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Author Topic: Winners or Losers?  (Read 6555 times)
KenMan
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« on: November 24, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

I'll tell you what gang... you people really are UPTIGHT! Relax, loosen up, enjoy life, SMILE a little bit! :-). I hope to God when I get into my late 40's and 50's little things like a message board ( and people who I do not know or see ) will not upset me. So someone refers somethings as "the", so someone has a marriage agency and has an opinion. It is the attacks and misunderstanding that is so goofy and funny for me. I think Dan knows how to intelligently explain something. But if it irritates you? My God, I feel real sorry for you. It is always hot in the summer and cold in the winter. I found one thing out in life. Good people except people for who they are and life for what it is. Regardless of the imperfections. You people will never get perfection out of this world. That is a fact. Don't worry be happy. I can hardly wait for the attacks and insults on this post. :-)............ grumpy old men? I sure hope not!
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LP
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Winners or Losers?, posted by KenMan on Nov 24, 2001

...and no hard feelings KenMan. I understand you're trip was an eye opener, it usually is. I don't get wound up much about people here because I realize I'm often misunderstood and I know thats *my* fault, not theirs.

lol..Except for my buddy Yoey, who I actually have a grudging admiration for, even though it's not for what he may think.

It's just when someone waxes poetic after a single trip, yet fails to educate himself on even the basics ("the" Ukraine), it's a tad annoying. No problem, we all started from the beginning.

Just take it slow, be careful, and listen to those here in the know.

Good luck to you.

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KenMan
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to No flame...., posted by LP on Nov 24, 2001

Not to be insulting but it really was not that big of an eye opener. I have been around enough in this world and have had my share of experiences. At this stage nothing really suprises me. How about you? I mean I see so many women every week ( plenty of beautiful ones ). It is really not that big a deal. Poverty I have seen that too. I specifically went to Lugansk because everyone said that it was dangerous and all the Agencies ( except one were scam ). Now I know human nature and figured it would be untrue. Guess what it was so far from the truth as I expected. You see people usually repeat what they hear and by the time it gets spread around the toy poodle is now an elephant ( just human nature ). People ( and the media ) usually focus on the positives rather than the negatives ( when was the last time you saw the news report only good, happy things? ). That is why I have no T.V. ( for me it is a waste of time! ). Anyways we are what we choose to be in life. Those at peace with themselves have too much going on to be bothered by such silly things as many here seem to be. If you are uptight it will show. I really believe many of you have no sense of humor and take this ( life ) way too serious. Just my opinion of course. Anyways I met a few nice girls and will continue to write. Make another trip or two and see where this all is in another year. I am out to make a good friend. That is all. Isn't that how it is supposed to be? I mean you make a friend, get to know them and after TIME you decide you would like to try marriage. That is how I would do it with an American, Japanese or Ukranian woman. I really see not much difference than language and a few small cultural ones. Basically people are the same inside with the same needs and wants. No this was not an eye opener I have been around the block once or twice myself. For what it is worth my father works for NSA so I know a little more about the military and world affairs than you give me credit for. But you as others like to think they are the expert and know everything. You see I work and meet hundreds of people a week and what I know is human nature and people. You and many others ( and I don't mean to be insulting ) have a condensending air and think you are better than others. I do not believe that is true. For me I love and like all people and accept them for who they are. As far as the chess school it was a joke. I made my donation. It was just to show how cheap many on this board are. See my plan is to meet someone from Scam City. Someone who does not know English. Pay for their translation fees and English lessons. I hope to find a diamond in the rough. the majority of men here would not even think of paying for these expensives. They want someone who speaks fluent English and can pay for their own internet expense. Why look in "the" Ukraine I ask... the the was a joke ( or is it a band? ). But I do appreciate your tone. Kehhet
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thesearch
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: No flame...., posted by KenMan on Nov 24, 2001

The ladies I know in Lugansk tell me it IS DANGEROUS for foreigners. I think they know -they live there - they have told me the stories. It does mean not go but have respect.

I guess you will figure it out if a shark takes one of your legs. But, for right now you are only speaking of the fact that you swam in the waters and as of yet did not even see much of a shark that was a threat. Let me tell you, you are not doing the breast stroke in a swimming pool over there.

You attitude could get you in trouble - only because you are not respecting reality. Now you must understand, I am not one to be afraid either. I just repect what I have been told by those who know. I have had connections with Lugansk for over two years.

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KenMan
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LP
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: No flame...., posted by KenMan on Nov 24, 2001

You see there are what I call personality traits. You know basic psychology and they are easy to see. When I said my good friend was from Afghanistan you had to say that you live near the BIGGEST Afghan community. As though this made you better and more knowledgeable. The guy who said the word "the" written before Ukraine. Well if little things like that irritate you I would hate to imagine how you handle life's real problems. OK I know when it was the Soviet Union it was spelled with "the" and know it is spelled without. And what happens if they are accepted in the E.U. in 5 years? How will we spell it then? And what if they never are accepted in the E.U.? Personally trait well mine is "Frankly I don't give a darn!" Here is a story. When I was in Kiev I was eating dinner with a lady in a nice restaurant. I accidently spilled a glass of orange juice all over my lap. I did not flinch, move or get up. I figured what else can I do but sit there and let it dry up. I acted as though it was normal. The waitresses kind of smiled and laughed and so did I. Guess what. It eventually dryed up. I figured if the girl liked me she would have thought it was cute. Get it? She would have accepted me for who I am. Something you people need alot to work on! Just my opinion of course :-) Spilling drinks and things is part of life. Children do it and so do grown adults from time to time. Shiz happens such is life. I did not find it much different in Ukraine than elsewhere in the world. But that is just the color of glasses I wear. Rose tinted of course. What I do find humorous is the seriousness and nature of this board. Not unexpected just funny! Again my attitude with this is "boyz just want to have fun!" I had a fun vacation and look forward to another one!!! Maybe I will go to Vietnam or Costa Rica? No. I will probably visit "my friends" in Ukraine. Better?
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LP
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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to LP, posted by KenMan on Nov 24, 2001

...Your trip was an eye opener in the respect that the city was not as you heard. Then again, how can you come to this conclusion after a single experience? That alone should make you step back and take another look.

