City vs. Village/Streets vs. Tours

[Quasimoto]

One of my best friends in Kyiv just me my fiancee for the first time yesterday, and here is what he had to say about the village vs. city women.

"You know Steve, you can not find such a woman in the city without much difficulty. Tanya is not corrupted by the life, problems, greed, and attitudes of the city like the women I see every day. I think you choose (sic) to look look in the right place."

I knew it when I met her. There was a post below on women of Uzbekistan. I think that the women in these areas and smaller cities are the real gold mine. Can you find a good one in Moscow? I am sure you can. But the odds are less that she has the same character and honesty. But I will say again. I believe in general that the best women are those you meet accidently, on the street. A vendor at a flower stand. My first trip I saw a woman in Lviv selling soft-drinks at a side walk stand. She had no ring on, and she was very shy and absolutely beautiful. She could make the cover of Anastasia or any other publication. She was about 30 I would guess, and very well maintained! But I was too inhibited to say anything to her. I just walked away and kept looking back. She wasn't only quite attractive, but she was really sweet! I also met a woman selling flowers in Kharkov who just knocked my socks off. She was a really pretty petite little blond. Very, very shy, but sweet just like the other gal. She wasn't looking for an American, and I had some problems with my interpreter, or I would have pursued her to the end! I met a really nice gal in the train station that was cute, not beautiful, but cute, who was from western Ukraine. She sold vegetables on the streets of Moscow. She was separated from her children all summer. I am telling you, her disposition and character were first rate. I spent five hours with her, but I did not realize she when her train was leaving, and the next minute she was gone, or I would have gone to see her in Ukraine. After you have been there a few times, I think it is the best way to meet women of real character. Of the 5 women who impressed me the most, 3 were from villages, and 4 of these 5 were on the streets.

Steve

[Rags]

... in response to City vs. Village/Streets vs. Tours, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 17, 2001

I just got back from Kyiv and while walking around Obolon (suburb of Kyiv) with my fiancee saw many incredible ladies. These ladies seemed very approachable (although this always seems to be the case when you are already with someone). The thing that impressed me was that these ladies all seemed to have jobs and lives other than hanging out on Kreshdyk (sp?) drinking beer and looking for someone to take care of them. Just an observation for anyone headed to Kyiv.

[Quasimoto]

... in response to Streets vs. Tours/Agencies, posted by Rags on Oct 19, 2001

Interesting! Which direction is Obolon from Kyiv center?

Steve

[Rags]

... in response to Re: Streets vs. Tours/Agencies, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 19, 2001

North? Upriver between the main river and I assume a series of sloughs and shipping basins. Obolon starts just past that single riser suspension bridge. Four stops from Kreshadyk on red line I think. New Obolon being built is very upscale. Nice beach and river walk. Air much (relatively) better than city center.

I'm talking some REALLY fine lookers and very friendly (with their eyes). Nice selection between 25-32 with or without kids. If you could rent a puppy you would be in like Flynn. Maybe not though as dogs do not seem to get along too well. Probably too protective from being raised in highrises.

I met a couple of V's girlfriends from Obolon (married) and all had great personalities and caracter.

[Quasimoto]

... in response to Re: Obolon, posted by Rags on Oct 19, 2001

Sounds great, but I am taken by a little by little (5'7") gal from Gora. Anyway, thanks for the geo lesson.

Steve

[KenC]

... in response to City vs. Village/Streets vs. Tours, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 17, 2001

Dear Board:
Befoe you accept Steve's advice on seeking FSU women from small villages think about this:

It is difficult enough for a RU/W to make the transition from their country to ours without adding more obsticals to the mix.  Think about taking a woman from the hills of Kentucky (no offense to Kentucky) to your country club.  Or to a business dinner.  You have to understand just how backward some of the small villages are in FSU.  My father in law is from a village and after 30 YEARS in a Russian city of 500,000, he still is almost an outcast.  And his village is only an hour from the city he lives in now!  The culture shock is bad enough without compounding it with a small village woman.  Imagine trying to explain how to use the DVD and surround sound to a woman that was milking goats before.  I am sure there are many great women in villages in the FSU countries.  I am sure some of them could adapt to an American lifestyle.  But this process is difficult enough without adding more difficulties to it.
KenC

[BarryM]

... in response to before you seek out a village girl........., posted by KenC on Oct 17, 2001

That would save me some time mowing grass.
I live in a small town right next to Houston. We have feed stores, farm suppliers, and other evidences of rural life but we have all the urban conveniences just 10 miles away. I'm close enough to Houston to have 1.5Mbps DSL here.

The nice advantage I have is that a big city girl would tolerate the area and enjoy the coziness and a small village girl would not be intimidated by urban stress.
My next door neighbor has chickens and a rooster that crows at 5 am every morning.

I don't think I would have that much of a problem with a small village girl here. My Orthodox Church is only 5 miles away and I have many Russian and Ukrainian friends nearby that could help ease some of the culture shock. One thing about learning to speak Russian and Ukrainian, you can marry a girl who doesn't know English.

-blm

[RickM]

... in response to before you seek out a village girl........., posted by KenC on Oct 17, 2001

What about all those loving and nuturing family values that are present in the village gals???

