Europete -- A question

[HappyInBrazil]

... in response to Re: Europete -- A question, posted by europete on Apr 19, 2002

Europete,

Maybe we're not in the same situation, but I'm late 30's and my wife is early 30's and I worry about being too old to have kids.  I imagine I will feel too old some days, if and when we do.  Still, I think that two adults can decide what they are comfortable with.  Just as an aside, when I was searching I also dicussed the "what if we can't have kids..." question, because there are couples taking fertility to bizarre extremes to make their own rather than adopt.  Just thought that might be an interesting thing to discuss, to find out if you are both on the same page.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re: Re: Europete -- good luck with your ..., posted by HappyInBrazil on Apr 20, 2002


And, if I can make a quick commercial for adoption...

My daughter is adopted. We adopted her when she was 4 1/2 weeks old.

I cannot imagine life without her, and there is no way that I could love her more if "my blood flowed in her veins."

Those of you going to Russia and Ukraine actually have an advantage if you do end up wanting to adopt because there are many adoption agencies in these areas.

Many American couples are heading over there to adopt these wonderful children... and the agencies will give extra consideration to a couple where the mother is Russian (or Ukrainian).

So... please... don't look past Adoption as an option...

Commercial ended...

[wsbill]

... in response to Adoption, posted by MarkInTx on Apr 22, 2002

Lady on my website called UkraineAngels seems to know how it is done and much cheaper than most.

www.geocities.com/eewife or ukrainianangels.com

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re: Europete -- A question, posted by europete on Apr 19, 2002


Hmmm... lemme see if I can do the math here...

You are 57.

If you found someone FAST, you probably won't have her here until you are 58... (and that is REALLY pushing it... since it doesn't sound like you have anyone in mind right now...)

Assuming you and she are REALLY fertile... you MIGHT have a child when you are 60... that is really pushing it, too... but...

So... changing diapers when you are 61...

Going through the terrible twos when you are 62...

Your child's first day of school when you are 66... it'll be nice that you are retired then... hey, maybe you can get a job as a crossing guard at your kid's school...

You will be 72 when your kid is out of high school...

The average male lives to be 80... so, when your child has graduated from college, you'll be in the retirement home.

Oh... and your 20 year old wife is 32 by this time and in the prime of her life.

You really think this is a good plan???

BTW... have you done a fertility test? Do you know if you even CAN conceive a child at your age? And... if you can't... what then? A sperm donar? How is that different than helping a woman raise a child that she already has?

I'm not saying don't do whatever you want... but I do think some reality is a good thing.

I have been a step-father... I can tell you... it's can be a real joy... you might be much better off if you considered a woman who already has a child...

Not trying to blast you... just thought a little perspective might help.

Of course... to each his own...

[wsbill]

... in response to Really? Wow... Let's do some math..., posted by MarkInTx on Apr 19, 2002

What someone prefers is really no concern of your.  If you can't say anything good about anyone you should say anything at all.

What ever happened to manners.

[Oatmeal]

... in response to Re: Markintx that's a shiit shot at pete, posted by wsbill on Apr 19, 2002

or agree that Mark came off a bit harsh but I'll admit that he does make a valid point about getting married in your late 50's and still planning on having kids of their own.

I think that Marks numbers add up pretty reasonable and I think it would be remiss not to consider the reprocussions of such an age gap and expecting to have children by the time a guy is already 60 years old.  Not to say it isn't physically possible but I am quite sure that parenting is a very active duty and what will be the result of having a woman of 32 who is in the sexual prime of her life and you are near 70 years of age.

I am not advocating that it is right or wrong, just that each man should really honestly think if this is the best choice and if this is really what he wants.  If after having closely pondered on this and he still feels the same then by all means pursue that.  Those are choices made only between the man and his intended bride.  Just consider ALL posibilities and reprocussions.

"Let the buyer beware"

PEACE.

[BrianN]

... in response to Re: Markintx that's a shiit shot at pete, posted by wsbill on Apr 19, 2002

Come on guys, aren't we all going to the next Texas Appreciation of Russian Woman social next May?

I am, & would like to meet all of you folks, and hopefully without all of the "value judgements" thing going on, or is this turning into another drew vs jack thing?

It might be better to just let "sleeping dogs lie" where they are, without killing off each other you know.

Some things, are better left unsaid... or in the dark closet of confusion.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re: Markintx that's a shiit shot at pete, posted by wsbill on Apr 19, 2002

Hmmm...

I thought I did that in the most polite way possible... And I thought I was very well mannered. Didn't call anyone any names... didn't accuse anyone of anything... didn't use profanity (even masked profanity, such as ...well shiit for example...)

And, I said that everyone is welcome to do whatever they want...

But... if you like taking a shot at me, shiit or otherwise... feel free.

[BrianN]

... in response to Re: Markintx that's a shiit shot at pete, posted by wsbill on Apr 19, 2002

[wsbill]

... in response to Re: Re: that's a (shiit) Dr Laura shot a..., posted by BrianN on Apr 19, 2002

Markintx just sounds like the MoralMajority.
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It's the way his message was delivered was not very tactful.

Why is there always someone out their who sez this is the only way it is done.  Maybe in mainstream america, but in these 3rd world countries where the older man really does have the pick of the litter,, it's no big deal.

It's not like Pete's reeling them in.  He said he's still single.  Think of it perhaps from a womans prospective.

Marry a wealthy guy who is seasoned/mature and will stand by her or marry some poor local guy, get knocked up and watch him walk out the door.  Who would you pick?

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re:  Whoever..., posted by wsbill on Apr 20, 2002

I must say, that I find it amazing to be lectured on manners from you, though...

I mean... there are a lot of guys on here who could certainly teach me a thing or two about manners...

But... Bill... honestly... considering the glass house you've been living in... do you really want to start casting stones?

Tell me... of your 1900 some odd posts... exactly how many have been about a woman's breasts, nipples, or some other horribly low-class gutter remark? Why, I can even remember comments about Victoria Secret catalogs, and Penthouse magazines, and Lord knows what all else...

I would love to see YOUR rules on what constitutes good manners sometime...

[BrianN]

... in response to Moral Majority?, posted by MarkInTx on Apr 20, 2002

and who shot jr?

Lol...  Come on guys let's have a beer instead.

[Philb]

... in response to Where's PhilB when you need'em?, posted by BrianN on Apr 20, 2002

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[BrianN]

... in response to Really? Wow... Let's do some math..., posted by MarkInTx on Apr 19, 2002

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... in response to Europete -- A question, posted by MarkInTx on Apr 19, 2002

The women I have known that didn't want to have children also seemed to be that way because they were so self-absorbed.  (I would say selfish, but actually I think it's rather good for someone to decide not to have kids if they lack the desire to be a good parent.)  So then the obvious question would be:  Why would you want a mate with a personality such as this?

And granted, I am not intending to imply that all women (or people, for that matter) who do not have kids are self-absorbed.  There are many other circumstances:  some women have medical conditions that might cause deformities in their child, a few believe it isn't right to bring a child into this cruel world, others want the divorce to be easy once they get their green card, etc.