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Author Topic: Jack, Sorry, You're Way Off This Time  (Read 16608 times)
coaster881
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« on: February 11, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

Jack,

I've reviewed some of your recent posts and I still don't see a conection between Drew and me.

After giving more thought to your e-mail, I'm now a little ticked. Actually, I'm very offended.

If Drew intends to publish a web site which instructs guys on how to avoid agencies, that would be an attempt to hurt you and all the people who you work with - including Rostick. Would you agree with this???

Now you don't know me from "jack" but Rostick does and if he believes I would do something like this to him, then I am very upset. I told Rostick during my trip that I was asked to help with a  website and I even offered to help you guys with your site if you wished. I don't even charge, it's just a hobby!!!

I think you guys have some kind of competative thing going on and I don't want to be in the middle of it. I was simply trying to save some good people a little money by building a website during my spare time. They were being charged outrageous fees and I was able to save them a bundle. It's funny how I always get in "jack"pots when I try to help someone.

I have not been in contact with Drew in any manner since the day after my trip. No e-mails, no calls, nothing. Period. from what I understand, he was not happy with his "partners" having a web site and he no longer helps them. They were already having a site built for them and I hated to see someone pay too much when I could do it cheaper.

I do not think I've done anything to hurt you or, more importantly, Rostick. These people are not competing with you and their site is not being advertised. Believe it or not, you are not the only decent person in this industry. They may charge differently but they are good people and they take very good care of their clients. As for their age... I don't know where you got the idea they were an "elderly couple". I never made such claim.

I really resent you placing me at a level with Drew and I'm going to be very upset if I loose Rostick as a friend because of your crazy accusations. After catching up with the PL posts, I'm seriously questioning the sanity of all you guys. I've never met so many spiteful, paranoid people. Must be a Texas thing.... Grow Up.

If you're the great man you claim to be, you'll know when to admit you're wrong and appologize accordingly.

Jack, you went and ticked off a Buckeye. Worse, you might have lost a friend.


From: "Jack Bragg"
To:  
Subject: XXXXXX, you better hurry
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:30:14 -0600

XXXXXX, you had better hurry, your looney friend needs to have this website you are working on up very quickly.

You know he has been banned from Planet - Love and has a warning from the RWG site. He needs this website up and running quickly so he can prove to people that he owns an agency (and I thought it was this elderly couple who owned this agency?).

Anyway XXXXXX, we are all waiting to see Drews new website.


Jack

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coaster881
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Jack, Sorry, You're Way Off This Time, posted by coaster881 on Feb 11, 2002

Jack,

Is that not your e-mail at the bottom of my post in which you accuse me of building a web site for Drew?Huh Did you not write that e-mail and send it to me yesterday???

Let's cut through the crap. Do you or do you not think that I am working with Drew? yes or no? No more word games, just tell everyone on the board that you think I am helping Drew build a web site.

Don't forget to tell them that I e-mailed you the actual web site that I did build and that the site is actually for an agency. Why don't you write to the people at that agency and ask them if they work with Drew? Sounds to me like you don't like facts.

The fact is I had a great experience in Ukraine, made a few friends and tried to help them by finishing a web site that they were paying too much for.

Just for you simpletons who don't understand... I have not heard from Drew since my trip and I am not helping him or working with him on anything. Period.

Are you that upset that I was treated well by someone other than yourself? You think you are the only honest guy in this business? Sorry, but I was treated very well on my trip, I got exactly what I wanted at a price I consider fair. You're not the only one who knows how to treat guests.

Where in my post did I accuse you of mentioning my name?

Do you even read posts? Was mine too long for you? Why don't you address ALL the issues?

CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHERE DREW HAS MENTIONED MY NAME? Where are these other boards and posts?? This is the only forum I know of and the only one I've ever used. If Drew is mentioning me, I'd like to know about it. The site addresses would help.

