... in response to Re: Yuz right Yoe!, posted by Quasimoto on Oct 14, 2001....He's got his head so far up his a** that he can't even make an intelligent statement. In fact, when has he ever? What's he even doing here? Seems for a guy who already has a piece of the action, he spends more time here than others in his situation. He spends all his time offering nothing but idiotic hyperbole, surpassing even the useless, boring, inane information that continually gushes from a certain regular here.
All he keeps mentioning over and over is how his wife cooks, cleans, gives him a clean shirt, makes the bed, etc, etc. Hey Yoe, we're all glad you found yourself a domestic slave but it's no wonder the trolls think the way they do. Sure doesn't say much about her now, does it? You both aren't helping the image any. I believe most of us are looking for something different. Besides, for all I know, your entire "experience" is a fabrication. It's not to hard to imagine, looking at your thought processes.
When are you going to learn that other people's experiences *do* relate? Your narrow viewpoint that "everyone's experiences are different" is nonsense. It's a classic example of "it won't happen to me, I'm different". Once again, it's the "all will be OK, just hope for the best" mindset, so prevalent here.
Yoe's reply to Dan shows how ignorant he really is. He only traveled briefly to the FSU. His "I never had those fears" comment is revealing. He never had those fears because he refused to accept they exist. A uneducated and foolhardy approach to a very risky endeavor. It shows he buried his head in the sand by refusing to *accept* the dangers. It's also a clear indication as to how desperate he really was.
So maybe he got lucky *this time* (he thinks so, but time will tell), but it's no way to approach things that will have so drastic an effect on your life either way. (I suspect all the other things in his life he previously failed at were approached in the same manner.)
It all boils down to reward vrs consequences. Risk management is the only way to approach dangerous business, and that means looking at what happens to others and what they did or didn't do to manage the risks. It *doesn't* mean that you place all your hopes in two individuals (you and her), on the belief the two of you are "different" than the rest who came before you and failed. The truth is, you really aren't. To ignore those who have gone before you, to assume their failures were 100 percent the fault of their own personalities or circumstances is just plain stupid and ignores much of the equation.
Some of us accept risk without reservation (not too smart), some refuse to accept any risk at all. (Also not smart.) Some, like Yoe, are simply too dense to see risk at all. Take skydiving as an example. There are those who would never do it, in spite of the safety record and data that suggests it's very safe if the risks are managed. These folks are ignorant (by definition, they simply don't know any better), so they're simply acting out of fear in refusing to participate.
Those that do participate try to learn from the mistakes of others to stay alive. If the odds were very poor of surviving, based on the experiences of others, one would not need jump even one time to "see the light". One would simply decide the risk is not worth the *consequences* (not the reward) and move on. And saying that preventing the failure automaticaly prevents the consequence is *real* wishful thinking.
This endeavor is *far* more risky than skydiving. Not from getting killed (although it's a possibility), but from what the *losses* will be if it fails. In the end, you have *NO* control over what your mate will do, no matter how nice you are, no matter how much you want it to work. At least in skydiving it's only you and the chute *you* packed.
Stop thinking of whether it will fail or not, THATS NOT THE ISSUE. Start thinking about the consequences if it does. Maybe Mongo has much to lose, maybe he's not so poor, insecure, desperate or lonely enough to decide to roll the dice in a crap shoot with those consequences, *not* with the odds of failure. Maybe he sees not only the number of failures (which I suspect are far greater than those reported here and on other boards because most men would choose to remain quiet), but the long lasting hellish consequences caused by those failures. Besides, maybe Mongo's consequences would be greater than Yoe's. I doubt Yoe has much to lose and he obviously doesn't consider it, so why should he consider anyone elses?. I know my case would certainly be different.
Geez, are some of you so hapless that you simply *must* have someone, *anyone*, in light of these risks? Has the 'ole life really gotten *that* bad? If so, a wife won't solve those issues.
Wise up: Every one who gets into this does not expect it to fail. Every couple married on this day thinks they will endure. Why? Because they put too much emphasis on themselves as individuals and not enough on the simple fact that people are the same everywhere and that people change with time. Never forget the old axiom: "You're a true individual.....just like everyone else"
The facts are this: Only those desperate enough accept bad odds. Not only odds of failure, which is bad enough in this game, but the price to be paid for that failure. And don't plead your case about the "rewards", they are way out of proportion to the risks, considering that there are *plenty* of good A/W left right here at home. (Assuming you've got what it takes to find one.) And stop blaming them, most of you played your part in past failures and anyone who thinks A/W are all that bad and R/U/W are so much better is as clueless as one could get.