Btw yes, at this stage I'm constantly surprised by many things as I'm not *that* arrogant. You aren't surprised?? Hmmmm. And if you see so many beautiful women every week, why are you looking abroad? Are you another A/W hater? Geez, I hope not, they're the sorriest bunch around here.

Many guys here have paid for English lessons. I myself have forked over a lot for this, including girls who I knew would not go far with me. It wasn't much and I know it'll help them later in life. Many here are not
as tight as you imagine, though some are. There are guys here who have, in the name of kindness, spent far more than you will and received nothing more than the satisfaction of helping someone.

Yes, I can be condesending but it's not my intent. It's mostly a lack of tact based on a desire to communicate the information effectively. I'm aware it needs "adjustment", I'm working on it. (I've heard it before, so it must be true.) It comes from having little tolerance for people who whine and do nothing to change their lot in life. The fact is all of us *are* better than others, just in different ways. It's not vanity, simply confidence in one's own abilities. And when it comes to FSU knowledge, many here are "better" than others, including you.

As for taking life too "seriously", that equates very well to your statement that life is what we make it. Some of us need to take it seriously and when it comes to this endeavor, you should also. It isn't a game, ya know. Rose colored glasses? Yikes, I wouldn't be boasting about that. It's a strange statement to make coming from a guy who has claimed to have "been around the block" a few times. Then again I suppose some of us can afford that perspective, I'm afraid I have too much general life experience to permit it.

I disagree on your accepting people for who they are. Well, maybe strangers or those you don't have a choice in dealing with. When it comes to those you *do* have a choice with, like friends, there are two schools of thought.

Accept them regardless of their qualities or lose them and find better. It all depends on what the problem is. You wouldn't associate with drug dealers or criminals would you? One can carry that basic idea a little further and be more selective about human qualities. Does this belief translate into being "better"? I don't know, but it's been a long time since I've tried to make life up as I go along.

I personally feel that one should make an effort to surround one's self with quality people. People who share common goals and viewpoints, people who approach life the same way as myself. It sounds cold and it's much more complicated that what I'm trying to explain, but we *all* do it on some level. Relationships that don't measure up to our values are discarded, those that do are cultivated. We all do it, even if we won't admit it. I simply pay a little bit more attention to it's depth.

I tried it your way and it doesn't work, at least for me. The bad folks drag me down and I've had enough struggles without needing their "help". lol...As I'm fond of saying: "If you like me, tell your friends. If your friends like me, get new friends".

Not to be insulting either, but your plan to find a non English speaking girl, ect, is maybe biting off more than you can chew. Why would you stack the odds when you don't have to? What are you trying to prove? What makes you feel the "diamonds" are neccesarily those that speak no English? Seems to be very strange logic to me, but it's your ballgame.

Seems to me you're allowing your knowledge of human nature gained at home to taint your methods abroad. I agree that people are all pink inside, but to state it's nothing but a few "language and cultural" issues shows you have something to learn and, if you follow through on your plan, learn you will. I also noted you're from the South. This alone will widen the gap even further as your "culture" is unique amoung the rest of America. (lol...btw, this is from a Yankee. :-)

It's been said here before that there is no one right way to go about this. Maybe so, but there sure are many wrong ways. I wish you luck, but me thinks you need to go slowly and think it through.

Finally, I wouldn't boast to much about the NSA. After the largest failure of the intelligence and law enforcement community in history, along with the actions taken since, it's far from their finest hour.

Then again, that's just my opinion. So long.

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KenMan
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Well then,...., posted by LP on Nov 24, 2001

Well at least we are talking intelligently to each other. As far as the South I was raised in the North but have lived here for the past 10 years. I do like this way of life and people. Especially the New Orleans unpretentious attitude. I love those people. I have no interest in going back North ( I prefer not to visit if at all possible ). You know what? The majority of the New Yorkers in Florida I know feel the same way. I kind of feel sorry for thay way of life because they don't know any better. You know the attacking and insulting of people you do not know. But this is just my view after living in both worlds ( and many others would agree ). As far as NSA well I think the lawyers did them in when they stopped them from spying on Mainland U.S.A. They had been doing a phenomenial job for many years but with the Cold War over the courts had nothing else better to do. Sometimes we have and want so much freedom that we lose all common sense. Well I'll tell you what they took the hand cuffs off them in a hurry after the WTC bombing ( didn't they! ). No, blame are civil rights, the lawyers and the courts not NSA ( but you should know this as intelligent as you are!!! ). Yes, I am very proud of my father and the work of NSA. Lets hope they will catch up and continue to do the great work they had in the past! As far as American women I love them. This is just a curiousity of mine. I am approaching it like my girl friends here. Respect them and have fun. Anyways I am not so hung up about making mistakes ( I could care less ). I have a budget and time frame. I will just see what happens. I have enjoyed myself so far and when the fun stops I do.
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DE
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Well then,...., posted by LP on Nov 24, 2001

but another one of your fine posts.  And I truly liked the saying about if your friends like me, find new friends.  LOL  I will have to steal that one!
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LP
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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2001, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Not to pat you on the back,...., posted by DE on Nov 24, 2001

....I gratefully accept all the non patting I can get, it doesn't happen often. :-)
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