I gotta laugh on your statement about the poppa from the village.My father-in-law still can't get a grip on the fact yet here that we have few buses here and "everyone' drives autos.But,he sends me a kiss and a choot-choot over the phone always.Very loving people...

I've met and spent time with RW from Moscow and St.Ptsbrg. and their families before meeting my wife who's poppa and family is Armenian and comes from the village 1/2 hour outta city limits.NO COMPARISON to the village gals,they are simply so much less "spoiled" or "complicated" and so much "more" family related.

I suppose it is all in what one is looking for...
I'm extremely happy with the in-laws and wife from the "village"...

[Quasimoto]

... in response to So True Ken...But..., posted by RickM on Oct 18, 2001

Rick, your wife comes from almost identical geogrphical circumstances as my fiancee - one half hour out of the city. You just have to know what you are looking for, have a real clue, and not settle for some cute Ellie Mae Clampet.

Steve

[KenC]

... in response to Re: So True Ken...But..., posted by Quasimoto on Oct 18, 2001

Steve,
Ellie Mae was pretty hot though.  Don't go messing with my pre-teen fantasies.  LOL
KenC

[Quasimoto]

... in response to don't be knocking Ellie Mae!  LOL, posted by KenC on Oct 18, 2001

The reason she was your and my pre-teen fantasy is because she was cute, and we thought we could talk her pants off.

Steve

[KenC]

... in response to So True Ken...But..., posted by RickM on Oct 18, 2001

Rick,
I am happy for you.  I also get along great with the In-Laws.  As I said, my Father in law is a good guy too.  He is rather simple with few goals, but has always been great to me.  My Mother in law is from the city and much more complicated as you say.  She is well educated and much more "worldly".  Her character and morals are of the highest level and she is all about "family first".  There are good and bad people from cities and villages.  It is kind of like making an argument for blonds over brunettes! LOL  
My wife came from a city of 500,000 and was a few hours from Moscow.  It is a combination that worked for me.  Her nurturing and family values are great.  How is your wife doing with regard to acclamating to America?  Best wishes.
KenC

[RickM]

... in response to Re: So True Ken...But..., posted by KenC on Oct 18, 2001

Thanks Ken!!!
Things around here are simply great.The wife hasn't displayed a hint of homesickness yet.She simply loves America and has that Ectaco er-586 in her hands always.It's amazing,she couldn't speak 3 words of English a year ago and now she is talking on the phone,shopping,getting ready for driving lessons,etc...She works hard...

We got a new born due late January so it has not been boring.MY biggest disappointment is that we can't travel back for a little while with the baby on the way.Oh well...

Seems to have been a good topic.Everyone is expressing their different views which means most know what they're looking for and that is great.It is such a pity when one travels so far,spends so much and ends up with things not working out...
Thanks again for the phone card info...Wow!!! What a difference!!!
Best to all...

[Quasimoto]

... in response to before you seek out a village girl........., posted by KenC on Oct 17, 2001

Well all I can say about this is some of it is just not true. My fiancee is from a village of 5,000. She is a customs agent, with 5 years of college education. She lives 30 km from Kyiv. She is very intelligent, learned, sophisticated, cultured, and is the nicest woman 4 of my Ukrainian friends say they have ever met. She does like to cook and especially sew, but I don't think that makes her bad. She is not "a woman from the hills of Kentucky". I have relatives in West Virginia and the Ozarks of southern Misouri, and not offense, but they are HICKS. She does not have a DVD, but she does have a VCR. She never had a cell phone before I bought one for her (she can not receive international calls through the local system), but she can use her Motorola better than I can my Motorola. Of the small city (village girls I have met, none of them seemed like hicks. One of the women I talked about above was from Lviv and not a village. It was a combination of finding attractive (looks and personality) from alternatives to the bigger cities. The two qualities everyone mentions when they talk about Tanya are: sincerity and naturalness.

To say that the women I met are something other than fine ladies, is to say my taste and judgement are in error. Are there women like KenC says? I am sure there are.

Now if anyone here, including Ken, thinks that they are out of my league in sophistication, culture, or knowledge, then perhaps you would like to engage in dialogue about the 6 types of quarks or other astro-physics issues; the major steps and movements in ballet; the origins of jass (jazz), Russian composers; argue the moral lessons of Dostoevsky's literature; Mayan and Aztec archeology; or any other subject you might want to discuss. I am not saying I am like DavidSD and brilliant. But Montana winters are long, and in isolation there is a lot to do besides whittle. So all I am saying is I am a rather cultured man. I prefer women who are smart and cultured. But most important of all, they have to be "real" to get in the door.

Steve

[Cain]

... in response to Re: before you seek out a village girl....., posted by Quasimoto on Oct 17, 2001

"Now if anyone here...."   Now that's a good way to convince people that you're smart.  Especially when the argument would be done on a discussion board with the allmighty information resource at everyones' disposal.  I'm not trying to start a confrontaion with you, just point out the weakness of your challenge.
Are you a physicist?  I wasn't aware of the association between sub-atomic particles and "astro-physics," nor was I aware that anyone that could argue about quantum mechanics would use such an abominable term.