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gutshot327
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« on: October 12, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
I was joined to the match.com web site and I was contacted by a wonderful Russian woman from Murmansk and we hit it off. I started sending her money to come to the United States the only way I could contact her was by e-mail and she has made it to Moscow so I have lost contact with her. She resently e-mailed me from what she said was a central computer in Moscow saying she needed more money so I sent it to her but she has not picked it up yet and that has been over 36hrs. ago. I left a message on her e-mail to call me collect also left control number for the wire so unless she gets her e-mail she has no chance. Could the Russian embassey being closed be the problem or where else would she be able to use the computer? The money is not the concern. I am just worried about her and I can't do anything.   Thanks Chris
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Katya
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Need advice, posted by gutshot327 on Oct 12, 2001

I'm sorry, but this is straight out of the scammers text book. Check out the Blacklist site for many other stories like yours.

ALWAYS meet the lady in her own country first.
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thesearch
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Need advice, posted by gutshot327 on Oct 12, 2001

NEW at this to send money like this.

You are too trusting. The scammers are looking for guys just like you - JUST LIKE YOU.

Now she may be legit and this is nothing but, you are asking to be taken, you are playing Russian Roulette and it is you that is pulling the trigger without examining what is in the chamber love or greed. There are a lot of women who supplement their income this way. Times are tough - all is justified.

The good women usually do not ask for money.

I know the money is not important but, your heart is and being used can be very painful. Be careful.
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Cold Warrior
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Need advice, posted by gutshot327 on Oct 12, 2001

hang on a bit more and see if she shows up.There are many RW making a living by writing to several guys and having them send some money.If ten guys send a girl twenty dollars a month then she is rich big time.It is very difficult for a single woman to get a US visa unless she has  major business or family interests in Russia. I hope in your case this is not so.Good Luck.
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gutshot327
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Scam maybe, posted by Cold Warrior on Oct 13, 2001

Thank you for your reply.
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BubbaGump
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Need advice, posted by gutshot327 on Oct 12, 2001

Never send them any significant amount of money.  They live less than $50 a month on average so that gives you some perspective on what is a reasonable amount to send ($20 a month maybe, I'm cheap).  If any women start asking you for too much money, and several of them will, then go on to another one.  Don't buy into excessive email expenses either.  A lot of girls in big cities have access to internet cafes which are cheap.  

Always look for warning signs like: 1) asking for a lot of money (your call),  2) sick relatives,  3) too affectionate too soon or lack of sincerity, 4) communication suddenly stops with no notice or explaination,  5) you say you're going to visit and they panic or disappear,  6) form letters that have nothing to do with what you've been writing them about.

I've been trying to narrow down my selections on who to write and there were over 2000 women to look through. I am worn out.  So don't worry, you can always get backup.  There's not just more fish in the sea but a whole school of them.
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Del
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Need advice, posted by BubbaGump on Oct 13, 2001

at this level of income!
Moreover, those who "subsist" at this income level most often cannot pay flat rents and/or utilities, and therefore the community accumulates a 'debt' in this regard.
For a small family to 'live' even somewhat comfortably, one ought to consider a minimum income level of around $200.00 a month - a level few attain. And, in the larger cities, this 'basic level' would be higher.
I respectfully submit that most 'Westerners' could not last 6 months under the conditions the majority living there face! Conditions meaning level, style and type of living.
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BubbaGump
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Subsistance, NOT living..., posted by Del on Oct 13, 2001

Flats are free if your family grew up in the city.  I think they still pay utilities though.  Living expenses are higher in the large cities of course but most Russians make very little money.  In the Ukraine the salaries are even lower.  If they make more than $200 for the family they are doing well and over $400 very well.  I fully expect that if a girl marries me she will want me to send money to her family, which I would do.  These translators that work the tours make $50 a day, very big money for a Russian.

Of course we couldn't live there for $50, we're paying for everything and the flats are expensive for us to rent.  A lot of those girls never eat out at a restaurant.  One guy told me his girl said she had not eaten at a restaurant in more than a few years.  

I would set such a low limit because you don't really have a comitment from the girl until they're over here, plus they might be scamming a bunch of men.  I know $25 is very little money to us and it seems cheap, but if they only make $50 a month, it's a lot of money to them.  I don't want a girl talking to me because I send her $100 a month.

We're comfortable in the US even at an average salary but I know Russians are mostly getting by.  That standard of living differential is the big carrot motivating them to leave along with the social problems of their country.
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yoe
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Need advice, posted by BubbaGump on Oct 13, 2001

n.t
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gutshot327
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Need advice, posted by BubbaGump on Oct 13, 2001

Thank you for your info. Chris
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Quasimoto
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Need advice, posted by gutshot327 on Oct 12, 2001

I have a question for you gutshot327. I think you may be deep-6ed unless you can tell me that this woman has been to America before, and that you know that for sure. If not, then it is about a snowballs chance in hell (actually less) that she could ever come here. If you don't believe me, ask the others. It is virtually impossible for single woman under 45, without major ownership and interests in Russia to come here on any VISA except a K1.

Steve
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Ren
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to Re: Need advice, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 12, 2001

I am currently writing a young woman from Ukraine who wrote in her first letter that she had been to Florida. Of course I inquired on how she was able to do that. Apparently,her parents operate a small hotel and she made friends with a 60 and 70 yr.old brother and sister who visit yearly. Because they couldn't make it last year they invited her to visit them. She says it was easy for her to get the visa. She also says that every Ua/Russ citizen who has been to U.S. and caused no trouble can get a 3 year extension visa.
I have no reason to doubt her but I wish she gave me more details. If I ever get them I'll share with the board.

If anyone else can shed some light on how she did it I'm all ears. Could it be because her family has a small hotel. It's not hers.
Ren
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BrianN
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to contradiction, posted by Ren on Oct 13, 2001

1. Connections.
2. Money.

That can get anything done in the fsu.
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Cold Warrior
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to contradiction, posted by Ren on Oct 13, 2001

If you have a letter of invitation from a US citizen who states that they are responsable for you financially during your stay in the US.However this is at the discretion of the US embassy in Moscow.
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Quasimoto
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2001, 04:00:00 AM »
... in response to contradiction, posted by Ren on Oct 13, 2001

Yes Ren, I have heard of it happening. I think it is called "connections"!

Steve
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