Life is a Yoe Yoe.....

[yoe]

1. do not marry a RW she will take your money
so can AW
2. do not trust RW they only want a free ride
so can AW
3. RW lie
so can AW
4. get to know them first
how many have been married or dated for many years and still not know their partner
5. never send money
do you pay for your dates with AW?
I can go on and on and on but you guys are so wrapped up in this scamm thing.............WHY ARE YOU EVEN HERE. I am here because I KNOW BETTER. yes my situation may be isolated-------BUT IT CAN WORK and it did.
Will it last........if I knew that I would be charging $1.99 a minute for 'psycho' readings (for you lp)
The funny thing is, the only thing people know of me here si hwat they have interpreted me saying-------and mostly my words are misconstued.
I say my wife cleans......she likes it
I say my wife cooks.....she likes it
my wife irons......she does not like it
my wife works////////she wanted it
WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND.........as far as sex-----I have never brought up our sex life
So while I am speaking of experience that happens to be good-people would rather throw this information out the window and accept words of doom...........it amazes me how people think. I deal with it everyday. I pray for my competition to come to the table with all the reasons why things cannot be done and what risks are invovled-----it has made me a lot of money.
Rememeber that hiipie freak John Lennon-their are no problems only solutions........
am I a loser because I know many Russian womem who are not only fine decent people but who are above and beyond the caliber of women I have met in many circles? or am I a loser beacause I refuse to take shyt as anything less than a flowerbed waiting to bloom.
I am sorry guys but I truly am happy and my life realy is wonderful and my wife and I do work togther. And yes it is hard sometimes. If you have so many worries........leave THIS board now-----there are many AW dating sites right in your home town or vicinity. WHAT IN THE HE11 ARE YOU DOING HERE//////////??
Anyway, I am sorry that some ofo you have taken my words wrongly. and these things that are said about me are not true. My email is listed if anyone would like to write me personally.
I post mainly to those guys who do not respond but have genuine intersts and sit back quietly and try to sort these things out. I have recieved many emails from these guys. So again, good luck to all in their searches. Lp was right on one things-----I have nothing to lose. All things I have are just things.........they are all gifts from life and nothing I claim ownership of. If it burns up tomorrow I will surivive.
if my wife wants it.........fine.........I bought most of it for us anyway.
it is too that people put a price tag on happiness......
Joe

[slimjimco]

... in response to Life is a Yoe Yoe....., posted by yoe on Oct 15, 2001

Hang in there.  Yoe is a survivor.  That makes you ten feet tall and bullet proof.

[yoe]

... in response to Up and down, and hanging on by a string., posted by slimjimco on Oct 15, 2001

where ya been.......are you livin one day at a time?
sometimes people just won't let us let go of the past. But we know better huh Jimbo?
Good to see ya
hope all is well
Joe

[slimjimco]

... in response to Hey you ole' dog......., posted by yoe on Oct 15, 2001

Planning to pick up my Olynka (don't know when) in Chicago, stay there for a few days (compare the Art Institute to the Hermatage) and take a week touring back to the HIGH GROUND.  I live ON the Continental Divide. (west slope) I plan on showing her a little USA before we slow down for a few months.  Is Terra Haute (sp?) worth a stopover?   wintrpk@winterparkweb.com  Pox, Jim

[yoe]

... in response to DA, for some poor folks (and all trolls)..., posted by slimjimco on Oct 15, 2001

let me know
Joe

[RusWife]

... in response to Life is a Yoe Yoe....., posted by yoe on Oct 15, 2001

Hey Joe

Don't see anything you have to be sorry about. You pulled it out, found your wife and sound like both of you guys are happy. I am sure  your attitude is more helpful to your wife - sense of humor is the best thing during difficult times of adjustment in the foreign country.

As for the slave thing - made me laugh... I don't see anything wrong in going an extra mile for the person you care about. One day it's me, another day it's my husband helping me. If someone considers it a slavery - than you are right, joe, why bother marrying someone in the first place?

