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Author Topic: the unnaturalness of it all  (Read 13759 times)
KenC
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« on: July 20, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

Many have asked, "What is the difference between AW and RW?"  Although my answer would be about Russian women, much of what I say can also be applied to most foreign born women.  By saying that, I guess the answer can be found in what American women ARE NOT as much as what foreign women ARE.  This is not meant to be an American woman bash fest as it is a statement of what our American society has done to our family role models.  Because whatever the American woman has become is certainly integrated with what the American man has also become.

The genders in this country have become blurred at best.  The equality of the weaker sex has eroded the pleasant differences.  (Boy, isn't that term "weaker sex" so politically incorrect now.)  The women here have become so masculine and the men so feminine, that it has become almost impossible to define each other's roles in any relationship.  Any woman here would be ridiculed for aspiring to become a "stay at home Mom."  Partially because two incomes are necessary to keep up with the Jones and of course because the woman's career is as important as the man's.  Hmmm?  Two important careers must take precedence over the less important task of child raising.  (But that is another subject for another day)

My point in this is that men and women's roles have become so jumbled in this country that we have no idea of what is expected of each other.  Men are pushing strollers, feeding babies and now even have changing tables in public rest rooms.  While women have attained a status in the workplace "almost" equal to men.  Men have been force fed the concepts of being more caring, thoughtful and open to our partner's feelings, while women have been taught to be more competitive in the workforce.  If the nine months of pregnancy and the pain of child birth could somehow be shared, there would be NO differences at all.

So how does this all relate to Russian women?  Go back in Time to 40 years ago and look at the American family for your answers.  When your Dad was "John Wayne" and your Mom was at home preparing dinner when you got home from school.  Everyone understood that your Dad was "head of the house" and your Mom was NOT ashamed to be a "housewife."  Their roles were not confused as they are in today's society.

Somehow RW have been able to maintain their feminine identity even with achieving an equality in the work place.  How is that possible?  Maybe it has something to do with there not being any diaper changing tables in the Russian men's rooms?
KenC

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Jack
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to the unnaturalness of it all, posted by KenC on Jul 20, 2002

Ken I think you are trying to be somewhat kind in your opinion on the differences between AW and RW and you are able to do such in a way which is not AW bashing.

I see the difference between AW and RW as day is to night, hot is to cold, LP is to yoe. BUT, there are many good American women. And there are many bad Russian women. You can get burnt with either so one must choose wisely no matter what country your future wife comes from. Sure, if your one of those fools who married the first and only Russian woman he ever met and she scammed the pants off of you once she got to America, this guy is going to be bitter towards Russian women, when in fact he should be bitter because he was such a stupid fool.


And although in my opinion Russian women are in a league of there own compared to AW, Russian women are all different. Just as there are those who do not want to lift anything heavy, there are those you will get in there and help to lift anything her husband tries to lift. Some Russian women don't want to carry in the groceries, others don't want there husband to help. There are those who will get out there and help there husband build fences and those who don't want to get there hands dirty. So if one thinks Russian women are all cut from the same mold, one would be very much mistaken. But they are without any doubt, overall the finest, most caring, sensual, giving, charming, beautiful women and best wifes on earth.

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KenC
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: the unnaturalness of it all, posted by Jack on Jul 21, 2002

Jack,
My post is less about RW than it is about changes in the American family (both men & women).  We always hear about how feminine RW are (and AW are not), but little is said about the reduction in the masculinity of American men.  We (AM) have been active participants in the women's movement if for no other reason than our own inactivity.  I say equal rights are a good thing, but can't they still act like women too?
KenC
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Jack
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to the unnaturalness of it all, posted by KenC on Jul 20, 2002

Ken I think you are trying to be somewhat kind in your opinion on the differences between AW and RW and you are able to do such in a way which in which it is not AW bashing.