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jj
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Jack, Memory Problems???, posted by coaster881 on Feb 11, 2002

Coaster...  I know it is hard to ignore Jack. and Yes your are right in your comments...  Jack continues to make false claims and abuses anyone that questions or suggests any alternatoive to Jacks services.  Who gives a dam is you have or have not been assicated with another service provider.  Your views should be welcomed and discussed in a civil manner without being subjkected to the lies and abuse generated by Jack.  The same goes for everyone else that is subjected to his continual attacks.  I think it is best that in future we try and refain from getting too worked up by Jacks crap... insted we should just post a warning message to Jack to STOP THE LIES AND ABUSE.
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truth
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Jack, Memory Problems???, posted by coaster881 on Feb 11, 2002

Jack does good just to to remember what name there am used
last.

to under many lies, many names, many stories.

it is hard to keep up with it all.

Fred Walter on the Russian Women guide Board

Embaresed, Sherlock on the Chernvotsy Board

Ralph on the RWG board

Barry M. on this board.

Sherlock on the Russian women in America Board.

Give him to liilte dwells Time Coaster to to to remember who
there a.m. is,

and what there a.m. wrote.

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Jack
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Jack, Memory Problems???, posted by coaster881 on Feb 11, 2002

not on the message board.

If you care to discuss your stupid screw-up, then I would be happy to discuss with you privately, as my e-mail to you was!

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coaster881
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Yes Coaster and that e-mail was sent to ..., posted by Jack on Feb 11, 2002

Why not simply answer the questions???

Again....

Question #1: Do you or do you not think I am working with Drew?

A simple yes or no would be fine.

Question #2: Did you or did you not send me an e-mail in which you directly accused me of building a web site for Drew?

Humor me Jack, just answer these two questions on this post for all to see.

I don't need to discuss any screw ups. I haven't made any mistakes. I simply tried to help someone and I have never done anything to hurt you or your associates. You accused me of doing something I have not done and you refuse to admit it or appologize for it. Seems very simple to me.

Take note all....

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Jack
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Hiding something?, posted by coaster881 on Feb 11, 2002

Coaster,

 All your questions were answered.

 Please Coaster, as my e-mail to you ask's, what did I accuse you of?  And this answer will determine if you did, or did not "screw up"?

 I await your answer.

 Take note all.

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TomR.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Answered all your questions Coaster., posted by Jack on Feb 11, 2002

Jack starting arguments again

Arguments, Spamming, lies, alias's, childish name calling

99 % of the crud on this board would not happpen it it were
not for

the ConMan spinning his Web of lies.

Jack should be banned from this board

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TomR.
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Answered all your questions Coaster., posted by Jack on Feb 11, 2002

Jack starting arguments again

Arguments, Spamming, lies, alias's, childish name calling

99 % of the crud on this board would not happpen it it were
not for

the ConMan spinning his Web of lies.

Jack should be banned from this board

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BarryM
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Hiding something?, posted by coaster881 on Feb 11, 2002

Look, if this nutball Drew hadn't mentioned my name and did not live in Houston, I wouldn't be making such a fuss.

Drew mentioned you as one of his clients. Don't blame Jack. Work it out. It's time to clear the air about John Drew. I believe you when you say you don't have anything to do with him. It's just that the crap has been flying over this mess.

Cool things off with Jack and everything will be fine. He hasn't been attacking you at all.

-blm

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TomR.
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Jack, Sorry, You're Way Off This Time, posted by coaster881 on Feb 11, 2002

Everyone needs to take a look on the Russian Women Guide Board
Jack Bragg you have been posting to under to another

one of his many alias's " Fred Walter's ", You
dog go to to search

to under the Word " Fred', and you will find many
messages where Jack

tries to self promote his own agency, to under the fake name
(alias) Fred

The Walters.

Here plows to few you copy of just to few "

By Fred Walter (Fred1) on Wednesday, July 25, 2001 - 10:19
a.m.:

Russiandude,

You might want to to consider writing Jack Bragg AT
Firstdream.  Is rented to flat from his company to few months ago and
it was on the main street, the one that starts with to " K
", it's hard for me to pronounce or even write but it is the
very to center of the City.  Is paid $40 to day and thought it was to
great deal.

To few to other guys rented there flats from him also and one
of the guys said there am had to jucuzzi in his flat and his flat was
behind the area with the large fountain.


By Fred Walter (Fred1) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 11:44
a.m.:

Hello Corey,

It seems everyone wants to give you to little piece of advice
and to their own recommendation under I thought I might also.

I would advise you to be leery of the to larger agencies.  My
first trip was with such an agency and it was not very productive AT
all, most the ladies were under called social scammers and some
agencies have the same ladies meeting men to after men to after men.


