Last minute jitters...

[Jack]

... in response to I really enjoyed my time..., posted by Stevo on Feb 8, 2002

What a learning experience.
My first social, a European Connection, I was a kid in a candy store. Eeny, meny, miney, moe, which one do I want. Ok, I'll take you to night, that one tomorrow, this one on Sunday, etc, etc. And many men did just this. Other men never left the side of the first young sensual lady who pounced on him. We all thought (about 65 men) we were in love when we left Moscow 8 days later. 90% of the men had a fiancee. Over the next three and four months all but one or two of the group had realized it was not for real.

My second trip not to long after that was an Anastasia social. Having a little experince now, and a game plan, I stood back and did a lot of watching. Most of the men never knew what hit them. 35 to 40 guys and and 20 of these guys fell for the first young sensual thing that smiled at them.

In 10 months time I made it to three consecutive Anastasia socials in Moscow. At this time I only went to the socials for the pure fun of it. I had already made arrangements to met several other ladies in Moscow who were outside the socials but I would keep these four hours free on Friday and Saturdays.

After the second and third socials most of the regular ladies remembered me and I evetually got to know several, maybe five or six, quite well. On a couple of occassions, if one of the regular ladies could not latch onto a man on the first or second social, and I had some free time,  I was able to take a few of these ladies out. These ladies were very open with me. It was all that some of these ladies lived for, circling on there calandar when the next Anastasia or European Connection social was. Some of the ladies would travel by two days train to attend these and many had girlfriends in Moscow that they could spend a few days with while they stayed in Moscow.

E.C. and Anastasia was loving it! They didn't care if the same ladies were coming over and over, as they just wanted 200 to 250 beautiful ladies at each social. Almost 75% of the ladies who showed up on the Friday social also showed up on the Saturday social.

Usually if the ladies from out of town couldn't snag someone by the Saturday afternoon social, they were on the train home that evening. For the most part the Sunday socials were not so entertaining. Less ladies, fewer men, and not the creme of the crop on either side if you know what I mean.

It was the goal of many of these ladies to latch onto any man they could during the first social, and some of these ladies were very good. Many were able to get the guys to leave the social and after a good role in the hay that evening, she was able to keep the guy from attending the next social. You won't believe how many times I saw this happen. There would almost always be a third less men on the second day of the social as compared to the the first. Wonder why that was?

If a lady can keep this guy tied up for a few days, until after the socials are all over, she will have him to herself the remaining 8 or 9 days. He was not able to meet any other ladies. Now she was able to get some new clothes, some new appliance's for the flat. A little money for English lessons and a little hear and there and she had $200 or $300 in cash as she waved to him good-bye. The last time either would see each other again.

On average each of these ladies was able to keep the so-called relationship going for four or five months, using collecting on average an additional $400 or $500. And during this four to five months time, she has been able to make it to some two or three new socials. If the lady was only hitting a 50% success ratio she was doing good.

It became very competitive between the regular ladies and they just got more efficent with each social. Age, looks, personality meant nothing to them.

The new, sincere ladies who would show up at these socials just sat back in there chairs up against the wall smiling big as each man would glance there way. Few men were able to get to the sincere ladies. I saw several such ladies just get up and walk out after two hours, a few in tears.

[truth]

... in response to These socials were a great learning expe..., posted by Jack on Feb 8, 2002

Jack and his lies again

Dont believe to thing this Conman says. "
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[truth]

... in response to These socials were a great learning expe..., posted by Jack on Feb 8, 2002

Jack and his lies again

Dont believe to thing this Conman says. "
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[BubbaGump]

... in response to These socials were a great learning expe..., posted by Jack on Feb 8, 2002

Of course, I've already gone to a few socials, but if I went to the same city a couple of times maybe I would have seen that pattern.    

I noticed from the very first social that a lot of guys have gone to many socials without success.  I thought they just didn't know how to get a woman but now I know better.  They're sorting through the scammers.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to These socials were a great learning expe..., posted by Jack on Feb 8, 2002


I want you bashers to note that this was an honest and sincere post with no "info-mercial" buried in it anywhere.

Just one guy with a load of experience sharing it.

This was helpful Jack, Thanks!

[Bobby Orr]

... in response to How did you like Anastasia socials?, posted by BubbaGump on Feb 8, 2002

Anastasia was the worst run, ugliest women waste of time out of any attempt I have ever made to meet women in the FSU.  I should have just put my money in my pocket and hung out at the local pub - way better chance of actually seeing and meeting an attractive girl.

[Bobby Orr]

... in response to Re: How did you like Anastasia socials?, posted by Bobby Orr on Feb 8, 2002

One other thing - it was in Kiev this past summer.  I went to an AFA social in St. Petersburg in November 99 - now those socials were good - though how any of the big agency socials are in my opinion not the right way to go about meeting women.  I would strongly suggest talking to Firstdre@m if I were you.

[Oatmeal]

... in response to How did you like Anastasia socials?, posted by BubbaGump on Feb 8, 2002

I have my own impressions of Anastasia's socials, so just keep in mind that this is my own opinion based on my own experiences.

It would also be good to read my post above about the owner of Anastasia.

I had decided in Feb. of 1999 to go to FSU to look for my future wife.  I searched the web for some companies who could help me accomplish this.

