Extending flame wars from other forums

[Dan]

... in response to Actually, it's been over 2 years now, posted by MarkInTx on Aug 22, 2002

It is clear that you feel deeply-affected by what LP wrote on this board. That - in itself - is quite telling.

It is equally clear that I was correct when I wrote in my previous message that it is a waste of my time to respond to you on the topic.

In return for my answering your questions, you resort to demeaning comments such as my "swooning" over LP. You also resort to mis-quoting me - I never said he had a "dazzling intellect" - that was YOUR words, not mine - though they are probably applicable.

Look ace - I am no-one's fool. I don't take anyone's comments here at face value and I put no more stock in the words of LP than I do in anyone else - UNTIL he has proven to me (and LP *has*) that he has more to offer than some others. The fact that you cannot see it - as I said - is your loss.

I honestly don't care if you see it or not. It just doesn't matter to me.

When you resort, however, to using my responses as a foil for your missives - it does, indeed, offend me. Particularly when you make the overt effort to be offensive.

I suggest you do a little self-examination and ask yourself why this whole issue is so important to you that you cannot let it go.

While you are at it - you may want to take a look at your definition of "success" and "failure." I don't buy YOUR definition.

Nor do I agree with your "summation" of LP. If you only knew.

Well - that's quite enough.

I neither plan to be the board apologist for LP - nor do I care to invest any more time and energy into the debate with you Mark.

While I find some value in some of your posts - frankly, this debate just is not worth my energy to keep it alive.

But I will look forward to your response - and I'll read it with amusement.

- Dan

[MarkInTx]

... in response to OK Mark - You Win (Happy Now?!?)  . . ., posted by Dan on Aug 22, 2002

"If I only knew..."

Oh yes... I am sure.. If I only knew THE TRUTH about LP, I am sure that I would happily renounce all of my posts, and beg him for autographed pictures so I could put them on my wall, and stare at them with wonder...

Yes, yes... That's right... LP... International Man of Mystery. Better than all of us. A superior intellect to mine, and almost everyone else this board (now that DavidSD is gone, anyway...)

So good that he was too good for any woman from the FSU.

So profound that I should spend my days pouring over his words of insult and pettiness to gain understanding and nirvana.

Yes, Dan... if I ONLY knew...

But, I don't... and I guess I never will.

My mind is just too small to understand "The Greatness that is LP..."

Now, to answer your question:

Why does LP bother me so much?

He doesn't.

However, when Greg, who seems like an intelligent man, and you -- who most of the time seems reasonable -- can't see him for what he obviously is... it is exasperating.

I don't give two figs for anything he says. Do you see me responding to one word "Mr. Magificent" writes? No. Because I don't care what he says. I know what he is.

I am just dismayed by the fact that reasonable men defend him. Not all, of course. Most have stayed mum.

But the reason I make a point of all of this is that there are a lot of lurkers out there who read this. And they would LIKE to post (some of them) but bullying tactics from jerks like LP keep them from doing it.

How do I know this? Because they write to me. I get emails all of the time from guys who want advice, but don't want to post questions on here because they don't want to wade through the attacks.

No one wants to be attacked just for looking for love.

And it is a loss to the whole board when guys like LP keep these well meaning men from posting.

Because, despite any disagreements we might have, there is one thing that we can agree on: LP isn't married to anyone from the FSU, isn't looking, and isn't going to be married to anyone from the FSU.

So why should he have a forum to spout his venom here?

Really, honestly... considering that he abandoned his pursuit: What the HELL is he even doing here?

The only reason he gets a forum is that guys like you and Greg keep the door open for him, and keep stroking his ego. Don't kid yourself, he eagerly reads every word written about him.

Why do you think he continues to post, even though he has told us many times: "That's it, I'm done with you all! No more posts from me!"

I've said it before -- he'll never leave as long as you guys stroke his ego.

He gains no value from the board, clearly, since he isn't involved with women from Eastern Europe.

Despite your thinkings to the contrary, he hasn't posted anything which actually contributes anything... at least not in a very long time...

But he stays here.

What does that tell you about him?

-Mark

PS: For your information, when I put words in quotes, I am not always quoting you! Sheesh! Get over yourself already. Sometimes I put words in "quotes" merely to signify sarcasm.

If I mean to quote you, I will put it like this:

You said: "I'll read it with amusement"

[Dan]

... in response to Deliriously happy , thanks . . ., posted by MarkInTx on Aug 22, 2002

Always satisfying to learn that I've helped someone become "deliriously happy."

As for our respective positions on the issue of LP - you have your opinion and I have mine. I assure you that; (a) I know him better than you do, and (b) nothing you say will change my opinion of him - just as I am sure you will not change based on my comments. So be it.

Classic case of an impasse - and we should agree to disagree.