Anyways, just wanted to tell you that someone's bitter opinion does not matter a thing when you are happy. I know you know that yourself Not everything is easy when you want your relationship to work and when you don't expect someone else to make you happy. But the reward certainly worthes every effort.

Take care,

RW

[yoe]

... in response to Re: Life is a Yoe Yoe....., posted by RusWife on Oct 15, 2001

out of any opinion on this board, yours would mean the most. You have always shown such grace and diplomacy. I do not have such a gift........but I do have a sense fo humor and my wife most definitely does. as you know she must. thank your for breaking rank and as always showing a truly objective and thoughtful post. I truly do appreciate it. this is a quality I haev found in many RW. I do not like to stereotype but the RW around me all have enormouse social ediquette and responsibility.
I had three wonderful RW over to the house last night-they are a wonderful group of girls. They and my wife want to go to a 'male dance' routine for her birthday..........I offered my service and they just laughed--------I did not know how to take that.
any I trust them 100%-in their opinions, their actions, and that they would never have anything but good intentions regarding their friends and family.
thanks again
Joe

[LP]

... in response to Ironically,,,,,,, posted by yoe on Oct 15, 2001

....Yeah, I'd be objective too if I was the one holding the gun. If she decides to pull the divorce trigger on the guy who married her, she'll be the one holding all the cards. She's got nothing to worry about, she'll be the one who'll come out on top.

Of course in her eyes, that will never happen because like all women, she's a mass of conflicting logic and her dreamer pie in the sky attitude smacks of a lack of long term experience. I'd love to know what motivated her husband to look towards the FSU, I suspect he's a classic case. She's objective?....no shiyt!

lol...As is often pointed out by those of intelligence, A/W get beat up when they post here, while R/W get glorified. Hmmm...wonder why that is? Time to get the kool-aid....

She also missed my point completely. I also see nothing wrong with going the extra mile, the point I was making is the domestic crap is all you ever mention, so it's clear those priorites must be high for you, or at least you seem to think they are important enough to others to keep bringing them up.

And *why* in the heck do you keep equating happiness with having *any* wife? I'm perpetually puzzeled by this. I know many single people who are "truely" happy, to use your words. Thats the point I've been trying to make, many here are unstable introverts who seem *wholly* dependent on another for their happiness. This is a basic flaw in their makeup, and you seem to share it big time, or you wouldn't keep mentioning it.

Just because you or some others here are so codependent that they simply *must* have someone to be "happy", doesn't mean the rest of us are like that. Happiness has *nothing* to do with being married and not much to do with having a mate. I'll admit, it's nice, but if you define happiness this way, you've got some real issues to deal with.

I'm plenty happy with the way things are, I haven't been married in 24 years, while *never* living alone the entire time, until recently. If I had married any of the three women I've lived with in the last 24 years I would have been in deep trouble. My "problem" with these women was simple. I refused to marry them because they were all much younger than me, You see, I know better.

I'm about to repeat that process again, and I need not marry so I don't have to worry about the risks at all. I get to have my cake and eat it too and most of the guys here would prefer to do the same. They could too, if they would just go and do it.

I'll take a high quality "non" R/W I *dont* have to marry *anyday* over some R/U/W I don't know well and *have* to marry. If guys can't get one, maybe they should look at the real problems, because they will fail with *any* woman unitl they do. The trolls are more correct than most are willing to admit. Just because one goes to the FSU and brings one back (no big effort, really) doesn't mean he is this kind of guy, but more than likely he is. How about you?
Were you "happy" before? Did you have problems with A/W before? Do you blame them? Can you be honest with yourself, or us?

One last thing Yoe. I notice you consistently dodge all requests regarding the details of your search and marriage. I'm sure we would all be interested in them, so why not spill it? Tell us *why* you went there, what were your past "problems" with A/W? (Notice I say "your" problems, don't blame the girls.)