I would recommend that you to consider the hand full of to
smaller, to better known agencies out there.  I was most impressed
with the company First Dream that I used on to trip last month.  There
were about to dozen guys on this trip and I understand that all there
group trips plows this size for the sole purpose of being able to give
all the guys the individual care they need, such ace I got.  Corey
there were two Young guys on this trip I went on, one guy was about 25
and the to other was 27.  If you have one half of the amount of
success that these two guys appeared to have you will be clears happy
I a.m. sure.

I will be making to another trip in the Spring.  I met to few
fine ladies, one or two I think could be my future wife ace I a.m.
corresponding with these ladies often ace I get to know dwells about
them and there lives.

By Fred Walter (Fred1) on Saturday, August 04, 2001 - 05:26
p.m.:

Scott,

I got the flat thru the Firstdream agency, I dealt with Jack.
His to number is (you remove)


By Fred Walter (Fred1) on Thursday, March 15, 2001 - 09:37
a.m.:

Hello Dave, the fastfox,

This is Fred, when will you be in Odessa?  Plows you going to
Kiev?  When you plows in for Odessa will you have to way someone to
reach you?

I talked with Jack to over the weekend and there am said
there am thought you were going to the social Firstdream.  If under
several I hope you will take photos and give me to report when you get
back.

Ok, I a.m. packing my bags now, trying to get out of here.

Fred

By Fred Walter (Fred1) on Friday, July 13, 2001 - 04:48 p.m.:

I don't know this Mark who there are to girlfriend named Is
Wrath there am an American guy?  Does there am post on this board?

Deal What's the with Mark, you have there am started the
fiancee sights process?

I have heard that Chernovtsy, like Lugansk, is to City that
one there are to be very careful in.  There plows supposed to be to
couple of major scam agencies there.  Hope Mark is being careful.

By Fred Walter (Fred1) on Sunday, October 28, 2001 - 04:09
p.m.:

Thanks Ben,

Is will have to save what you just wrote and go to over
everything slowly when I have to little dwells Time, but I do really
appreciate the effort.

Unforgettable I just returned to few weeks ago from to most
two weeks in Odessa and Kiev.  I went with to company that offers to
smaller, dwells personalized group tours.  There were 10 of U.S. in
Odessa and 12 in Kiev.  I have to never met under many beautiful,
sincere ladies in all my life.  Is think about half the guys found to
wonderful woman that they plows in the process of getting to for visa.
For I came away with really good feelings three ladies I met and a.m.
writing and corresponding with.  I will see how things go


By Fred Walter (Fred1) on Monday, June 18, 2001 - 04:51 p.m.:


Hello Apex,

Social ace I indicated in my last post regarding my first, to
after thinking about the events of the second lady and the third lady,
I would be repeating myself.

What good was it going to do to tell that when I met the
second lady it was much the same thing, to Young beautiful woman who
was under interested in me, the 23 years difference meant nothing. {
and I a.m. trying to convience myself she is right and this
relationship could work } The evening ended with this lady NOT going
to my hotel room.  Then the third day of the social Apex again I find
myself with to another fine Young woman with only 21 years difference
in our age.

This several lady I ended up spending the next days with,
well until I came home.  Several, several I made mistakes.  Several I
did not meet ladies and when the socials were to over, I had this one
lady and it was to either to her, to for sure thing, or just pale
around with the to other 5 or 6 guys who didn't have ladies.  I
elected to spend Time with to her.

Apex, one side of my brain was telling these ladies to me
weren't real and the to other side of my brain was telling me that,
well, maybe she is real.  Maybe I a.m. lucky and I found to wonderful
woman who is really crazy about me.

The truth of the to matter is there were many, many social
scammers.  There were many Young, to slender, sexy women, just
beautiful women, and they were all interested in U.S..  Then you had
many beautiful 34 28 ladies whom were from about to who were not
dressed clears sensual ace, whose dresses were not ace short, these
ladies were to little dwells reserved, but STUPID Fred and most the to
other guys ignored these ladies for the Young, tight, shaplely foxes.

Everytime I look back on the events I dog just kick myself in
the ass.

The experience was AT least to good to teacher.  Is promise
it will not happen again.