Now as for your statement that I should "Get over" myself. That was yet another unnecessary comment seemingly borne of your admitted exasperation in this matter. I was simply responding to your use of quotations - and was ignorant of your unconventional application. I interpreted your use of those graphics in the fashion nearly any normal half-intelligent person somewhat familiar with the English language might interpret it. The fact that you *somehow* interpreted that to suggest that I was in any way acting out of (what was it Mark - piety?!? What exactly does "Get over yourself already" signify?!?) anything other than a direct and unimpassioned interpretation of WHAT YOU WROTE, is wrong. It might even suggest that you are guilty of the very act you seem to (sort of) accuse me of - that is, being awfully full of yourself (assuming I've interpreted that one correctly - did I Mark???).

Give it a rest.

- Dan

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Glad Of It Mark . . ., posted by Dan on Aug 22, 2002


I'm done discussing LP with you, Dan.

Full of myself? Hardly. I got over myself some time ago when I became a father and suddenly realized that not only did I not have all of the answers... I very often don't even have the questions...

I'll even go one step further, and prove that I am man enough to admit when I am wrong.

I thought you were a reasonable guy.

I was wrong...

[Dan]

... in response to Re: Glad Of It Mark . . ., posted by MarkInTx on Aug 22, 2002

I am, indeed, a reasonable guy Mark.

Look back at the litany of this thread to see where it became a runaway train. I was responding to someone else - and it was YOU that decided you hadn't had enough of an opportunity to castigate LP - and decided to use my comments as your foil.

You then decide to take a very personal swipe with each passing response - no matter that I suggested several times we just accept one another's different points of view.

Yes Mark - *someone* is clearly being unreasonable here. And it ain't me ace.

- Dan

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Yeah - That's Proof Alright . . ., posted by Dan on Aug 22, 2002

asd

[Dan]

... in response to I'm done             n/t, posted by MarkInTx on Aug 23, 2002

n/t

[LP]

... in response to Yeah - That's Proof Alright . . ., posted by Dan on Aug 22, 2002

......just leave it to me.

lol, "if you only knew"...truer words, eh?

I sure wish he'd stop aging me though. ;-)

[Oscar]

... in response to you rat bastard - the board dominating b..., posted by BrianN on Aug 22, 2002

I think you are spitting into the wind Brian, as much as I applaud your spirit..  I think the guy should be banned from the board for his innuendos about another mans girl.  That simply should NOT be allowed.

All I can say is one thing-  That the guy is amazingly unhappy.  Now he will vehemently deny this of course, but it is very obvious to me that he is one very deeply unhappy person..

Later

[BarryM]

... in response to lol, I'm so misunderstood......, posted by LP on Aug 22, 2002

Let me paraphrase and translate for those uneducated in LP speak:

"I got what I got, my way is better, mine's bigger, and it's more than you have and probably will ever have... so.... ROFLMAO... piss off"

Pretty close?

-blm

[LP]

... in response to Your message is clear to me...., posted by BarryM on Aug 22, 2002

...good *is* the best revenge Barry, you outta try it. ;-)

[BarryM]

... in response to Living....., posted by LP on Aug 23, 2002

"revenge" is not necessary. Living good is relative and according to one's perspective.

-blm

[thesearch]

... in response to Mr. Nice-Guy, posted by MarkInTx on Aug 20, 2002

Mark,

I saw things a bit differently here relative the posts by LP that are being referred to.

LP's so called supporters did not support LP in the thread we are talking about. I for one came forth and said that LP had crossed the line in that I felt his posts insinuated issues such as possible sexual contact even though he did not say this directly. I agreed that this was out of line.  

As far as I was concerned, this dialogue should have been between you and him in private if they were to be discussed at all. I do not recall anyone supporting LP in that thread.

Yes there are people here who have acknowledged that LP had some excellent posts that had strong merit. These comments were prior to that thread as I remember things. No one as I recall supported LP's comments in the tread we are talking about based upon past posts of merit. Go back and look at the archives if you want.

I do not think that I was the only one that could be labeled as a supporter of/tolerator of LP's posts that felt he crossed the line in that thread.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re: Mr. Nice-Guy, posted by thesearch on Aug 20, 2002

First off, although you did in fact state that he crossed the line, not another of the "old timers" did. (And, as I recall, it was a reluctant "slap on the wrist".)

Yet if a new guy were to say something that is even a little off-base, those same "old-timers" will come out of the woodwork to flame him.

And then when you make pleas: "Oh where is LP, I miss him so!" .. and others echo -- and that is all that is heard from the "old-guard" -- then what he says is endorsed. It is that simple.

You say that his discussion with me should have been in private? I say it shouldn't have happened at all. For one thing, he was mistaken... and even if he were not -- why would any decent man say what he said?

And, I repeat... NOTHING he has said in the past year is anything that we haven't heard from trolls a hundred times -- and Patrick banned them. (And, to my mind, his "drought" goes back much longer than that...)

Brian makes a valid point.

