Understanding the Trolls - 101, pay attention

[BarryM]

... in response to Oh, what a disappointment!, posted by PrincetonLion on Feb 21, 2002

RWNA-TT supposedly has hundreds of subscribers.

-blm

[Bobby Orr]

... in response to Understanding the Trolls - 101, pay atte..., posted by BarryM on Feb 21, 2002

I agree.

[jj]

... in response to Understanding the Trolls - 101, pay atte..., posted by BarryM on Feb 21, 2002

While I do not support any false "I was scamed" stories the fact remains that some experiences are negative as we go thorugh a learning curve of dealing with the "I want out" FSU woman.  How do you tell if a person is a troll or someone that has a true story to tell and posts for teh first time on this board.  I say this as my first post here was to outline my experience of meeting a women and falling in "Luv" only to later find that she jumped on the first bus heading Up Town...  (Later to find that it was going nowhere)..  Oportiunists or scammer ...  If the story is true then I for one owuld like to read about it so I can learn from others experiences.  I am concerned that some are quick to Jump to their feet and Shout "TROLL" a bit like playing Bingo but in this case they might not bhave the correct set of numbers....  "Troll" posts are just as damaging as "TROLL ATTACKERS".  Natural Justice is based on presumed innocent until proven Guity not trial by te mob.  IMHO

[jj]

... in response to How do you tell a troll from a new poste..., posted by jj on Feb 21, 2002

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[Mike]

... in response to What is the difference to a Advertorial ..., posted by jj on Feb 21, 2002

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[Dan]

... in response to What is the difference to a Advertorial ..., posted by jj on Feb 21, 2002

n/t

[Bob S.]

... in response to What in the World is an "Advertoria..., posted by Dan on Feb 21, 2002

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[KenC]

... in response to How do you tell a troll from a new poste..., posted by jj on Feb 21, 2002

jj,
I am not as good at spotting trolls as some here.  I have wasted my time and energy trying to help a person I thought was sincere, only to find out they were yanking my chain with lies. An unpopular opinion is one thing, telling a fabricated story in attemt to bait confrontation is another.  I have no pity for the lying bas!ards that troll this forum.  In all the time that I have read this board, I have seen 2 people called trolls that were not.  With the large amount of trolls that surface here, that is a dam good batting average.  Your objections to troll attackers is unfounded.  THERE IS NOTHING TO BE LEARNED FROM TROLLS.  PERIOD.  This forum is not a democracy, it is a monarchy and Patrick is King.  If you are so interested in what trolls have to say, go find them on another forum.
KenC

[BarryM]

... in response to I strongly disagree, posted by KenC on Feb 21, 2002

I'm glad some people are getting it. My position is that any "newbie" who comes here with a sob story should be burned at the stake without mercy. This forum is not really the place for those kind of posts. Even if the "troll" is for real, it doesn't belong here. There are plenty of pity party forums for those yahoo trolls. This forum should be about doing things the right way and success. When the focus of attention is on troll posts, the real purpose of the board gets lost.

Calling the trolls a Troll is not feeding them, arguing with them or agreeing with them is. All of the negative stories should be removed if they are not from a firsthand reliable and verifiable source... they can't be trusted. A good example is mdante99... he kept arrogantly posting RWNA stories and continuously focused on the negative until he went spazoid and got banned.

For those who want to read the negative loser troll stories, there are plenty of pity party forums on Yahoo for that. From what BobS mentioned yesterday, it seems that RWNA-TT has started to implode from all the negativity. I guess those folks are starting to see that hell is not a fun place to stay... even for a pity party.

Just say TROLL!

-blm

[KenC]

... in response to Taking a stand..., posted by BarryM on Feb 21, 2002

Barry,
I also do not agree that every negative poster must be a troll.  Your "ostrich" mentality will not allow you to learn from other's mistakes.  As for Mdante99, he did lend some good balancing with reality here until he went over the edge.  Sometimes I think you are going over the edge on the opposite side from him.  Ease up on the caffine Bud, you are starting to sound McCarthy-like.
KenC
p.s. (this is exactly the type of debate that DOES NOT ADD ANYTHING to this forum.  Let's get back to our regularly scheduled program, OK?)

[BarryM]

... in response to Too extreme, posted by KenC on Feb 21, 2002

Ken, it may seem that my position is extreme, but I see the issues of scamming, visa foxes, and insincere RW/UW as being dominant on this board. It seems to swallow up and bully the other issues that are much more constructive. Think about it.

This board should be for problem solving and more objective and reliable discussions and debates on finding a RW/UW bride. I don't see that that as much here as it should be. It seems like a bunch of people want to debate the trolls and waste a lot of energy and effort posting rebuttals (some of which are very good I might add) to the troll posts only to wind up being deleted. This is a shame. That is why I'm raising a little hell about it.

What I would like to see in regards to this issue is some of the regular experienced vets, the RW/UW regulars, some of the guys wives, and even invite some RW/UW from the RWA forum to discuss these issues in a reasonable manner. It's time to address these things with people you can trust and rely on. It is also time to put the issues into a solid unified discussion and debate that any newbie can access and be able to understand the risks and pitfalls of this pursuit. Then it's time to put the issue to rest for the most part and move on to other things.

If you can see where I'm coming from on this, you can understand why I'm so harsh on these troll negative stories... and BTW, mdante99 didn't know crap. He was so full of it. All he did was repost negative stories from other boards such and RWNA. I don't consider that "good balancing with reality". It seemed to me that there was scarcely an original thought in his head except for his own brand of arrogance towards us.

This is what I'm trying to put forward. Some constructivness, equilibrium, respect, reliable discussions, and debate... without the trolls.

-blm

[Ryan]

... in response to Taking a stand..., posted by BarryM on Feb 21, 2002

This is just nonsense talk being built on an obviously even more idiotic lead post.  However; you can have you own feelings but if your position is to burn any "newbie" who comes here with a sob story without mercy, then I just do not agree with you.   This board helps everyone even with the "Trolls" around and it is a fact that we get taken all the time in this risky endeavor.  We should and probably will have both kinds of stories what ever your feelings are.  And if you flame anyone even these “newbie” posters then you should be banned but that would be up to Patrick.  So post if you want to help someone or have a point of view and it would be nice if you lay off the flaming stuff.

[Richard]

... in response to Taking a stand..., posted by BarryM on Feb 21, 2002

Why should every newbie with a sob story be burned at the stake?  Why shouldn't we try to help other people as we ourselves would like to be helped?

May I remind you that one person whom we thought to be a troll, and wasn't, benefited from our advice is now happily married.  In addition, his wife is now posting her also.  Because we helped someone instead of sending them away, we now have two valued members of our community.

[jj]

... in response to I strongly disagree, posted by KenC on Feb 21, 2002

As mentioned I also do not like it if someone fabricates a story just to light a flame...  BUT I HAVE SEEN SINCERE POSTERS ATTACKED AND CALLED "TROLL" AND DISMISSED OUTRIGHT.  Even a monarch needs to ensure that his rule of Kingdom is just.  But more inportant the subjects need to ensure that they do not rape and pilliage and villify the innocent   It can get to the point when a "TROLL BUSTER" is as bad as the TROLL...  One makes a false postr and the other a false accusation.

[KenC]

... in response to Re: I strongly disagree, posted by jj on Feb 21, 2002

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