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Author Topic: My personal recomendation only !  (Read 24857 times)
Mike
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« on: January 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
For those of you wanting to meet the lady of your dreams I suggest just going there ( any country ) and try a combination of meeting girls via the internet, and try meeting ladies there naturally. You may not be lucky on your first trip, ( like I was )But you will get a feel for things. By doing this you will not be disapointed by failure, but will gain much needed knowledge in the search for a life long partner.
Mike
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ChipShot
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to My personal recomendation only !, posted by Mike on Jan 14, 2002

Mike:

Where did you travel to, that made it easy to meet women casually? I'm just curious if it was big city or small, or Russia or Ukraine?

Chip
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Mark H
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to My personal recomendation only !, posted by Mike on Jan 14, 2002

I agree wholeheartedly with your post, but do have some reservations. If you're not a strong guy you will benefit from the help of an agency. I think it's an individualized thing. I've made 4 trips alone and one with an agency. Agencies have their place and can make your life easier. The key is to pick a good agency. Smile.

Mark H.
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ChipShot
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: My personal recomendation only !, posted by Mark H on Jan 14, 2002

n/t
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Ryan
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to My personal recomendation only !, posted by Mike on Jan 14, 2002

If you go with an agency everything is spoon-fed to you.  You look at the pictures you pay the money you go to the agency parties more meet and greet.  No time to take a breath.  No I have no experience doing that but I feel just by looking at it that there is little room for getting to really know someone or getting to know the people or even a little custom of these people.  You have to weed through the professional daters and the scammers.  And if you have never been to the Ukraine like I have it seems to me you would be a sure setup to lose more money that is necessary.  Just my feelings on this issue, I have read other posts here and actually have been over to the Ukraine myself.  
Ryan
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MarkInTx
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Ok... My thoughts are..., posted by Ryan on Jan 14, 2002

Lemme get this straight...

You spent $4000 to meet a scammer... and you want to give us all advice?

Hmmm... seems to me that if I spent that much and ended up with a scammer, my posts would start out:

"DON'T do what I did. It didn't work out at all!"

I'm glad you enjoyed yourself, and all... but hookers are cheaper in the states, ya know...

I mean... really... unless you have a large amount of cash that you are just dying to give away... you can meet a scammer for a lot less.

Just pick out a good ol' scam site (my favorite: www.babesmatch.com... just loaded with "sincere" and scantily clad women) Write to one of them. (Cost $10). Pay the "Agency" to arrange your trip. (Cost...varies, but probably $2500) And go over, "Have a good time"

And kiss your money and time goodbye.

For those of you who DON'T want to do that... listen to the advice of those like Ken, Patrick, and yes, even Jack, who have DONE this SUCCESSFULLY, and are trying to help...
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micha1
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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Ryan, I gotta admire your chutzpah... bu..., posted by MarkInTx on Jan 14, 2002

You are very hard on him.  He said he lost four grands on a girl, but he doesn't seem mad at her from his post.
He still send money to her to help.
It is my profound beliefs that we all have to make our own  experiences. What is good for one may not be for another guy.
Also, when do we know when we shall fall in love.
This is love we are taking about, not just getting a living partner, if I do understand the goal of this board.
Perhaps the board should change name, from getting a mail order bride in the eastern countries, to fallling in
love in the eastern countries.
I can think of "Blue Angel", which is (was) a form of love.
Another one was "Arthur".     Madame Bovary also, could go on and on.
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Another subject, ok.


Has anybody here read "The Shipping News", because I am reading the book in french, right now, it is call,
"Knots and undoing of knots",  this book is a masterpiece.  After the book, I am going to see the movie.
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KenC
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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Ryan, I gotta admire your chutzpah... bu..., posted by MarkInTx on Jan 14, 2002

Mark,
If Ryan had spent his money on hookers, he would have at least gotten laid instead of crying for pity sex.  The boy has no sense, no maturity and worst of all, no pride.
KenC
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MarkInTx
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to you're wrong Mark, posted by KenC on Jan 14, 2002

Though there is that whole STD thing to think about...
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KenC
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Ok... My thoughts are..., posted by Ryan on Jan 14, 2002

Ryan,
I wish you would quit talking out your butt.  You are way off base with your guesses on how it is to work with an agency.  A good agency will help you in every way you WANT them to help and they will also give you the freedom to have as much personal time as you desire.  A good agency will also be able to give you some idea as to the character, personality and background of the girls you are interested in.  Going over "blind" and trolling for dates is foolish.  I certainly would not travel to the other side of the world with hopes to meet some women without having some definite dates already set up.