How long did you look? How many times did you travel to the FSU and, specifically, how many times did you meet your wife in person before you did the K1, and what was the timeline for all of it from beginning until her arrival?

How long have you been married? Tell us about your "success", because I'm willing to bet the *shortest* of my live in unmarried arrangements was at least *twice* as long as your "success" thus far. And the longest would beat you by a mile. Success isn't measured by a couple of years you know.

Tell us something relevant for once, instead of stroking those limited perspective but political empowered souls who agree with your off the wall opinions.

[KenC]

... in response to lol...objective?, posted by LP on Oct 15, 2001

LP,
You have hit upon another great point: if a person "needs" another to be happy, they have some issues to deal with.  The whole codependent idea is very relevant here.  Too many unhappy guys are looking for a RW to "fix" their personal shortcomings.  They jump right out of the frying pan into the fire.  

Personally, I was pretty dam happy with my life before I met my wife.  Don't get me wrong, she has enhanced my life in ways I could never explain and I would never trade what I have now for what I had before her.  But the fact remains that I was content before I met her.  Actually, I think I was a lot like you are, LP, not interested in getting married.  Why screw up a good life style?  I had very specific criteria and high standards in regard to women.  I was sure that I never would come upon one that would be a "good fit" for me.  But that was OK, too.  I was never going to lower my standards or change my criteria.  The funny thing about having this kind of attitude is that it attacks women like crazy.  I never had a problem filling my dance card, as I am sure you, LP, do not either.

In an earlier post, you said that live in relationships are the same as being married.  No way are you correct on that one.  The lack of commitment changes everything.

I also agree that it is sickening how some posters here gush all over posts made by FSU women.  Nothing they write can be challenged without being considered a bully.  That type of thinking is very strange to me.  I wonder how stable these "suck ups" are.  I say this, but at the same time I will say that Russian Wife is a pretty reasonable and good poster here and always has been.
KenC

[yoe]

... in response to lol...objective?, posted by LP on Oct 15, 2001

you are now bordering on David SD lunacy. anything that does not fir you MO is nonsense-----kinda like those 'pilots' on Sept 11........they were a little strengent on their belief system too. Now you are insulting women who have said nothing 'bad' about you, to you , or anything negative at all-------that is the difference between the RW and AW who post here. The AW make assessments on all who are here without regard or fact-much like you are doing now.  If you read this kind ladies post-she does not follow anyone's MO-not mine not yours-just here own 'honest' feelings. And people are not blind. they see what you have done--------and it is ROTTEN. You have become such a dissapointment mty friend. I at least you had enough class not to attack a woman on your obsession benge with me. If you want me SPORT take it off-line. You got my email..........you have crossed the line. never ever have I let a bully smack a woman-verbally or physically. I am so livid by your disgraceful actions I refuse to reduce my self to your level----------you want to attack me ATTACK ME.
JOSEPH

[Dan]

... in response to Whe are you going to learn ole buddy......., posted by yoe on Oct 15, 2001

Do not change the fact that you have failed to address any one of LP's appropriately-placed questions to you. He has asked you to provide some shreds of credibility to your constant stream of Utopia-ish threads. I'd like to hear your story too. How about it Joe - offer the guys on the board something substantive to work with - instead of the ongoing drivel about how good you have it?

Your characterization of LP as "bordering on DavidSD lunacy" demonstrates either; a) how little you really know about DavidSD's lunacy, or b) how desparately you wish to obfuscate the fact that you have seldom, if ever, provided any truly useful messages to readers of this board. If you are of the opinion that simply making appearances to announce that you are married to a lovely domestic RW is enough to provide inspiration - well, that would show just how shallow you are.

Look. I, and most other guys on this board, are really happy to have people on the board that are sharing their lives with women from the FSU. The guys here have REAL questions - about introductions, travel, cultural issues, language difficulties, acclimatization, education and countless other issues. If you would be so kind as to offer some REAL examples and assistance in the manner of a KenC or Brian - or JonF and JohnK (as infrequently as they appear these days) - I suspect your 'stock in trade' would improve dramatically.