The risk equation would be quite different if these women were the last girls on Earth (it seems they *are* for some of you, that's the problem) or if they were "superior" in some way. (Which they aren't, open your eyes.)
It simply comes down to what you *think* the rewards will be and this certainly seems to blind some men to the risks. If you're a poor sap living in the woods and haven't much to lose, then OK. If your a successful guy with many assets and don't need the grief, you had better look at others and not only at yourself because I got news for you: You aren't in total control of the situation and never will be. Remember this: Until you get her here and have at it for some time, the rewards are an unknown. The consequences of failure are a sure thing. Better do it right, with *much* more caution than picking one at home.
On the other hand, the failure to look inward seems to be a serious problem for many of the men involved in this game. Nuff said.
So it's got nothing to do with "seeing the light" or "leaving the darkness". It's got to do with intelligence and looking at those around you because you aren't any different than they are in most respects. Better look carefully at the past failures in your lives and what you did or didn't do to manage the risks at that time. After all, if you do what you've always done, you'll alway get the same results. Learn a new way of thinking or you're doomed to repeat your misery. After all, it's how most of you ended up here.
Stop listening to morons who have no history of success in the past, clown Yoe wouldn't be where he is today if he had any insights worth spouting. And if you seriously think he's somewhere you want to be, you've got deeper problems than *any* wife will solve.
Lastly, for those who will say the risks are identical with an A/W, thats nonsense. Why add to it with culture, lanquage, scammers, etc? I'll tell you why. It's because you've all convinced yourselves that these women want you first, that they are special in some way. Well, most want that visa first and foremost, plain and simple, and I have endless evidence of that from the horse's mouths. Maybe not, but the odds are that your's is one of them.
The funny thing to me is that, deep in your hearts, you all know it but simply shrug it off.
I say again: It isn't about the odds of failure, it's about consequences. And it's about taking unneeded risks based on whats available to you *without* taking those extra risks. I'm not saying don't get involved, I'm saying 75% of those who do are clueless and self deluded, don't be one of them.
Maybe it's because I manage risk for a living. Maybe it's because I've endless training in managing risk and that hundreds of lives depend on the successful outcome of how well I do it, but I just can't see doing things Yoe's way. Consequence vrs reward, plain and simple.
Good luck to you Mongo, you're a smart man. The R/W "fad" all these guys are into will soon fade for you and when you look back you'll laugh at how clouded your thinking was. BTW, you're right about me, I'm gonna quit, in spite of having found two great girls over there. I believe they would've been fine, but why take the chance when I don't *have* to?
That seems to be the issue, no matter what many of these guys say, most of them *do* have to, and they know it. Me, I decided to get one localy, a beautiful young thing from another country, already living here. No muss, no fuss, easy to do. A bird in the hand....
BTW, my friend was gonna do the other guy in and he would've suffered the consequences just like the last guy near here whos Ukrainian bride started cheating on him with a local R/M. As soon as she got here she started and everyone said he was the nicest guy around who went through hell trying to please her. He's dead now, shot by the police after she pushed him too far. He screwed up, because he should've put a couple into her first.
But hey, this could *never* happen to any of you though, right?
Whats that you say? A/W do this too? Sure, but you think the effect on you will be the same, considering travel, time, money, visa, etc? The A/W was already here, the R/W used you in ways the A/W never could. Trust me, you've never been screwed until you've been screwed by a R/W.
There's some pretty sad folks hangin round here these days, it's gotten worse over the last month. Most of the intelligent people have disappeared and we're left with a bunch of misfits, like Yoe, stroking each other in an endless cycle of self delusion. It's no wonder this board has become the laughing stock of others.
BTW Yoe, if you weren't such a space cadet, you would know that *my* world *does* revolve around me, just like your's revolves around you. I frankly could care less about whether the rest of the world revolves around me or not. And yeah, I feel *much* better, at least I can rant with the best of 'em.
Frankly, I've never seen so brainwashed a group, a real cult mentality.
Kee-rist, next it'll be poisoned cool-aid or waiting for the Mother Ship
to arrive.