I DID work with an agency and was very satisfied with their performance.  I knew my wife before I went to meet her through 2 months of daily phone calls.  The agency also pushed me to meet other women on my trip as a plan B.  This was very smart on their part and very good advice.  As it turned out I didn't need the plan B, but I did meet some other very nice women.  A good agency will be very helpful in introducing you to women they think will be suitable for you.  After that, you have all the freedom to do what you want.  The agency I worked with provided interpreters and a driver 24/7.  The time I didn't spend with my wife, I used them as tour guides and even traveled to Moscow for a day trip.

My advice is that a guy should have a number of women lined up before he travels to the FSU.  These do not have to be serious relationships, but the basics should be established.  You should KNOW that there is a POSSIBILITY of a serious relationship.  You should know that you want to meet the women and that they want to meet you too.  To go over "blind" is foolish because you don't have to do it that way and you always have the opportunity to meet someone at a club, McDonalds or on the street once you are there.
KenC
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Mike
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to wrong, again, posted by KenC on Jan 14, 2002

Maybe one should take notice that the subject was : My personal recomendation only! Perhaps some people are not able to spend a month or two making contacts via the internet, or have never done anything without someone holdng their hand. I can only say that I went to Moscow after playing on the net, making some contacts, and had several back up plans, and was lucky on my first trip ( I never even took the time to meet the contacts I made before going ) and had a heck of a good time, while only spending less then $3000 for a 3 week stay in the center of Moscow, and that included my flight and visa. I had plans to go all over Russia meeting ladies I met over the net, and as soon as I was in Moscow a few days I decided to stay there with my eyes poping out at all the hot ladies I seen everywhere. Half way through my stay my now wife stole my heart in a McDonalds there! Anyway had I not met her, or had I not met other friendly ladies, I still could say I had a great time, and would be much more prepared if a second trip was needed.

No need to step on peoples toes over personal recomendations.

Mike
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KenC
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: wrong, again, posted by Mike on Jan 14, 2002

Mike,
First of all my post was directed at Ryan's comments.  I took exception to his view that agencies restrict the time you have to spend with someone you want to get to know better.  His general attitude is that all agencies are bad and all agency owners are pimps is simply wrong.  Please note that Ryan has spent a total of 10 days in Ukraine and has never delt with an agency.  His trip was futal because the one woman he went to see (who he had previously sent $4K) couldn't stand to even be alone with him.  How this experience can put him in any position to advise anyone, is beyond me.  I will continue to jump on the mis-information that he posts.

As for your experience, I say great!  You can meet the woman of your dreams ANYWHERE.  But even you had a back up plan.  I went to meet the one woman I was interested in.  We fell madly in love and have been married for almost 3 years now.  That was great for us, but the likelyhood of THAT scenareo happening for someone else is slim at best. You and I were lucky, others may not have such good luck.  They may have to have a better plan and not rely on just luck.
KenC
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Zink
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: wrong, again, posted by Mike on Jan 14, 2002

I think his post was directed at Ryan not you. And some guys can pull off more independant trips. It depends on the person. I could do an independant trip now. I don't think I could've have a year ago. I didn't know what I was getting into. I just put my faith in my girl and away I went. It could have been bad if she hadn't helped me so much. I did have the agency for backup but she did most of the work.

I've also been told that it's a lot easier for foreigners to get around in Moscow than other Russian cities. I know that in my 3 months in Russia I only met a handful of people who spoke any English. Most of them were in Moscow.
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Mike
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Re: wrong, again, posted by Zink on Jan 14, 2002

I appologize, I thought it was directed at me.

I must say I have not traveled outside of Moscow when I was there, and you are most likely correct about how easy it is for a forigner in Moscow, because it seemed very easy to meet ladies that spoke English, or at least knew a little.

I did go independent and used no agencies, but I did have a translator meet me at the airport and she was always a phone call away if I was to need her. She was a BIG help the first 2 days while I got to learn the basics of the city, and where to go, and how to travel around. I think having someone there in the begining is a must. It can be a girl you have wrote to, or a translator, but the main thing is to always have a back-up plan for everything, and an independent trip can be very rewarding and hassle free!

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MarkInTx
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »
... in response to wrong, again, posted by KenC on Jan 14, 2002

Ken is giving good advice....

And he's not just pumping Firstdream here, since he actually used a different agency.

The point stands, though. A good agency is VERY valuable.

I cannot imagine what my last trip to Russia would have been like without help...
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