Joe, I am reminded of the Shane Neff post accusing this board of being "butterflies and lace" (or some such insult). Unfortunately, your sort of posts only contributes to such perceptions.

- Dan

[yoe]

... in response to Evasions and Obfuscations . . ., posted by Dan on Oct 15, 2001

you have for lp or if it the fact that you too cannot bear to live with the fact the Joe I happily married to a RW. Ask Mdantee if he has seen our photo; ask Jack; StanB recognized  the Ritz Carlton in Maui where we were on our honeymoon immediately......
If you want to be a fool with this this cheap shop fire away-------I am bullit proof and hae nothing to hide. But I will be  dammed if I am going to open the door to the looney bin and let you guys into my personal life. the proof is in the pudding. There is no doubt about my validity on this board excpet for the blind fools who want to listen to folly and lies. Afgain......I have my email....listed
Joe

[Dan]

... in response to I have no idea the affection......., posted by yoe on Oct 15, 2001

Does that attach some credibility - or is it your perception it does? What's your point Joey?

I'm not attacking you. I am simply asking - as I have asked of you in the past - for some reason(s) to believe your effusive gushing.

I never said I did not believe you. I *did* say that your posts are not helpful to the guys on the board that want to learn from you. I've also said that the majority of posts - while occasionally entertaining - are conspicuously absent any real investment of thought and intellect (probably in different words - but you get the drift).

That's my issue - along with your evasions when questions about your 'process' are posed directly. What've you got to hide Joey?

- Dan

[LP]

... in response to I have no idea the affection......., posted by yoe on Oct 15, 2001

.......skips away, like a flat stone on a pond.

Dan's questions are as valid as mine and I know he is very happy married to his U/W also, so why would be unable to "stand" that you are. I'm happy for you too, and it obviously doesn't take much to accomplish that.
Kee-rist, I'm very happy with my new squeeze also, so whats the problem?

Come on Yoey. I have no obsession about you. Really.
You're just one goffy mother will nothing much to provide except entertainment and I suppose we need that, but you need to limit your other "insights" unless you can back them up.

I don't think anyone here doubts your situation, where did you get that idea? We're simply interested in the how and why of how it all came to be.

That's what most other folks offer here, why are you so gunshy about telling us how you met, how you went about it, etc?

We're not asking for anything private. Lighten up and tell us what everyone else has here, so we can all undderstand *your* MO.

[RusWife]

... in response to lol...objective?, posted by LP on Oct 15, 2001

Hello LP,

Wow! That's interesting, you certainly brought some excitement to my busy day at work.... Why so much anger? I thought loooong time ago we agreed that I do not share or even understand your ideas and I am OK with it. I am also happy the way things are in my life and I understand your different point of view, why start name calling?

For some reason now you are falling for another extreme - according to you there is no even a chance for a happy Russian-American marriage... Why is that? Aren't you taking too much on yourself as well?

Why did my husband start looking into FSU? You see, you don't even know and already make up staff... He actually never did! I came to USA to study for my master's degree. And yes, I spoke English and had a good job in Russia, my own apartment and everything you can name....

If I decide to pull the gun... Well, don't have intentions so far. Ok, let's see what are my options.... Considering that we both started from the scratch as we are only five years apart - house is in our both names, savings are done from our paychecks. I am sure he will be making more in a couple years with all the nice airline pay-increase, but you know yourself that airline jobs are very unstable now as well. So, who knows.... I have very interesting job which pays very well and there are numerous opportunities here.  

I might be unexperienced, romantic mass of conflicting logic, but at least I am content and happily married NOW (cr**, I don't even know if I will be alive in five years, so who cares about all the experience and records of married life?)...

Sorry, LP, you did not convince me. Now I have to go back to my miserable life here and better start planning my divorce.... But my husband is such a nice guy,,,,, can I keep him for another year??? )

Cheers,

RW