You don't see it only because you're the president of the LP fan-club...

Which is fine... just go back to printing up your "I wanna be LP" bumper stickers and buttons, or whatever it is you guys do in the "LP Treehouse..."

[thesearch]

... in response to Silence implies Consent, posted by MarkInTx on Aug 20, 2002

Mark: First off, although you did in fact state that he crossed the line, not another of the "old timers" did. (And, as I recall, it was a reluctant "slap on the wrist".)

Greg: I think that the only thing that would have satisfied you is if I had taken a full head on attack. I think that you will note that this has never been my modus operandi. Had LP persisted, you would have seen my posts adjust to the need. He dropped it at that point and has not returned to repeat.

Mark: Yet if a new guy were to say something that is even a little off-base, those same "old-timers" will come out of the woodwork to flame him.

Greg: I do not agree with you on that. I do not see this anymore from these so-called "old-timers" than I do from you or anyone else. Also I think that it is exaggerating it some to say "even a little off-base" Of the people that have been the most vocal about appreciating certain aspects of LP's posts I quickly think of KenC and Dan. There have been others. I do not see these people being on the attack with something that is a just a little off base. Maybe I do not understand what you are referring to.    Mark, there is a reason for everything. Why do YOU think that LP has gotten away with being so blunt with a sizable number of people. Just the lack of retaliation "silence" from people on this board suggests this. I would be interested in your take on this.

Mark: And then when you make pleas: "Oh where is LP, I miss him so!" .. and others echo -- and that is all that is heard from the "old-guard" -- then what he says is endorsed. It is that simple.

Greg: I do not think that it is that simple. There are times for a little sobering LPism as I would call it. Rarely do I agree with anyone totally here and with LP and me there is not an exception. I did not approve of LP's writing style. I tolerated it because intermingled in his "roasts" was a well worded dose of some realities whether you liked them or not that applied to this whole process of going to the FSU.  

Mark: You say that his discussion with me should have been in private? I say it shouldn't have happened at all. For one thing, he was mistaken... and even if he were not -- why would any decent man say what he said?

Greg: No I said if such discussion ---Happened At All---- that it should have been only in private - I am not endorsing it's existence and I already agreed with you that he crossed a line that I can not condone. BTW, I think you handled it very well. However, if you did not discuss this with him, how do you know he did not come across your lady? How do you know that he is mistaken? I suspect you really do not know the truth about this -- that you are wanting to just ignore it. So what if she met him? I mean a lot of these women have met several men in their quest to find the right man for them.

Mark: And, I repeat... NOTHING he has said in the past year is anything that we haven't heard from trolls a hundred times -- and Patrick banned them. (And, to my mind, his "drought" goes back much longer than that...)

Greg: You are dead wrong here as far as I see it. The Trolls come here with some truth many times --- the problem is they use a truth, a circumstance, an example and make it into a sweeping statement. However, there is a truth that is distorted. Why do you think that Patrick has not banned him? What makes him different from the trolls? Mark, there obviously has to be something that makes him different.

Mark: Brian makes a valid point.

You don't see it only because you're the president of the LP fan-club...

Which is fine... just go back to printing up your "I wanna be LP" bumper stickers and buttons, or whatever it is you guys do in the "LP Treehouse..."

Greg: Don't you think that you are being a little condescending here LOL - Do you really feel the need for that? And, do you approve of Brian's way of posting? I am not talking about who is right or wrong here, I am not talking about the content but the crudeness of the post that was banned.

Now, here you go again assuming with me - telling me that I do not see any sign of validity in Brian's post. I do not in the one that was deleted but this last one, I do. However, I have never found that I have much in common with people who feel that violence is the answer to solve their problems. We are simply a cut from a different cloth. So, you approve of Brian's approach hmmmmmmm. If that is the case you can not be opposed to LP's way of writing. This is nothing more than the pot calling the kettle black. If you look at LP's posts you will see that his writing style became more aggressive - this is when he crossed the line as I  stated.  Why did that happen? I would not have a clue.

You do not have to worry about LP returning - my call is that is just not going to happen - maybe a cameo appearance but nothing more than that if that at all.

However, I will call for some down to earth LPism if it appears that someone needs a dose of reality because they are presenting too overtly the symptoms of real time distortion that is associated with intoxication of  being to strongly footed in LaLa land. It is the only decent thing to do. Agreeing with people for sake of wanting to be liked is not what is always in everyone's best interest.

BTW I am not the president of the LP fan club. I only believe in being the president of one's own fan club of one with the only purpose being that you use such to allow yourself to honestly say each year that you are a better person than you were the year before. If you can say this then the club has served you well. BTW, I have failed at least 60% of the time to accomplish such goal. That is ok because I succeeded the other 40%. Heck 40% is better than 30%.

If you would accuse me of being the President of the LP fan club certainly it holds that you are the acting  President of the LP hate club.