I see the difference between AW and RW as day is to night, hot is to cold, LP is to yoe. BUT, there are many good American women. And there are many bad Russian women. You can get burnt with either so one must choose wisely no matter what country your future wife comes from. Sure, if your one of those fools who married the first and only Russian woman he ever met and she scammed the pants off of you once she got to America, this guy is going to be bitter towards Russian women, when in fact he should be bitter because he was such a stupid fool.


And although in my opinion Russian women are in a league of there own compared to AW, Russian women are all different. Just as there are those who do not want to lift anything heavy, there are those you will get in there and help to lift anything her husband tries to lift. Some Russian women don't want to carry in the groceries, others don't want there husband to help. There are those who will get out there and help there husband build fences and those who don't want to get there hands dirty. So if one thinks Russian women are all cut from the same mold, one would be very much mistaken. But they are without any doubt, overall the finest, most caring, sensual, giving, charming, beautiful women and best wifes on earth.

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MarkInTx
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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to the unnaturalness of it all, posted by KenC on Jul 20, 2002

I am in the middle of a move right now.

I spent yesterday toting boxes and assembling desks, moving couches, and all of those wonderful things that come with a move.

Last night, I was exhausted... and I am sure you can all relate to that...

Anyway, I wrote to Victoria and told her about the move (since it will be *our* house) and about all I had done and how tired I was.

Her response to me was:

"It is a pity, that I am not near you now, I would help you by giving you a great massage. You really need one now. "

Nice, huh?

Don't miss what she DIDN'T say though. She did NOT say: "I wish I were there. I could help you with all of the boxes."

She said, in effect, "You lift all of the heavy things, and at night, I will massage you and make you feel better.

You know what?

That's FINE by me.

I don't need my wife getting knuckles skinned and wearing herself out moving desks and boxes.

She can supervise the move, and then massage me when the day is done. I'll take that ANY DAY.

The point is: When we want the women to be women... we'd better be ready to be men...

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KenC
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to The flip side (smile), posted by MarkInTx on Jul 21, 2002

Mark,
You better get used to it.  LOL.  Your job, as man of the house, is to lift and move all heavy objects.  Lena will wake me from my sleep to carry in the groceries from the car.  If that sounds like a complaint, it is not meant to be.  I will gladly do all the heavy lifting for a woman as feminine as my wife.  As for your move, I seem to recall exwife and exgirlfriends grunting and groaning on the other end of a sofa trying to prove what?  That they are equally as strong as I am? (They were not)  Geez, how stupid.  But because we didn't know any better, it was acceptable behavior.  I like it better the way it is now for me. LOL.  Lena can be the delicate feminine woman and I will carry in the groceries and move the furniture.  That, my friend, IS the natural order of things.
KenC
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Stevo
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to for sure!, posted by KenC on Jul 21, 2002

my wife doesn't want me lifting all the heavy things.  When I offer to help with the groceries, or whatever, she just tells me to sit down and rest.  After all, she doesn't want her 'dedushka' getting overly tired.  Then she does all the rest like massages to keep me in good health.

I guess I've got the best of both worlds...hah!

Stevo

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greg2
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« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Interesting..., posted by Stevo on Jul 21, 2002

boy are you spoiled }}}
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Stevo
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« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Interesting..., posted by greg2 on Jul 21, 2002

wife will throw an empty beer bottle at me, or take an ice cream cone and push it into my face.  Ya gotta' love that Russkie temper!
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MarkInTx
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« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to for sure!, posted by KenC on Jul 21, 2002


Especially when I know she is just waiting for me to finish so she can give me a massage :-)

Hmmm... Maybe we'll have to rearrange furniture from time to time, too :-)

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Quasimoto
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to the unnaturalness of it all, posted by KenC on Jul 20, 2002

Read the article by John Leo in Newsweek Magazine, July 1 issue: "They hate your mommy".

In the article Leo commends President Bush for not signing the international CEDAW, the international women's rights law. 169 countries have signed the law, promoted by the United Nations. However the law is written vaguely, and it seems the original source of the law, the NOW, and the extremist wing of that activist group has stated that they are the only entity qualified to interpret the specifics of the law.