Since I was so new to this and I had no idea about any of this I felt it would be a good idea to go with a tour company who could "show me the ropes".  You know safety in numbers.

I found that Anastasia tour company was based only 30 minutes from my front door so I contacted them and went to their office in person to talk about the trip.

After meeting with the owner I decided that it was something I had to pursue to at least find out if it was really true or what.

I went on the Kiev/Moscow combo tour.  I was astonished to find so many beautiful women on the tour and really met some nice ladies but no luck on my first tour.  I discovered a lot on this first tour.  (too much to reveal on this post.)

I also met some not so sincere ladies on this tour.  I still feel personally that a social tour is a good way to go if you are unsure how to go about meeting women there.  Now I had some great memories from my Anastasia socials (I will never forget my trip)But if I had to do over again and I wanted to go on a social I would recommend Jack and FirstDream.  The reason I say this is that Jack really shows personal, sincere interest in his clients.  Companies like Anastasia and European Connections will arrange the socials and other arrangements but don't really seem to take personal interest in your success or failure.  I still think that Anastasia and EC can deliver a necessary service but I would personally go with a company that is a little more personalized and can more closely control the women coming to the socials and my own questions.  I have used Jack on another visit to Ukraine (not a social) and found him very helpful.

[Rags]

... in response to How did you like Anastasia socials?, posted by BubbaGump on Feb 8, 2002

Save your money! They were composed of 80% scammers, party girls, lookie lou s,  and hookers with only 20% looking for a serious relationship.

To the inexpirienced eye it was quite wonderful and exciting but in hindsight it was a waste of time and money.

They advertised in the newspapers for anyone to show up and party with minimal screening. Most of the time they bunched up in groups of 6-8 and it was near impossible to talk to the lady that you wanted to meet.

They had maybe 10-12 "interpeters" for 40-50 guys so you had to run one down or wait for your turn to get one. Because you rarely got the same one twice you had to explain your whole life's story over and over.

You had an hour and a half to try to communicate before they started the disco music so loud that any further talking had to be done outside.

Then there were the drinks, at $6 for a bottle of Perrier and over $10 for a mixed drink (in Moscow).

I found Firstdream's "parties" to be less stressful and more productive (even though that is not how I met my wife). At Jack's shindigs you knew that there were at least two to four ladies that were there to meet YOU each day. They were carefully screened (although I thought that a few were there just to party) so it kept out the hookers and lookie lou s.

The venue definitely had more class and the music wasn't so loud that you could not have a conversation. The same $6 that bought a bottle of water in Moscow got you a bottle of champgne in Kyiv.

You had your own (competent) interpreter and so the repeating of your life's story over and over was not needed. After the first few ladies, your interpreter could answer most of the initial questions thus saving a lot of time. Even as shy as I was, I got around to meet almost all but maybe 4-5 ladies at these parties.

I still think that a newspaper ad is the best way to go but you could combine the parties as your plan B (go over a week before to meet your plan A).

[BubbaGump]

... in response to Re: How did you like Anastasia socials?, posted by Rags on Feb 8, 2002

One guy told me that Anastasia just seemed to invite women off the street.  He didn't like their tours at all.  

I was told that AFA had the best socials of all but that they would have a social on the day before you left. Any girls you met on that last day you couldn't spend but one evening with.  EC was 2nd best but they're the largest tour operator.  At least they have enough interpreters.

One more warning about interpreters.  I had my interpreter call some women fluent in English but since she makes $55 a day off me, it has occured to me she may have never called those girls.  $55 is a month's salary in a day!  Other guys said that interpreters never like the girls that speak English.  

[Oatmeal]

... in response to Re: How did you like Anastasia socials?, posted by Rags on Feb 8, 2002

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[ChipShot]

... in response to When I visited Moscow I had backups, but..., posted by Stevo on Feb 7, 2002

Steve

Thanks fo rsharing this with me. I just have a sense that these ladies really do know what's going on in the realm of LDRs and FSU dating. As you said, when a big tour is in town, they know it. The only thing I have in my favor is that while I'm in Russia, I'll miss a big tour by two days. I never had planned on doing a tour, but just one visit, one night, at a big social seemed really tempting. I would regale the Russian crowd with a rendition of the macarena, the forbidden dance of love. And yes, I'm sure S and her friends would know about it.

[KenC]

... in response to Last minute jitters..., posted by ChipShot on Feb 7, 2002

Chip,
Go to Russia with all the confidence in the world that you and "S" will be a great match.  But have an agencies number in your back pocket if things don't work out.  Best of luck to you.
KenC
ps (I went to meet one woman in Russia and we are closing in on 3 years married)

[ChipShot]

... in response to Don't be paranoid, but be smart, posted by KenC on Feb 7, 2002

n/t

[micha1]

... in response to Last minute jitters..., posted by ChipShot on Feb 7, 2002

One big question, here.
Did you volunteer the information or did she ask you, if you were coming over just to see her.

If she did ask you,  then it does mean that she knows how the game is played, that you could have a plan B and C.
If you volunteer the informations, she may be hurt,  but underline the facts that you wanted everything above
board, and that you are an honest person.  And that should your relation goes on and on, she can trust you
in the future.