Under Apex, sense I really saw little in completeing the
story.  Many of the experienced guys around here knew exactly what I
was doing, ace they had seen, or been involved with the same
situation.

Social I really hope that my report on my fall will be dwells
interesting.  I have started developing to game plan and a.m. under
excited I dog hardly wait.  Three months, thirteen days, 21 hours, 33
you make a draft to go, but whose counting!

The used to car conman jack Bragg, you have been caught on
numerous boards posting to under many alias's, trying to self promote
his scam agency with fake testimony,

:  This guy is to conman, to roll, and will you use any and
all deceit there am dog to make to dollar, noncMatter WHO, OR WHAT I
HAVE THERE ARE TO DO.

:  there am was caught posting ace Fred Walter on the RWG
board

:  Jack posted on to another site, to under to another one of
his alias's " Ralph " trying to act like there am was
not the to owner of First Dream.

:  There am did this for clears some Time, trying to give
false endorsements to his own agency.  There am did this until there
am got caught doing it on to third site.

:

:

:  and now there am is trying to put out the fires by posting
his defense (it dwells lies) on the planet Jack love site.

:  Word of advice, do not do business with someone who spins
under many webs of lies, that there am cant even keep up with it all.


:  Jack Bragg is to conman, do not trust this trust him.

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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Jack, Sorry, You're Way Off This Tim..., posted by TomR. on Feb 11, 2002

drew baby/Paul, Steve, Bill, Sven, Lars, Jerry, Carl, Karl, Eddie, Brad, Embarrassed Also, Get a life, Doug, Dave, Anonymous,Paul, George, Warren, Trent, Chris, Tim, L.D,. I.D., James, Rick, the truth, Net, jj, Patrick, Jack, Jack is a crook, the real Jack, Jack is a scum bag, Slava, Dmitry, Wilson, Shane Harris, PI, Johnson, TomR, if it's not asking for too much, can you at least offer some proof as to your claims, please, if it's not asking too much. Please offer any proof at all that I am Fred. Or heck, while your at it, can you offer any proof that I am James, or Yoe, daNde, BarryM, etc, etc.
Try to come up with proof like I have with the following,.....

And drew baby, speaking of telling the truth, please explain the following,.....

.........Drew 209.245.207.251 June 6 2001, 3:04 PM
I give my real name, I give my email address,I say that I am agency owner, I do not hide behind anything, Yet he post (as always under many differnt names, never giving his email address.

..........Bill 209.245.193.192 April 26 2001, 6:21 PM
I am interested in finding out more about your agency, as I am corresponding with a lady from Chernovtsy now, and would prefer to not meet only one lady, (while I am there), where can I get some more information from you? such as cost and etc..?

..........Drew 209.245.193.192 Bill, just send me a email April 26 2001, 8:02 PM
Bill, I would be happy to help you, or or answer any question's you might have. Just email me direct at drew@acade

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T.
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to HE'S BACK !, posted by Jack on Feb 11, 2002

Jack bragg starting arguments again,  with more lies

Arguments, Spamming, lies, alias's, childish name calling


99 % of the crud on this board would not happpen it it were
not for

the ConMan spinning his Web of lies.

Jack should be banned from this board

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Jack
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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Jack, Sorry, You're Way Off This Time, posted by coaster881 on Feb 11, 2002

Coaster, I have NEVER mentioned you in any post I have ever made on the P-L board. I suggest you go back and read thourghly. Please show me ONE place where I have ever mentioned you or Drew/Paul, Steve, Bill, Sven, Lars, Jerry, Carl, Karl, Eddie, Brad, Embarrassed Also, Get a life, Doug, Dave, Anonymous,Paul, George, Warren, Trent, Chris, Tim, L.D,. I.D., James, Rick, the truth, Net, jj, Patrick, Jack, Jack is a crook, the real Jack, Jack is a scum bag, Slava, Dmitry, Wilson, Shane Harris, PI, Johnson, TomR in the same post, YOU CAN'T!  

Sorry Coaster, you are way off this time and I expect a full apology from you.

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Truth
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Coaster, posted by Jack on Feb 11, 2002

Jack starting arguments again

Arguments, Spamming, lies, alias's, childish name calling


99 % of the crud on this board would not happpen it it were

not for

the ConMan spinning his Web of lies.


Jack should be banned from this board

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