The CEDAW is so radical it "...bristles with contempt for family, motherhood, religion, and tradition." In June, the CEDAW condemned Ireland for it's tendencies to follow and vote in-line with Catholic tradition, Belarus for instituting a "Mother's Day", which the CEDAW claimed promoted stereotypes of women, Armenia for the traditional use of the words "the Noble Mother", Libya for following Islamic beliefs. They also claimed that intercourse within marriage constituted nothing less than the "sexual slavery of women".

The CEDAW has threatened any country it does not consider in compliance with lawsuits in the International court.

There are many other points in the article. Too many to mention, but you get the picture. There are some feminist issues I support, such as abuse issues, child support as long as it is reasonable and just. But the idea that all sex within marriage is sexual slavery, and forced political correctness, is nothing short of feminist fascism.

Steve

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MarkInTx
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« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: the unnaturalness of it all, posted by Quasimoto on Jul 20, 2002

Actually, this shows the problem for AW... they are caught in the middle.

With the "feminists" (strange word since feminists are never feminine...how can that be?) arguing for more and more stringent "women first and women only" positions, American women are left feeling that motherhood is a bad thing.

My ex-wife, was a perfect example of this. I know her very well. And I *know* that deep down, what she really wants is a man to take care of her. That is when she feels most loved.

And yet, she believes that she must be able to stand on her own, so she has a career.

These two things war in her life, alternating between  making her happy... and making her miserable.

I don't think it is a coincidence that she has had four husbands. And, I won't be shocked when she takes a fifth husband.

Her life has become an intrinsic impossibility.

I feel sad for her... and for the AWs who are similarly trapped...


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LP
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to And this is the problem, posted by MarkInTx on Jul 21, 2002

"I don't think it is a coincidence that she has had four husbands. And, I won't be shocked when she takes a fifth husband.

Her life has become an intrinsic impossibility.

I feel sad for her... and for the AWs who are similarly trapped..."


I don't think it is a coincidence that he has had two wives. And, I won't be shocked when he takes a third wife.

His life has become an intrinsic impossibility.

I feel sad for him... and for the AM who are similarly trapped...


Lol! Man, you're a riot!

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Ryan
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to And this is the problem, posted by MarkInTx on Jul 21, 2002

I wrote to my RW friend and told her what KenC wrote and her reply...

Many women in Russia now try to be independent of men. They promote, earn independently money, buy expensive(dear) houses, cars and things and refuse the help of men. It is the truth. But in most cases it is unfortunate women because they are lonely. They have everything, but there is no the most important - love and understanding. In a pursuit of money and career they have lost all friends and men. Their children are spoilt and whimsical. It is a pity to me of such women. I not such, think, you already could understand it of their my last letters. I consider, that the man necessarily should be present at life of the woman that she(it) was happy. Money, career and works not the most important in life of the woman. The beloved, children and the house is its(her) elements, those things which to it(her) are necessary and important. We much with you about it spoke and came to the conclusion, that each person - whether it be the man or the woman, should be engaged in the business(on) and to be on the seat. We have found much in common and have agreed with each other in many things.

My Thinking after I read the above...
While this is all interesting talk I wonder will RW be much like AW in the future?  I would guess in some ways but hope not all..... Find your women soon guys!!!!

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KenC
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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to And this is the problem, posted by MarkInTx on Jul 21, 2002

Mark,
Greg would explain your ex's situation as that she needed her career because look how many divorces she got.  LOL  As for your sadness in regard to the trapped AW, I ask, "who set the trap?"  The answer is that the traps were self inflicted.  Look, I was married (for over 20 years) to an avid feminist THAT NEVER HELD A JOB.  This woman was always treated as my equal (or better).  The feminist BS finally pushed her over the edge in seeking independance, thereby breaking down our marriage.  Some how working for a living as she approaches 50 isn't quite as glamorous as she imagined.
KenC
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