Another Aeroflot horror story

[Dan]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Another Aeroflot horror stor..., posted by Jack on Aug 4, 2002

Flying into Ukraine is not a probelm. It is the flight departing Ukraine to return to America that represents the potential problem. Even then, the likelihood of having that problem is not very great - especially if the departure is from Kyiv. More so, if from Odesa or Lviv - but as you say Jack, a well-placed $20 bill should resolve it.

FWIW

- Dan

[Jack]

... in response to Yes, It is NOT The Flight *INTO* Ukraine..., posted by Dan on Aug 4, 2002

Well Dan I was meaning the outbound portion of the trip as we know this was Rags main concern, and of course was
your main concern with Olya.

As last we could tell by the wording of some Ukraine laws, Ukraine officials could legally hold-up the departure and in fact prevent a lady from leaving the country if she was married to a foreigner. It is just one of those laws, such as in Texas, where one can legally be arrested for having wire cutters in your possession. In the old days they didn't want people cutting down the barb wire fence's to allow the cattle drives to go the most straight route, or for potential cattle rustlers, so in many counties of the state you can be arrested, even today, for carrying wire cutters.

In Ukraine you have this law that could legally be enforced, but just is not. Maybe if there is a reason to suspect or question a woman, Ukraine officials will use this loophole in the law, but as we have discussed in the past Dan, it probably ain't going to happen.

One way guys who did not want to take any such chance of this happening to them was to have there lady from Ukraine fly out of Moscow, which is not a problem for Ukraine ladies to fly to, and Russia has no such law on the books that would prevent this Ukraine lady from flying to the states. The second thing a guy could do is what Dan did. If I'm not mistaken Dan, because he didn't want to take a chance of this happening to Olya, Dan did all the legal paperwork, quite time consuming, so that it was not a possiability of it happening to Olya.

[Rags]

... in response to Yes, It is NOT The Flight *INTO* Ukraine..., posted by Jack on Aug 4, 2002

I guess if I only have to do this once a year, I might just roll the dice. I'm not too sure about the $20 "tip" though. I tried that with a $100 bill during my last Aerofk fiasco trying to get out of SVO 2 on an expired transit visa. I got the impression that if the lady I was dealing with was not already sypathetic to my situation that I would have been in even more trouble for making the offer. Besides, it would be pretty tricky sliding a $20 to that guy in KBP. He is sitting right there with everyone watching him.

Dan, could you explain the process/difficulties of getting this permission to live abroad? It would be greatly appreciated.
Sign me "No sugar tonight..."

[Richard]

... in response to Another Aeroflot horror story, posted by Rags on Aug 3, 2002

I understand why you and your family are flying through Moscow, but Aeroflot is not the only airline that fly from the us to SVO.  On *paper*, Aeorflot may be the best choice (price, connections), but it is not the only airline to fly from the US to Moscow. However, with all of the problems you have had with Aeroflot, why don't you use an US or western european airline to fly to moscow and connect to a Ukrainian airline in Moscow.  (When I go to Kiev, one or two of my flights is operated by Ukraine International.)

[Rags]

... in response to Re: Another Aeroflot horror story - a qu..., posted by Richard on Aug 3, 2002

This may be an option if it's too big a hassle to get her property transfer taken care of. I wonder if it's just paperwork or if we have to pay taxes and fees. Anybody here done this?

Another thing to consider is the hassle and cost ($150 minimun) of getting a Russian double entry transit visa.