks to me.)  But go ahead with this advice...spend time looking for a lawyer rather than moving on and looking for a job.  It probably beats working.  And that seems to be becoming "the American reality" for some.

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Oscar
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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to reactionary advice, posted by johnnydudeman on Aug 30, 2002

If what she has said is TRUE, I would have no bad conscience whatever in hiring an attorney.  Especially with all the witnesses she said were shocked as well as her flawless work record.  If it was my wife, I would be VERY upset and I would get an attorney IF what she has said is true.  I can't believe some of the guys here saying "oh well, that's the way it goes"!  No way!

My 2 cents

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